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2) The religious people of Jesus' day were all about the "letter of the law" as seen in Jesus' sermon on the mount. They knew who Jesus was and believed they would not be guilty of his murder if they had someone else carry it out.
And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.I and my Father are one.Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
1) Prophecy had to be fulfilled. There are multiple prophecies about the Messiah suffering in the form of crucifixion.
They knew who Jesus was and believed they would not be guilty of his murder if they had someone else carry it out.
If the High Priests were able to execute people on their own as with the adulterous woman (forgot her name) and Stephen, then why did they need Pilate to have Jesus executed?
They knew who Jesus was and believed they would not be Quoteguilty of his murder if they had someone else carry it out.Do you believe that the Priests and the Scribes actually knew Jesus was the Christ?
guilty of his murder if they had someone else carry it out.
They even believed that he would rise again on the third day and posted a guard to try to prevent it from happening.
Whether or not you agree with that assessment isn't really the point. They certainly knew he was a prophet from God and didn't want his blood on their hands.
I don't have any sources but I remmeber talking about something like this in my theology class. I am pretty sure the pharisees had to abide by roman law for all death penalties and therefore could not use the OT law quite as liberally. As for the Women being stoned this was probably a back alley transaction that the Romans had know knowledge about. My guess is that they went to the Romans because if they would have killed Jesus in secret, well there would be no secret because he had to many followers. The Romans would find out and assume they were trying to undermine there authority.
It seemed to have more to do with the following Jesus had gathered by that point. The Triumphal Entry meant a huge crowd, eagerly following Him in the capital city of the Jewish nation during a holy week. I think they needed it to be a Roman execution in order to win and hold the crowd.
Quote from: Gabe on April 24, 2011, 04:15:35 PMThey even believed that he would rise again on the third day and posted a guard to try to prevent it from happening.No, they posted the guard to prevent his followers from stealing the body then saying he rose from the dead.
Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
Surely some of them did. But he was not the "military leader Christ" that would free them from Roman rule which is what they wanted.
Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet. Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee? Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was? So there was a division among the people because of him. And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him.Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived? Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him? But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.Nicodemus saith unto them, (he that came to Jesus by night, being one of them,) Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.
I am not convinced that they knew Jesus was the Christ precisely because he did not look like what they expected the Christ to look like (i.e., a conquering triumphal king). So many times people expect God to look one way that they miss His appearance because He is not what they expected.
I think that going to the Romans makes the slaying seem more legit. Obviously, they felt ok to do some killing on their own without Rome, but by getting Rome to execute him, they could unite the various Judean factions against Jesus - the pharisees, saduccees, and herodians.
The thing is the Jews hated the Romans more than Jesus
This is the reason I almost never post on this type of topic or in this forum.
Quote from: Gabe on April 24, 2011, 06:33:54 PMThis is the reason I almost never post on this type of topic or in this forum. Sorry.
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Could the religious leaders actually get away with murdering Jesus under Roman law?
In addition, having the Romans kill Jesus would keep their hands clean of the deed, thus looking good in the publics eyes. Many respected Jesus as a Rabbi. They kill Him, it looks bad, the Romans kill Him, and they can welcome back the misguided with welcome arms.