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Maybe it means separately and not the combined toughness, but I have no clue.

yeah, negates weapons.

my question is the negate applied seperately to each term or is weapons under the umbrella of ec's (negate sa's on ec's with toughness X or less, negate sa's on weapons with toughness X or less OR negate sa's on ec's with toughness X or less and the weapons on those ec's as well).

do you have a link to that thread? im surprised i never saw that nor questioned it myself.

SK is correct. The parentheses are necessary to avoid the interpretation that he negates all EC's regardless of X, but only weapons with toughness X or less.

James negates EC's with toughness less than X, and weapons with toughness less than X.

Job specifically says "abilities"
Job (Pi)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 6 / 12 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect Job from discard and capture abilities. • Play As: Protect Job from discard abilities and capture abilities. • Identifiers: OT Male Human • Verse: Job 2:3 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

*sigh*  Why do I even post anymore?

*sigh*  Why do I even post anymore?

I'm wrong all the time, I just roll with the punches and get confidence boosts from the "Browarod is correct" quotes.

LOL @ MKChief. You're so mean.

Quote from: SomeKittens on August 05, 2011, 11:57:02 AM

Job specifically says "abilities"
Job (Pi)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 6 / 12 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect Job from discard and capture abilities. • Play As: Protect Job from discard abilities and capture abilities. • Identifiers: OT Male Human • Verse: Job 2:3 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

Actually, that's the play as, which is incorrect. Job just says "discard" so it has been ruled that he's protected from game rule discards as well as abilities.

Actually, the Elders took this exact question to Rob, and he ruled that Job is not protected from discard by numbers.  http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/job-question/msg397021/#msg397021

That is outdated.

As far as I know, the thread jmhartz linked to is the most current ruling.

Well, I sit corrected yet again. Looks like I'm pulling "SomeKittens" left and right, lol.

This does bring up another question, though. Since apparently the lack of "abilities" after discard doesn't necessarily mean anything in the Priests set, does that mean High Priest's Palace does NOT protect from discard by game rule either? Because if it does then that would be a glaring inconsistency.

Wait, what? So protection doesn't protect from numbers now? I thought there was just a big to-do about the official ruling being the opposite...

Wait, what? So protection doesn't protect from numbers now? I thought there was just a big to-do about the official ruling being the opposite...

What made you come to that conclusion?  No one here claimed it to be so, Browarod asked a question because he was confused.

(let's try and make this 2-1...)  Since Job says "capture abilities" the word abilities applies to all protects on the card (a la Reach of Desperation's "may" applying individually to all three abilities).  HPP doesn't say abilities. 

"May" has specifically been ruled to apply to all abilities listed with an "and", does this mean that "abilities" is considered to have a similar, overarching ruling? I wasn't aware that it did, but I guess I wouldn't be surprised.

Quote from: SomeKittens on August 05, 2011, 11:57:02 AM

Job specifically says "abilities"
Job (Pi)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 6 / 12 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect Job from discard and capture abilities. • Play As: Protect Job from discard abilities and capture abilities. • Identifiers: OT Male Human • Verse: Job 2:3 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

Actually, that's the play as, which is incorrect. Job just says "discard" so it has been ruled that he's protected from game rule discards as well as abilities.

Woah, so Job is protected from the numbers?

Quote from: browarod on August 05, 2011, 10:00:14 PM

Quote from: SomeKittens on August 05, 2011, 11:57:02 AM

Job specifically says "abilities"
Job (Pi)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 6 / 12 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect Job from discard and capture abilities. • Play As: Protect Job from discard abilities and capture abilities. • Identifiers: OT Male Human • Verse: Job 2:3 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

Actually, that's the play as, which is incorrect. Job just says "discard" so it has been ruled that he's protected from game rule discards as well as abilities.

Woah, so Job is protected from the numbers?

Only if you don't read the rest of the thread.