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Anti Meta Defensive thoughts
« on: February 26, 2019, 01:58:26 PM »
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Is anyone else thinking that the hardcore anti-meta defense is going to be built around

Jezebel
KoT (PoC)
Foreign Wives
Lot's Wife
The Deciever
The God of this World
Priest of Zeus
Gates of Hell

I mean just those characters and Gates are going to kick around the green prophets  . . if they can get out fast enough

I also like the the crimson bear against the meta since it has to be discarded and lots of the green winners, withdraw, remove, shuffle

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Re: Anti Meta Defensive thoughts
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2019, 02:15:19 PM »
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The god of This World and PoZ are an anticombo though   :(

Plus, TgoTW makes it so you lose Unity for [Edited by R.O.S.E.S], which you will definitely want to be running.
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2019, 02:15:39 PM »
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Absolutely! And don't forget [EDITED BY R.O.S.E.S.]. Oh wait, we haven't shown that Evil Character yet.
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Re: Anti Meta Defensive thoughts
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2019, 02:29:05 PM »
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This is what it takes to beat Green Prophets.

Confusion of Mind
Covenant with Death
Moses (CoW)
Nazareth
Golden Calf

Even then, you might need to get a little lucky to pull out a 5-4 win...  ::)
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Re: Anti Meta Defensive thoughts
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2019, 02:53:10 PM »
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This is what it takes to beat Green Prophets.

Confusion of Mind
Covenant with Death
Moses (CoW)
Nazareth
Golden Calf

Even then, you might need to get a little lucky to pull out a 5-4 win...  ::)

Guys, c'mon, clearly we need to be running Lamentation of Rachel



...although I will say, Jezebel + Overtaken would be legit.  GG Isaiah/Zeke
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2019, 02:55:42 PM »
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Don't think I haven't thought about building a Syrian defense with Naaman and Lamentation of Rachel... ;)
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Re: Anti Meta Defensive thoughts
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2019, 03:02:51 PM »
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Don't think I haven't thought about building a Syrian defense with Naaman and Lamentation of Rachel... ;)

LoR in reserve with wages in deck might not be a bad choice
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Re: Anti Meta Defensive thoughts
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2019, 04:09:02 PM »
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This is what it takes to beat Green Prophets.

Confusion of Mind
Covenant with Death
Moses (CoW)
Nazareth
Golden Calf

Even then, you might need to get a little lucky to pull out a 5-4 win...  ::)
You don't need Golden Calf, but yeah, I can vouch that that works. Not sure about having to get lucky though...  ???
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Re: Anti Meta Defensive thoughts
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2019, 04:18:52 PM »
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This is what it takes to beat Green Prophets.

Confusion of Mind
Covenant with Death
Moses (CoW)
Nazareth
Golden Calf

Even then, you might need to get a little lucky to pull out a 5-4 win...  ::)
You don't need Golden Calf, but yeah, I can vouch that that works. Not sure about having to get lucky though...  ???

But how to deal with Moses (CoW) and Nazarath in your own deck in order not to restrict yourself?

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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2019, 04:24:38 PM »
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You don't need Golden Calf, but yeah, I can vouch that that works. Not sure about having to get lucky though...  ???

I mean there was one critical turn of LS drought... ::)

Golden Calf just provides more consistency of getting one of those counters early on.  :P
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Re: Anti Meta Defensive thoughts
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2019, 04:25:56 PM »
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This is what it takes to beat Green Prophets.

Confusion of Mind
Covenant with Death
Moses (CoW)
Nazareth
Golden Calf

Even then, you might need to get a little lucky to pull out a 5-4 win...  ::)
You don't need Golden Calf, but yeah, I can vouch that that works. Not sure about having to get lucky though...  ???

But how to deal with Moses (CoW) and Nazarath in your own deck in order not to restrict yourself?

Play a deck that can utilize territory class cloud cards and in-battle speed special abilities for Moses and for Nazareth play a deck that naturally gets most of it's extra cards through drawing, recursion, or Reserve access than straight up deck searches. Also remember it's ok to play cards that get stopped by your own counters since A. you don't need to entirely not care about your own counters you just need them to hurt the opponent more than you and B. the opponent is going to try and negate or remove your counters and once they do you'll be able to go back to playing territory class stuff and searching just like the opponent except now they've spent resources to remove the counters so they've still generated value.

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Re: Anti Meta Defensive thoughts
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2019, 10:06:21 PM »
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Don't think I haven't thought about building a Syrian defense with Naaman and Lamentation of Rachel... ;)

I don't think I know Lamentation of Rachel off the top of my head. Is it a new card or am I missing an old one?

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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2019, 10:45:21 PM »
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It's a card from Women that discards all Green brigade Heroes in play.  8)
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2019, 11:27:53 PM »
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Now replying to the actual OP, I'm not a fan of either Jezebel or Foreign Wives. Jezebel I don't see being worth it even in reserve specifically for the prophet matchup since I've tried to build decks with characters who could win battles on their own many times before and the opponent just interrupts and kills your character 99% of the time. If she could shoot a prophet for free I'd probably put her in my Reserve but she still costs a card to use so IMO she's straight up subpar and I can't imagine any deck or meta that I'd run her in. Foreign Wives I've become much less of a fan of very quickly. Too much speed is in a form other than drawing these days and even if I get the auto-block I've just put 7 brigades in play that almost every deck will punish in some way (at the very least with Babel). I have it in the Reserve for a couple decks that have poor Reserve options and plenty of space but it hasn't been in any decklist that I've considered running in a major tournament this year.

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Re: Anti Meta Defensive thoughts
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2019, 11:33:07 PM »
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Am I missing something with Prophets? They don't seem to be just exceptional.
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2019, 11:38:47 PM »
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Am I missing something with Prophets? They don't seem to be just exceptional.

Green is just solid overall right now. It has some nice synergy cards, consistency, Reserve access, nice enhancements, etc. There's just a lot of ways to throw green cards together and end up with a deck that performs consistently and runs over outdated or unoptimized decks which makes it feel really strong. I would be surprised if this year's Nats winner is mono green but I would also be surprised if this years Nats winner doesn't run any green.

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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2019, 02:13:17 AM »
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Am I missing something with Prophets? They don't seem to be just exceptional.

See now you saying this just makes me want to come down for your tournament and roll the field with my Green Prophets deck, but alas I'm running my own tournament... :P
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2019, 07:57:19 AM »
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Am I missing something with Prophets? They don't seem to be just exceptional.

See now you saying this just makes me want to come down for your tournament and roll the field with my Green Prophets deck, but alas I'm running my own tournament... :P

The funny part is that Justin is so talented I’m pretty sure he could “roll the field” at most tournaments with a pre-EC deacons offense if he wanted to. I’m not saying that green prophets aren’t great. But the measuring stick may be a little skewed.  ;) 8) :o ::)
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2019, 10:24:47 AM »
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Now now, let's not get too carried away...sounds like there's going to be several top players at the Win A Box tournament. While I feel that my experience, knowledge of the game and dedication to deck testing give me a chance to win any tournament I enter, I would never go so far as to guarantee a first place finish... my "roll the field" comment was tongue in cheek since Green Prophets haven't rolled the field in a long long time.  ::)

I'm just truly excited because I think there are many, many different themes viable to the point where they can contend at the highest level tournaments, and I can say for certain that Green Prophets will be among the best options.  :thumbup:
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2019, 01:18:24 PM »
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I also see green prophets as nearly unbeatable high-flyer ATM since they also utilise star cards more than every other deck concept could do! This in addition to the alread above mentioned advantages makes them to that nearly unbeatable high-flyer concept.

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2019, 02:12:03 PM »
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It's sad that Judean Mediums (in Reserve) is almost required in defenses nowadays. That said, Reserve evil cards are shot by Green's STAR cards, so there's almost no point in relying on anything in Reserve anymore...

Honestly, this kind of small defense crumbles if the Green gets even a remotely decent draw. Green is now stacked with interrupts aplenty, not even mentioning anything forthcoming (First Sacrifice is Samuel's Edict but better, for some reason?). You're basically hoping to have the better Dom matchup; ie hope the Green doesn't have Grapes or CoF to extend the battle if you decide to block and win, hope you have CM for Ezekiel or Isaiah at the right time (or hope they don't draw their plethora of CBN Enhancements), hope you don't get hit with Cherubim or Elisha when you have a few evil Doms in hand, and hope you're able to do all of that around Jonah and/or Habbakuk.

It's all doable, of course, but it's a pain. And considering most decks should be running the Orphans LS, I wouldn't rely on Bear a lick (not to mention Zeke kills Bear CBN with both his Enhancements, with no effort). Unless you have Love and no one runs Orphans.
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2019, 02:31:23 PM »
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It's all doable, of course, but it's a pain. And considering most decks should be running the Orphans LS, I wouldn't rely on Bear a lick (not to mention Zeke kills Bear CBN with both his Enhancements, with no effort). Unless you have Love and no one runs Orphans.

So, Carebear with soul negation? Seems doable, if a little difficult. FBTN Lost Soul, Woes, and Moses help there (Though Moses means no love. Hmm)

It's a card from Women that discards all Green brigade Heroes in play.  8)
Assuming the offense is at least somewhat red, I feel like this can hit some of your better heroes (Samuel or Mighty Warrior, depending on your deck style) as well. Though I suppose that's a price to pay for wiping out your opponent's offense.

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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2019, 02:40:20 PM »
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First Sacrifice

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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2019, 02:53:38 PM »
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ANB is good. Change my mind.

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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2019, 03:39:33 PM »
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First Sacrifice


inb4 edited by R.O.S.E.S.?


That one was spoiled on LoR on Monday.


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