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Disciples + Philistine Deck
« on: January 18, 2019, 07:16:26 PM »
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Made a bunch of edits to try and make it stronger.  I decided to forego Out of Bethlehem and Betrayal because what I would be pulling from Reserve I didn't want to miss out on them because I am planning to do so much drawing not at beginning of turn.  Am I correct that there really isn't much reserve access for disciples and philistines?

56 Cards Total

Lost Souls (7)
Site Search and Occupy
Angel Wars Hero Withdraw => Underdeck
Draw 1 when Rescued
Resurrect Hero when Rescued
Prevent Draw
Dominant => Underdeck
Rescued => Shuffle NT

Dominants (6)
Son of God
New Jerusalem
Angel of the Lord
Christian Martyr
Strife
Shipwreck

Fortress/Site/City (4)
Fishing Boat
Philistine Outpost
Ashkelon
Patmos

Artifacts (4)
Four Drachma Coin
Wash Basin
Altar of Dagon
Golden Cherubim
I Am Creator

Heroes (11, all Purple)
Peter (I Deck)
Andrew (I Deck)
James (I Deck)
John (I Deck)
Philip
Bartholomew
Thaddeus
James, Son of Alphaeus
Matthew
Simon the Zealot
Thomas

Good Enhancements (10, all purple)
Great Faith
Eve's Descendant
Passover Hymn
Authority of Christ (promo)
A New Commandment
My Lord and My God
Reach of Desperation
You are the Christ
Authority of Peter
Fishers of Men

Evil Characters (7)
Philistine Armor Bearer
Goliath (promo)
Philistine Garrison
Ishbebinob (I deck)
Saph (I deck)
12 Fingered Giant
King Achish

Evil Enhancements (6)
Bringing Fear
Ishbebinob's Spear
Ishbebinob's Sword
Lahmi's Spear
Overwhelmed by Philistines
Philistine Chariot and Horses
« Last Edit: February 07, 2019, 07:34:51 PM by Sean »
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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2019, 10:06:59 PM »
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Looks like a good start for sure. For the initial deck, my biggest comment would be that you probably have too many good enhancements and not enough ECs to have reliable draws/blocks each turn.

For the Hero Enhancements, I would take out either Walking on Water or Passover Hymn (likely the former) and sons of thunder.  For Philistines, cards I would consider adding to help with your ECs are Philistine Outpost, Devouring Philistines, King Achish, Philistine Diviner’s, Fallen Warrior (more likely if Philistine Outpost goes in), or Delilah.

Possible adds/edits for the future could be:

The Ends of the Earth (Additional Speed and getting out numerous GEs)
Reach of Desperation (same as above + play AOCP)
Swap Faith as Mustard for Eve’s Descendant(POC) (Functionally similar without NT limitation and adds star ability)
The Wages of Sin (and throw some of the evil cards with discard ability in a Reserve)
Start a Reserve
Abandonment (EC) and/or Scattered Sheep (POC) could be essential for FBTN banding
Paying Taxes (likely reserve card to grab with Wages if needed)
Joseph in Prison (can be a great block at times and mean when played on Saph)
For lost souls, I would probably try a typical NT lineup (Gain (ROJ), Imitate (ROJ), Humble (ROJ), Dull (COW), Lawless (COW), Crowds (Promo)) and then probably Prosperity (FOM)

That’s all I have for now. Hope it helps to get you thinking about options. I know there are a ton more out there too and others will be giving input as well.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2019, 10:28:00 AM by goalieking87 »

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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2019, 11:18:48 PM »
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War (RoJ) would be a good addition for the defense. It can grab three of the evil enhancements, and recur the spears every turn. It's so useful just as a short character who can grab weapons from basically anywhere.

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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2019, 06:35:43 PM »
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If you're building this off mostly starter decks, I don't know why you wouldn't run Vain Philosophy. Cut a GE for it (probably Walking on Water).

Delilah seems great. Cut a GE for her (A New Commandment).

Get a copy of Black/Gold Outsiders (RoJ common Evil Character) and trade a GE for it (Sent Two by Two).

Get a copy of 12-Fingered Giant (Faith Fathers Tin card) and trade a GE for it (Sons of Thunder).

Get a copy of Reach of Desperation and trade a GE for it (Miraculous Catch).

Get some cheap LS with abilities (Shuffler, NT only, etc) and swap the generics for those.

-These should all be easy enough to accomplish for a 'beginner' deck.
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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2019, 08:40:47 PM »
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If you're building this off mostly starter decks, I don't know why you wouldn't run Vain Philosophy. Cut a GE for it (probably Walking on Water).

Delilah seems great. Cut a GE for her (A New Commandment).

Get a copy of Black/Gold Outsiders (RoJ common Evil Character) and trade a GE for it (Sent Two by Two).

Get a copy of 12-Fingered Giant (Faith Fathers Tin card) and trade a GE for it (Sons of Thunder).

Get a copy of Reach of Desperation and trade a GE for it (Miraculous Catch).

Get some cheap LS with abilities (Shuffler, NT only, etc) and swap the generics for those.

-These should all be easy enough to accomplish for a 'beginner' deck.

Sean, most of these should be in the cards i sent you.

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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2019, 09:37:22 AM »
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Appreciate the feed back! 

Can you please explain why you are recommending the additions and the removals?
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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2019, 09:48:00 AM »
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Appreciate the feed back! 

Can you please explain why you are recommending the additions and the removals?

It appears he cut your weaker GEs (since 12 is generally too many) in order to add some strong ECs so the deck is more balanced.
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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2019, 01:50:24 PM »
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OK, I know I have a lot of those cards so I will revise and return for more advice!

OK, I remember why I didn't include some of those cards.

Vain Philosphy - doesn't directly help win a battle and looks super creepy
Delilah - only 3 toughness and I want to add Crown of Thorns, also didn't feel like I needed a small EC with the type of defense this is
Reach of Desperation - I didn't think I had it but I will check again.

Can anyone tell if there are cards that can help get Fishing Boat out quicker?  Also, are there any Sites that would help Philistines?   


« Last Edit: January 22, 2019, 02:34:48 PM by Sean »
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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2019, 08:31:47 PM »
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OK, I know I have a lot of those cards so I will revise and return for more advice!

OK, I remember why I didn't include some of those cards.

Vain Philosophy - doesn't directly help win a battle and looks super creepy
Delilah - only 3 toughness and I want to add Crown of Thorns, also didn't feel like I needed a small EC with the type of defense this is
Reach of Desperation - I didn't think I had it but I will check again.

Can anyone tell if there are cards that can help get Fishing Boat out quicker?  Also, are there any Sites that would help Philistines?   


Vain Philosophy can get rid of SoG/AotL/a battle-winner from your opponent's hand before a battle, and can sometimes count as a free block.
Delilah is great because she can band to any male EC. Which means she can band to your opponent's ECs, which helps protect from Angel of the Lord.

You could fit Reverence and Awe (CoW) into the deck somewhere if you have it to tutor Fishing Boat. As far as Philistine Sites, Ashkelon is sorta a Philistine site, but the fortress Philistine Outpost (TxP) is much more worth running. Discarding Armorbearer or Garrison from deck to search discard pile for them and put them in your territory is great. That said, if you have space and can get the card, Altar of Dagon (FoM) is great to counter the great weaknesses of Philistines (AotL).

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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2019, 10:59:57 AM »
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Made some updates for the Lost Souls and a couple of the other recommendations.

What does Ashkelon do?  Is it a Site?

I think I have Altar of Dagon

Also, can someone tell me the nicknames for the Lost Souls?
« Last Edit: January 23, 2019, 11:02:40 AM by Sean »
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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2019, 12:06:14 PM »
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Site Search and Occupy
Angel Wars Hero Withdraw => Underdeck
Draw 1 when Rescued
Resurrect Hero when Rescued
Prevent Draw
Dominant => Underdeck
Rescued => Shuffle NT

"Far Country" (if it's the Luke 15:13 one)
"Withdraw"
"Rejoice"
"Resurrection"
"Pigs"
"Shut Door"
"Beggar"

Ashkelon is a City from the Fall of Man set.

Altar of Dagon was reprinted in the Fall of Man set--not sure if the one you have might be the old one from Patriarchs.
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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2019, 05:55:40 PM »
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Would Patmos be helpful for this deck?  I was thinking that I could use the Lost Soul that protects my EC in territory from the color but Patmos is multicolor so that won't work.

Would it be advantageous for me to put Altar of Dagon and Ashkelon in Reserve and put Out of Bethlehem and Betrayel in deck?

Also, what about adding I Am Creator and Shipwreck?

Would Temple of Dagon be helpful? (I'd have to trade for it as I don't think I have it)
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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2019, 06:30:48 PM »
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Patmos is great cause it's basically a free disciple. I'd recommend it just in general.

I'm not as sure about Out of Bethlehem, as it's not the best enhancement option, but Betrayal is great. It wins a lot of battles in my experience.

I am Creator is powerful, and certainly helps for those times where you need a hero and you just can't draw one. Shipwreck is good and worth running especially since you have space. If you have it, I may even add in Destruction of Nehushtan from Patriarchs instead of Strife. Being able to kill a You Will Remain is so good.

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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2019, 06:46:31 PM »
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I was thinking Out of Bethlehem because it can pull Ashkelon from Reserve but I also have space to go up to 56 in the deck itself and only other reserve pulling card would be Betrayal.  So I might just forgo the reserve pulling cards and not use a reserve at all.  Not sure if that is more or less helpful?

I don't have DoN at this point.
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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2019, 10:26:57 PM »
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Re: Disciples + Philistine Deck
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2019, 07:35:13 PM »
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Made a bunch of edits to try and make it stronger.  I decided to forego Out of Bethlehem and Betrayal because what I would be pulling from Reserve I didn't want to miss out on them because I am planning to do so much drawing not at beginning of turn.  Am I correct that there really isn't much reserve access for disciples and philistines?
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