Author Topic: What are you going to be for halloween? (Read 20215 times)

New Raven BR · « **Reply #50 on:** October 14, 2009, 06:24:16 PM »

if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?

The Guardian · « **Reply #51 on:** October 14, 2009, 06:51:01 PM »

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Christmas and Easter are never mentioned in scripture either, and their roots are far more pagan in nature than Halloween, yet you still celebrate them as 'christian holidays.'

You and I may know this, but what about my non-Christian neighbor down the street?

I'm not saying it's necessarily right, but society has chosen to deem Christmas and Easter as "christian holidays" and Halloween as a "not so much Christian" holiday.

Personally, I feel there's good things about all of those holidays as well as some things that aren't so great.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #52 on:** October 14, 2009, 08:10:08 PM »

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Personally, I feel there's good things about all of those holidays as well as some things that aren't so great.

This quote wins the thread, as it will win any similar thread about how Christian something is.

Locutus · « **Reply #53 on:** October 14, 2009, 08:21:48 PM »

To answer the original question, my family has a home-made pizza and movie night, and our church has something for the kids, which includes all kinds of games and activities. Even our town's fire department comes out and the kids can tour the fire trucks! As a family, we don't pay any homage to Halloween itself, but we provide our kids with an healthy alternative.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #54 on:** October 14, 2009, 08:32:35 PM »

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You and I may know this, but what about my non-Christian neighbor down the street?

I mean, unless you're just like... really American (a.k.a. "really uneducated), you'd probably know that Easter is a Christian holiday; I mean, it's the most important day of the Christian holidays. Also, just from the etymology, you'd probably figure out that "Christmas" is a Christian holiday; you'd also notice this if you listened to half of the Christmas songs. St. Patrick and Good Friday seems pretty obvious too.

Halloween, I suppose, has been forgotten after the fall of Christendom. American (a.k.a. "uneducated") Protestants have bashed this holiday into the ground, calling it completely pagan.

Quote from: New Raven BR on October 14, 2009, 06:24:16 PM

if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?

Because they killed Jesus.

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So who exactly gets to make the decision of what's a 'Christian Holiday'?

The days were moved to the same days as pagan holidays to keep the pagans from celebrating those holidays. Obviously, the Church Fathers chose (the same guys who picked out what's in your Bible).

The Warrior · « **Reply #55 on:** October 14, 2009, 08:38:33 PM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on October 14, 2009, 08:32:35 PM

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You and I may know this, but what about my non-Christian neighbor down the street?
I mean, unless you're just like... really American (a.k.a. "really uneducated), you'd probably know that Easter is a Christian holiday; I mean, it's the most important day of the Christian holidays. Also, just from the etymology, you'd probably figure out that "Christmas" is a Christian holiday; you'd also notice this if you listened to half of the Christmas songs. St. Patrick and Good Friday seems pretty obvious too.

Halloween, I suppose, has been forgotten after the fall of Christendom. American (a.k.a. "uneducated") Protestants have bashed this holiday into the ground, calling it completely pagan.
Quote from: New Raven BR on October 14, 2009, 06:24:16 PM
if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?
Because they killed Jesus.
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So who exactly gets to make the decision of what's a 'Christian Holiday'?
The days were moved to the same days as pagan holidays to keep the pagans from celebrating those holidays. Obviously, the Church Fathers chose (the same guys who picked out what's in your Bible).

What are you going to be for halloween?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #56 on:** October 14, 2009, 08:40:14 PM »

A philosopher. Nothing scarier.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #57 on:** October 14, 2009, 08:44:04 PM »

Quote from: The Warrior on October 14, 2009, 08:38:33 PM

Quote from: Colin Michael on October 14, 2009, 08:32:35 PM
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You and I may know this, but what about my non-Christian neighbor down the street?
I mean, unless you're just like... really American (a.k.a. "really uneducated), you'd probably know that Easter is a Christian holiday; I mean, it's the most important day of the Christian holidays. Also, just from the etymology, you'd probably figure out that "Christmas" is a Christian holiday; you'd also notice this if you listened to half of the Christmas songs. St. Patrick and Good Friday seems pretty obvious too.

Halloween, I suppose, has been forgotten after the fall of Christendom. American (a.k.a. "uneducated") Protestants have bashed this holiday into the ground, calling it completely pagan.
Quote from: New Raven BR on October 14, 2009, 06:24:16 PM
if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?
Because they killed Jesus.
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So who exactly gets to make the decision of what's a 'Christian Holiday'?
The days were moved to the same days as pagan holidays to keep the pagans from celebrating those holidays. Obviously, the Church Fathers chose (the same guys who picked out what's in your Bible).
What are you going to be for halloween?

I don't know, Irish?

drb1200 · « **Reply #58 on:** October 14, 2009, 09:05:44 PM »

Quote from: Arch Angel on October 14, 2009, 06:14:53 PM

Quote from: drb1200 on October 14, 2009, 03:28:39 PM
The bible says nothing of Halloween. When did the "Christians" start celebrating this wonderful day of dressing up as freakish demonic witches, monsters, and devils? To say that it is the "celebration of the resurrection of the dead" is a made-up statement trying to justify something that has horrific origins involving child sacrifice, demon worship, and burning.
I don't celebrate Halloween, but I did want to comment on this.

Christmas and Easter are never mentioned in scripture either, and their roots are far more pagan in nature than Halloween, yet you still celebrate them as 'christian holidays.' So who exactly gets to make the decision of what's a 'Christian Holiday'? Obviously not the god we worship, or else we'd be celebrating the Holy Days that HE laid out and not our own inventions and mutilations.

Was that directed at me? I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter, or any other holdiday except St. Patricks day, labour day, Thanksgiving, and the Holy Days.

Quote from: New Raven BR on October 14, 2009, 06:24:16 PM

if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?

I actually just got back home from the Feast of Tabernacles.

Quote from: Colin Michael on October 14, 2009, 08:32:35 PM

Quote from: New Raven BR on October 14, 2009, 06:24:16 PM
if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?
Because they killed Jesus.

Caiaphas killed Jesus. Besides, those holy days are not Jewish. They were laid out by YHWH himself.

I am now going to hate anything German now because Hitler killed people.

New Raven BR · « **Reply #59 on:** October 14, 2009, 09:16:43 PM »

i'm party german, does that mean you hate me?

Colin Michael · « **Reply #60 on:** October 14, 2009, 09:29:28 PM »

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Was that directed at me? I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter, or any other holdiday except St. Patricks day, labour day, Thanksgiving, and the Holy Days.

Then why do you call yourself a Christian (assuming that you do)?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #61 on:** October 14, 2009, 10:15:26 PM »

Quote from: drb1200 on October 14, 2009, 09:05:44 PM

Was that directed at me? I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter, or any other holdiday except St. Patricks day, labour day, Thanksgiving, and the Holy Days.

My post was directed at you, but you did not respond. You do play Redemption, don't you? That would indicate that you play with demons, witches and monsters. I would suppose, from your post, that you are not "Christian."

FYI, the picture I posted of my children and I dressed for Halloween was taken in the parking lot of First Baptist Church in Kissimmee. Yes, I actually had the audacity to practice my pagan dress-up rituals during their Harvest Party.

Shofarblower · « **Reply #62 on:** October 14, 2009, 10:49:20 PM »

I have to respond based on Colin's recent posts in this thread. You refer to us as "really uneducated", when it seems to be you who are the uneducated one here. You have alot of book knowledge. Yes a Jew spearheaded the crucifiction of Jesus (Yeshua). However, the point you fail to observe is that, without the crucifixion, you would not even have a chance of knowing the man who was crucified. Everyone of the Deciples were Jews and Paul himself was from the tribe of Benjamin (which resides in the hous of Judah) therefore making him a Jew. Paul also stated that we become part of the Hose of Israel through Messiah and therefore fall under the prophecy in Ezekiel 37 of the two sticks, where Ephraim (representing Israel) is joined to Judah at the end days. I have not celebrated Christmas, Easter or any other "Christian" holidays in 6 years because they all have roots in paganism and with very little exception fall at the wrong time of year to celebrate the events they are supposed to represent.

Easter.. The worship of the Pagan fertility goddess Ishtar...Celebrated after the vernal equinox by slaughtering infants and dyeing eggs in thier blood.

Christmas.. The worship of Tammuz or any other pagan sun god.. Always celebrated on Dec.25 as the birth of the sun god. In Egypt, they would erect and decorate trees to represent the genitalia of Ra the sun god. In Jeremiah chapter 10 the "christmas tree" is perfectly described and forbidden. Also incorporated in this festival was the worship of Molech who was depicted as a bronze statue holding a large kettle or pot in his lap. The worshipers would come on the 25 th of Dec. with lists of the desires they had for the coming year and pile them at the feet of the statue. They would then light the pile on fire until the statue glowed red. Then, they placed child sacrifices alive in the kettle and allow them to burn.

Lev 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

So lets all take our lists to Santa and let our children scream bloody murder while they sit on the fat guys lap so we can get those "precious memories" on film.

Deu 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

Basically I am saying (and yes I do keep all the Festivals of the LORD {YHVH} commanded in Leviticus 23), if God says not to do something, why do we try and justify it by any means? I went trick or treating as a kid. I am not evil because of it. I had alot more fun at the feast of Tabernacles last week though. I celebrated Christmas and Easter, I also found out that you can use Scripture (in much too detailed a scenario than I can present here) to pinpoint the birth of Messiah to the Feast of Tabernacles. Also, why does Easter fall before Passover a large percentage of the time? How can He rise a month before He died?

Scripture (even Paul) supports the celebration of the festivals that God gave us in the begining. Jesus was born at Tabernacles, died on Passover, buried on Unleavened Bread (1st day of is implied), arose on Firstfruits, and the Holy Spirit descended on Pentecost. That only leaves two more Festivals, Trumpets (1Thess 4:16) and Atonement (the Judgement of mankind). Paul said in Col. 2 that the Holy Days (Feasts of The LORD) were shadows of things to come. I challenge everyone to learn about these feasts and guarantee you that you will at least double your knowledge of scripture if you learn them whole heartedly and seek the truth regarding them.

I hope I haven't lost friends, but, Messiah said I would have to leave Father, Mother, Sister and Brother to follow Him.

Shofarblower · « **Reply #63 on:** October 14, 2009, 10:54:23 PM »

I want to clarify that I do not judge anyone for their choices. If you choose to dress up for Halloween or whatever you want to call it, decorate your christmas trees and do santa claus and the easter bunny, that is your choice. Just please don't criticize those who choose to follow every aspect of scripture they can, and humbly not participate in these events. Calling someone not Christian because they don't celebrate christmas is wrong and you would have to apply that to Christ as He celebrated Hannukah.....

Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
Joh 10:23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

New Raven BR · « **Reply #64 on:** October 14, 2009, 10:55:18 PM »

wow, that's a mouthful O_O

lightningninja · « **Reply #65 on:** October 15, 2009, 12:17:22 AM »

Wait... Colin and shofarblower... you guys are saying that Christmas is a pagan holiday? Or at least has pagan roots? Are you kidding me?

No matter what you want to believe or what non-Christians want to make of it, Easter is celebrating the resurrection of Christ. And Christmas is celebrating the birth of Christ. That's how they originated. Were they the "exact" day that the real thing happened? Heck, I don't know I don't think our calender was even the exact same thing (I might be wrong on this). I celebrate my birthday NEVER on my real birthday... if my friend came up and said,"dude, this birthday is like a mockery and I refuse to celebrate it because it's not the real date," I'd be like... okay......

Come on guys, seriously? Christmas is a pagan holiday? Please tell me you're joking.

As for Halloween... no one responded to my post about the origins of the two most popular things that people talk about; trick or treating and the actual name. I'd like a response.

New Raven BR · « **Reply #66 on:** October 15, 2009, 12:21:20 AM »

i personally agree with ya LN
idk why we're all being idiots and arguing something as dumb as telling what holiday is what.
let's just celebrate christmas,easter, and halloween the way they were meant to be celebrated which is the same reason as thanksgiving, to bring families closer together and in a christian point of veiw, to also have fellowship with one another.aren't these the reasons for holidays in the first place?

lightningninja · « **Reply #67 on:** October 15, 2009, 12:22:58 AM »

Uhm... not for Halloween. Halloween was NOT made to bring families together... that I'm sure.

Also, Christians made their own holiday on the same day because they wanted candy too and didn't want to miss out on the fun. I'd rather sacrifice some fun that participate in a holiday that even originated with demonic origins.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #68 on:** October 15, 2009, 12:32:39 AM »

Quote from: lightningninja on October 15, 2009, 12:17:22 AM

Come on guys, seriously? Christmas is a pagan holiday? Please tell me you're joking.

I don't joke about theology. They're both pagan immensely in roots and current traditions and practices as well. Haven't you ever wondered about wreaths and trees and eggs and even halos? Research it before you say it can't be. If anything, Halloween is slightly less pagan now than Christmas and Easter are, though their origins are all generally disrespectful.

Master KChief · « **Reply #69 on:** October 15, 2009, 01:00:57 AM »

Quote from: lightningninja on October 15, 2009, 12:17:22 AM

Wait... Colin and shofarblower... you guys are saying that Christmas is a pagan holiday? Or at least has pagan roots? Are you kidding me?

No matter what you want to believe or what non-Christians want to make of it, Easter is celebrating the resurrection of Christ. And Christmas is celebrating the birth of Christ. That's how they originated. Were they the "exact" day that the real thing happened? Heck, I don't know I don't think our calender was even the exact same thing (I might be wrong on this). I celebrate my birthday NEVER on my real birthday... if my friend came up and said,"dude, this birthday is like a mockery and I refuse to celebrate it because it's not the real date," I'd be like... okay......

Come on guys, seriously? Christmas is a pagan holiday? Please tell me you're joking.

As for Halloween... no one responded to my post about the origins of the two most popular things that people talk about; trick or treating and the actual name. I'd like a response.

its a well-known fact by experts that christmas and easter are indeed based off pagan holidays. as someone mentioned before, christians made them the same date as the pagan holidays to induce change. it obviously worked.

lightningninja · « **Reply #70 on:** October 15, 2009, 01:03:42 AM »

So then what are the origins? If not Christ's birth and ressurection?

Colin Michael · « **Reply #71 on:** October 15, 2009, 01:52:50 AM »

Quote from: Shofarblower on October 14, 2009, 10:49:20 PM

I have to respond based on Colin's recent posts in this thread. You refer to us as "really uneducated", when it seems to be you who are the uneducated one here. You have alot of book knowledge. Yes a Jew spearheaded the crucifiction of Jesus (Yeshua). However, the point you fail to observe is that, without the crucifixion, you would not even have a chance of knowing the man who was crucified. Everyone of the Deciples were Jews and Paul himself was from the tribe of Benjamin (which resides in the hous of Judah) therefore making him a Jew. Paul also stated that we become part of the Hose of Israel through Messiah and therefore fall under the prophecy in Ezekiel 37 of the two sticks, where Ephraim (representing Israel) is joined to Judah at the end days. I have not celebrated Christmas, Easter or any other "Christian" holidays in 6 years because they all have roots in paganism and with very little exception fall at the wrong time of year to celebrate the events they are supposed to represent.

Easter.. The worship of the Pagan fertility goddess Ishtar...Celebrated after the vernal equinox by slaughtering infants and dyeing eggs in thier blood.

Christmas.. The worship of Tammuz or any other pagan sun god.. Always celebrated on Dec.25 as the birth of the sun god. In Egypt, they would erect and decorate trees to represent the genitalia of Ra the sun god. In Jeremiah chapter 10 the "christmas tree" is perfectly described and forbidden. Also incorporated in this festival was the worship of Molech who was depicted as a bronze statue holding a large kettle or pot in his lap. The worshipers would come on the 25 th of Dec. with lists of the desires they had for the coming year and pile them at the feet of the statue. They would then light the pile on fire until the statue glowed red. Then, they placed child sacrifices alive in the kettle and allow them to burn.

Lev 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

So lets all take our lists to Santa and let our children scream bloody murder while they sit on the fat guys lap so we can get those "precious memories" on film.

Deu 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

Basically I am saying (and yes I do keep all the Festivals of the LORD {YHVH} commanded in Leviticus 23), if God says not to do something, why do we try and justify it by any means? I went trick or treating as a kid. I am not evil because of it. I had alot more fun at the feast of Tabernacles last week though. I celebrated Christmas and Easter, I also found out that you can use Scripture (in much too detailed a scenario than I can present here) to pinpoint the birth of Messiah to the Feast of Tabernacles. Also, why does Easter fall before Passover a large percentage of the time? How can He rise a month before He died?

Scripture (even Paul) supports the celebration of the festivals that God gave us in the begining. Jesus was born at Tabernacles, died on Passover, buried on Unleavened Bread (1st day of is implied), arose on Firstfruits, and the Holy Spirit descended on Pentecost. That only leaves two more Festivals, Trumpets (1Thess 4:16) and Atonement (the Judgement of mankind). Paul said in Col. 2 that the Holy Days (Feasts of The LORD) were shadows of things to come. I challenge everyone to learn about these feasts and guarantee you that you will at least double your knowledge of scripture if you learn them whole heartedly and seek the truth regarding them.

I hope I haven't lost friends, but, Messiah said I would have to leave Father, Mother, Sister and Brother to follow Him.

EBENEEZER!!!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding, I respect your views as I do respect the views of the LDS, though I think them misguided and not Christian.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #72 on:** October 15, 2009, 02:41:10 AM »

If the Gospel isn't about renewal and redemption, what is it about? You mentioned trees, but have you ever heard the story of St. Boniface? If things that started out evil could never become good, where would we be? Should we throw out everything that has pagan roots?

No more hotels, because the first hotels were whorehouses.

No more parades, because the first parades were conducted by conquering pagan armies.

No more skyscrapers, because the first skyscraper was the Tower of Babel.

If you carry your argument to it's logical conclusion, it's obviously silly. So why do you cling to it so?

Shofarblower · « **Reply #73 on:** October 15, 2009, 08:27:06 AM »

I simply refer to scripture

Deu 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

If God said not to take the pagan things and do them for Him, then let's not do that.

As for Colin, saying that my views aren't Christian. I would say that I feel as though my relationship with Christ has become greater over the last 6 years than it did over the previous 16 years that I claimed to be a Christian. Even my Christian family who do not embrace my views of scripture say that they notice this. I feel that you need to realize what the term "Christian" means. If we are to be "Christ Like" shouldn't we look at the things Christ did and said and aspire to do that in our lives? I suggest that you cannot find any scriptural reference for anyone (especially Christ) celebrating Christmas, when I gave you a clear reference of Him celebrating Hannukah at the Temple in Jerusalem. There is no celebration of Easter, the actual festival for the ressurection was Firstfruits, where Messiah became (in the words of Paul) the "Firstruits of the Dead". Why celebrate holidays that we know are wrong, when we can know the correct ones.

The Gospel is about Restoration, the Restoration of this world to the way God intended it to be (see the Garden of Eden).

The reason for me "clinging" to scripture is found in

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

and in

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Mal 3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #74 on:** October 15, 2009, 09:06:33 AM »

None of those verses provided seem to support your point.

I think holidays are whatever we make them. I didn't even know the origins of holidays like Halloween, Christmas, and Easter until about three years ago, and many adults today still don't. I never felt like I was worshipping the devil or sinning in any way when I dressed up like a vampire and went to parties with my friends, or gave my grandma a clay pot that I made in art class, or searched through my house for chocolate eggs. No matter what Christmas used to be, right now it is celebrated as the birth day of Jesus. It's the spirit of the holiday that matters, not its origins.

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Author Topic: What are you going to be for halloween? (Read 20215 times)

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