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Title: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: jtay on October 08, 2009, 06:28:49 PM
So some people at my church are having a halloween party this year, and I've been trying to think up good costume ideas.  I'm starting early, because I hate throwing together last minute costumes.  I think I've narrowed mine down to a couple of options: 1) Weird Al as the white and nerdy guy, or 2) a question mark block from Super Mario.  I'll probably go with the first choice since I don't think I really want to go through all the trouble to paint a refrigerator box for the second choice.

What are your plans?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on October 08, 2009, 06:29:57 PM
Myself.  I know, it's probably too scary.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on October 08, 2009, 06:40:21 PM
I'm going to dress up as one of my friends, and go over to his house and pretend to be him.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Smokey on October 08, 2009, 06:40:46 PM
Waldo, come find me  ;D.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: CMO Falcon on October 08, 2009, 06:45:38 PM
Working.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Isildur on October 08, 2009, 06:53:51 PM
Im going to wear a name tag that says Hi My Name is Dave
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on October 08, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
I'm going to stick with being Commander Riker since I paid so much for the official uniform.  ;)

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi535.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee360%2Ftimrebeccajoshua%2FLegoland098.jpg&hash=399b4d4dbd8c8446c800b5258c51261df89af194)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Master KChief on October 08, 2009, 08:39:40 PM
wow, thats like eerily dead-on...
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: BubbleBoy on October 08, 2009, 08:41:11 PM
I'm going to be a marshmallow, since all I have to do is wear a white shirt.

And yes, that was a fat joke on myself.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: browarod on October 08, 2009, 08:42:00 PM
Holy wow! YMT, that is like epic.

Where did you get the uniform?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Ryupeco11 on October 08, 2009, 09:29:00 PM
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2) a question mark block from Super Mario.
you should sooooooooooo do this one ofcorse i may be a bit bias since I went to otakon as super mario and i'll prolly just be him for holloween since I already have the outfit. ^_^
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on October 08, 2009, 09:34:19 PM
Where did you get the uniform?

eBay
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Paladin on October 08, 2009, 10:09:17 PM
If I actually had an official storm trooper suit.....well, I think you understand.

To bad I don't tricker treet.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: xCaLeBx on October 08, 2009, 10:15:40 PM
me.....thats scary enough ;)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Professoralstad on October 09, 2009, 02:48:08 PM
I don't think I'll ever be able to outdo myself from last year...I was a Rubik's Cube...It was awesome.

This year I'll just be a Golden Gopher fan, as there's a football game Halloween night.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on October 09, 2009, 02:48:56 PM
I don't think I'll ever be able to outdo myself from last year...I was a Rubik's Cube...It was awesome.

Pics or it didn't happen.  ;)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Ben Wilk on October 09, 2009, 02:49:41 PM
I have no idea who i am.







Get it?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Professoralstad on October 09, 2009, 02:53:52 PM
Pics or it didn't happen.  ;)

So I know this will sound fishy, but I had a pic on my phone...then my phone died before I sent it anywhere else. You can ask The Guardian though...he saw it.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: The Guardian on October 10, 2009, 01:36:00 AM
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You can ask The Guardian though...he saw it.

I have no idea what you're talking about... ::)

Just kidding, it was a pretty good costume. Didn't Mom or Joey take any pictures of you?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Lurch on October 10, 2009, 09:28:17 AM
well, you could not dress up at all and go as Mr. Right:) last year i did two face, and it worked out pretty well(people would see the clean side of my face, turn away, and then see the other. it was great). this year i found some massive fake lips, and i was thinking about borrowing some baby dolls and going as the octomom:)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 10, 2009, 11:26:23 AM
I'm going to go as a demon and a witch.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: xCaLeBx on October 10, 2009, 12:56:43 PM
you do have the hair down already  ;D
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: DDiceRC on October 10, 2009, 01:18:53 PM
For Halloween I'm going to be a Redemption demo guy, since we're having a Redemption tournament/demo at my church that day.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: JSB23 on October 10, 2009, 03:20:26 PM
Pics or it didn't happen.  ;)

So I know this will sound fishy, but I had a pic on my phone...then my phone died before I sent it anywhere else. You can ask The Guardian though...he saw it.
I saw it too... that was an awesome costume
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Gil Galad Elven King *Generic on October 12, 2009, 05:32:13 PM
Me and my wife are throwing a party at our house for Halloween, and I decided on my outfit just last night.... I am going to go as a very famous plumber! There are only a few famous plumbers in the world, so it shouldn't be too hard to figure out which one.  My outfit will be completely home made too, and I will be sure and post some pictures..... if it looks good!
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on October 12, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
Will your wife be wearing a peach-colored outfit?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on October 12, 2009, 05:37:03 PM
What does peach have to do with Joe the Plumber? :S
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Paladin on October 12, 2009, 06:35:27 PM
Dude, Mario is a plumber...Peach is sorta his lady friend.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 12, 2009, 06:55:51 PM
I'm going to go as a demon and a witch.
That's certainly appropriate for a Christian holiday.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 12, 2009, 07:02:59 PM
Finally someone comments XD
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: BubbleBoy on October 12, 2009, 10:12:41 PM
If I dressed up as Mario, I would look like I just ate a mushroom.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Smokey on October 12, 2009, 10:17:22 PM
If I dressed up as Mario, I would look like I just ate a mushroom.

Wins the thread.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Gil Galad Elven King *Generic on October 13, 2009, 05:11:06 PM
Will your wife be wearing a peach-colored outfit?

Probably not, she hasn't quite decided on her outfit yet...

If I dressed up as Mario, I would look like I just ate a mushroom.

I "would" look like I ate a whole plate of mushrooms..... that just happened to be mixed in with sphaghetti sauce that was poured over noodles and topped off with some delicious Parmesan cheese!
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: lightningninja on October 13, 2009, 05:22:47 PM
I don't participate in the day of the dead. So I'll go as a Christian and stay at home.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: batman6768 on October 13, 2009, 06:08:28 PM
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I "would" look like I ate a whole plate of mushrooms.....


that is some intense trippin'.    :police:
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on October 13, 2009, 06:16:23 PM
I don't participate in the day of the dead. So I'll go as a Christian and stay at home.

I'm just going to walk around my neighborhood on October 31st and collect food donations.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Lampy 2.0 on October 13, 2009, 06:23:42 PM
If I can get my costume ordered in time for Halloween, I will Spider-Man. (Woohoo! ;D) And this is the red and blue suit.

Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 13, 2009, 07:25:07 PM
I don't participate in the day of the dead. So I'll go as a Christian and stay at home.
Halloween is a Christian holiday celebrating the resurrection of the dead.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: xCaLeBx on October 13, 2009, 07:32:47 PM
I don't participate in the day of the dead. So I'll go as a Christian and stay at home.

I'm just going to walk around my neighborhood on October 31st and collect food donations.
excellent way of looking at it  ;D
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Arch Angel on October 13, 2009, 07:42:37 PM
Halloween is a Christian holiday celebrating the resurrection of the dead.
More accurately it's the evening before All Saints Day and was never really a holiday itself until a bit after its origins.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 13, 2009, 07:48:04 PM
Halloween is a Christian holiday celebrating the resurrection of the dead.
More accurately it's the evening before All Saints Day and was never really a holiday itself until a bit after its origins.
But it is still, however, a Christian holiday.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on October 13, 2009, 07:57:30 PM
But it is still, however, a Christian holiday.

Easter is a Christian holiday, but lightningninja can still choose to not run through the field and collect candy-filled easter eggs.  ;)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: drb1200 on October 13, 2009, 08:25:03 PM
I don't participate in the day of the dead. So I'll go as a Christian and stay at home.
Halloween is a Christian holiday celebrating the resurrection of the dead.
I hate this time of year just for the threads and posts.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: lightningninja on October 13, 2009, 09:25:14 PM
Halloween is a Christian holiday celebrating the resurrection of the dead.
More accurately it's the evening before All Saints Day and was never really a holiday itself until a bit after its origins.
But it is still, however, a Christian holiday.
Uhm... no it's not. Halloween originated NOT even close to a Christian holiday. In fact, many of the origins have to do with demons and spirits. I'll try to get concrete facts soon.

Two things I know are the name and the origin of "trick or treat." The name started with demonic stuff. I don't know the exact information on that, wikipedia does a good job explaining the origin of the name. The classic "trick or treat" that everyone says originated with demonic spirits; if the people wouldn't leave the spirits treats they would haunt then, hence the term "trick or treat."

Going from house to house getting candy is celebrating halloween. You can make yourself feel good by saying "food donations," but if you and your family are dressing up and going from house to house, or even going to a few houses, you're celebrating the holiday and taking part in it.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 13, 2009, 10:33:37 PM
I have no problem taking part in All Hallows' Eve.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 14, 2009, 02:05:52 PM
Halloween is a Christian holiday celebrating the resurrection of the dead.
More accurately it's the evening before All Saints Day and was never really a holiday itself until a bit after its origins.
But it is still, however, a Christian holiday.
Uhm... no it's not. Halloween originated NOT even close to a Christian holiday. In fact, many of the origins have to do with demons and spirits. I'll try to get concrete facts soon.
You're thinking of the Celtic festival of the harvest. The Church moved halloween and easter to days of Celtic festivals, basically so that the Celts would celebrate the Christian festivals instead of the pagan festivals.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: drb1200 on October 14, 2009, 03:28:39 PM
The bible says nothing of Halloween. When did the "Christians" start celebrating this wonderful day of dressing up as freakish demonic witches, monsters, and devils? To say that it is the "celebration of the resurrection of the dead" is a made-up statement trying to justify something that has horrific origins involving child sacrifice, demon worship, and burning.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 14, 2009, 04:38:40 PM
A five second google search for "All Hallows' Eve" or "All Saints' Day" will answer your questions.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on October 14, 2009, 05:32:17 PM
The bible says nothing of Halloween.

The Bible doesn't say anything about collectible card games, yet here we are anyway.


When did the "Christians" start celebrating this wonderful day of dressing up as freakish demonic witches, monsters, and devils?

My daughter dresses up like Snow White. My son dresses up like a Clone Trooper. I dress up like Commander Riker.

You, on the other hand, play a card game that has demons, witches and monsters (beasts).
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Arch Angel on October 14, 2009, 06:14:53 PM
The bible says nothing of Halloween. When did the "Christians" start celebrating this wonderful day of dressing up as freakish demonic witches, monsters, and devils? To say that it is the "celebration of the resurrection of the dead" is a made-up statement trying to justify something that has horrific origins involving child sacrifice, demon worship, and burning.
I don't celebrate Halloween, but I did want to comment on this.

Christmas and Easter are never mentioned in scripture either, and their roots are far more pagan in nature than Halloween, yet you still celebrate them as 'christian holidays.' So who exactly gets to make the decision of what's a 'Christian Holiday'? Obviously not the god we worship, or else we'd be celebrating the Holy Days that HE laid out and not our own inventions and mutilations.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: New Raven BR on October 14, 2009, 06:24:16 PM
if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: The Guardian on October 14, 2009, 06:51:01 PM
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Christmas and Easter are never mentioned in scripture either, and their roots are far more pagan in nature than Halloween, yet you still celebrate them as 'christian holidays.'

You and I may know this, but what about my non-Christian neighbor down the street?

I'm not saying it's necessarily right, but society has chosen to deem Christmas and Easter as "christian holidays" and Halloween as a "not so much Christian" holiday.

Personally, I feel there's good things about all of those holidays as well as some things that aren't so great.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 14, 2009, 08:10:08 PM
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Personally, I feel there's good things about all of those holidays as well as some things that aren't so great.
This quote wins the thread, as it will win any similar thread about how Christian something is.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Locutus on October 14, 2009, 08:21:48 PM
To answer the original question, my family has a home-made pizza and movie night, and our church has something for the kids, which includes all kinds of games and activities.  Even our town's fire department comes out and the kids can tour the fire trucks!  As a family, we don't pay any homage to Halloween itself, but we provide our kids with an healthy alternative.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 14, 2009, 08:32:35 PM
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You and I may know this, but what about my non-Christian neighbor down the street?
I mean, unless you're just like... really American (a.k.a. "really uneducated), you'd probably know that Easter is a Christian holiday; I mean, it's the most important day of the Christian holidays. Also, just from the etymology, you'd probably figure out that "Christmas" is a Christian holiday; you'd also notice this if you listened to half of the Christmas songs. St. Patrick and Good Friday seems pretty obvious too.

Halloween, I suppose, has been forgotten after the fall of Christendom. American (a.k.a. "uneducated") Protestants have bashed this holiday into the ground, calling it completely pagan.
if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?
Because they killed Jesus.
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So who exactly gets to make the decision of what's a 'Christian Holiday'?
The days were moved to the same days as pagan holidays to keep the pagans from celebrating those holidays. Obviously, the Church Fathers chose (the same guys who picked out what's in your Bible).
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: The Warrior on October 14, 2009, 08:38:33 PM
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You and I may know this, but what about my non-Christian neighbor down the street?
I mean, unless you're just like... really American (a.k.a. "really uneducated), you'd probably know that Easter is a Christian holiday; I mean, it's the most important day of the Christian holidays. Also, just from the etymology, you'd probably figure out that "Christmas" is a Christian holiday; you'd also notice this if you listened to half of the Christmas songs. St. Patrick and Good Friday seems pretty obvious too.

Halloween, I suppose, has been forgotten after the fall of Christendom. American (a.k.a. "uneducated") Protestants have bashed this holiday into the ground, calling it completely pagan.
if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?
Because they killed Jesus.
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So who exactly gets to make the decision of what's a 'Christian Holiday'?
The days were moved to the same days as pagan holidays to keep the pagans from celebrating those holidays. Obviously, the Church Fathers chose (the same guys who picked out what's in your Bible).
What are you going to be for halloween?  :)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 14, 2009, 08:40:14 PM
A philosopher. Nothing scarier.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 14, 2009, 08:44:04 PM
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You and I may know this, but what about my non-Christian neighbor down the street?
I mean, unless you're just like... really American (a.k.a. "really uneducated), you'd probably know that Easter is a Christian holiday; I mean, it's the most important day of the Christian holidays. Also, just from the etymology, you'd probably figure out that "Christmas" is a Christian holiday; you'd also notice this if you listened to half of the Christmas songs. St. Patrick and Good Friday seems pretty obvious too.

Halloween, I suppose, has been forgotten after the fall of Christendom. American (a.k.a. "uneducated") Protestants have bashed this holiday into the ground, calling it completely pagan.
if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?
Because they killed Jesus.
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So who exactly gets to make the decision of what's a 'Christian Holiday'?
The days were moved to the same days as pagan holidays to keep the pagans from celebrating those holidays. Obviously, the Church Fathers chose (the same guys who picked out what's in your Bible).
What are you going to be for halloween?  :)
I don't know, Irish?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: drb1200 on October 14, 2009, 09:05:44 PM
The bible says nothing of Halloween. When did the "Christians" start celebrating this wonderful day of dressing up as freakish demonic witches, monsters, and devils? To say that it is the "celebration of the resurrection of the dead" is a made-up statement trying to justify something that has horrific origins involving child sacrifice, demon worship, and burning.
I don't celebrate Halloween, but I did want to comment on this.

Christmas and Easter are never mentioned in scripture either, and their roots are far more pagan in nature than Halloween, yet you still celebrate them as 'christian holidays.' So who exactly gets to make the decision of what's a 'Christian Holiday'? Obviously not the god we worship, or else we'd be celebrating the Holy Days that HE laid out and not our own inventions and mutilations.
Was that directed at me? I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter, or any other holdiday except St. Patricks day, labour day, Thanksgiving, and the Holy Days.

if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?
I actually just got back home from the Feast of Tabernacles.

if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?
Because they killed Jesus.
Caiaphas killed Jesus. Besides, those holy days are not Jewish. They were laid out by YHWH himself.

I am now going to hate anything German now because Hitler killed people.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: New Raven BR on October 14, 2009, 09:16:43 PM
i'm party german, does that mean you hate me?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 14, 2009, 09:29:28 PM
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Was that directed at me? I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter, or any other holdiday except St. Patricks day, labour day, Thanksgiving, and the Holy Days.
Then why do you call yourself a Christian (assuming that you do)?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on October 14, 2009, 10:15:26 PM
Was that directed at me? I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter, or any other holdiday except St. Patricks day, labour day, Thanksgiving, and the Holy Days.

My post was directed at you, but you did not respond. You do play Redemption, don't you? That would indicate that you play with demons, witches and monsters. I would suppose, from your post, that you are not "Christian."

FYI, the picture I posted of my children and I dressed for Halloween was taken in the parking lot of First Baptist Church in Kissimmee. Yes, I actually had the audacity to practice my pagan dress-up rituals during their Harvest Party.  :maul:
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Shofarblower on October 14, 2009, 10:49:20 PM
I have to respond based on Colin's recent posts in this thread. You refer to us as "really uneducated", when it seems to be you who are the uneducated one here. You have alot of book knowledge. Yes a Jew spearheaded the crucifiction of Jesus (Yeshua). However, the point you fail to observe is that, without the crucifixion, you would not even have a chance of knowing the man who was crucified. Everyone of the Deciples were Jews and Paul himself was from the tribe of Benjamin (which resides in the hous of Judah) therefore making him a Jew. Paul also stated that we become part of the Hose of Israel through Messiah and therefore fall under the prophecy in Ezekiel 37 of the two sticks, where Ephraim (representing Israel) is joined to Judah at the end days. I have not celebrated Christmas, Easter or any other "Christian" holidays in 6 years because they all have roots in paganism and with very little exception fall at the wrong time of year to celebrate the events they are supposed to represent.

Easter.. The worship of the Pagan fertility goddess Ishtar...Celebrated after the vernal equinox by slaughtering infants and dyeing eggs in thier blood.

Christmas.. The worship of Tammuz or any other pagan sun god.. Always celebrated on Dec.25 as the birth of the sun god. In Egypt, they would erect and decorate trees to represent the genitalia of Ra the sun god. In Jeremiah chapter 10 the "christmas tree" is perfectly described and forbidden. Also incorporated in this festival was the worship of Molech who was depicted as a bronze statue holding a large kettle or pot in his lap. The worshipers would come on the 25 th of Dec. with lists of the desires they had for the coming year and pile them at the feet of the statue. They would then light the pile on fire until the statue glowed red. Then, they placed child sacrifices alive in the kettle and allow them to burn.

Lev 18:21  And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

So lets all take our lists to Santa and let our children scream bloody murder while they sit on the fat guys lap so we can get those "precious memories" on film.

Deu 12:30  Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31  Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

Basically I am saying (and yes I do keep all the Festivals of the LORD {YHVH} commanded in Leviticus 23), if God says not to do something, why do we try and justify it by any means? I went trick or treating as a kid. I am not evil because of it. I had alot more fun at the feast of Tabernacles last week though. I celebrated Christmas and Easter, I also found out that you can use Scripture (in much too detailed a scenario than I can present here) to pinpoint the birth of Messiah to the Feast of Tabernacles. Also, why does Easter fall before Passover a large percentage of the time? How can He rise a month before He died?

Scripture (even Paul) supports the celebration of the festivals that God gave us in the begining. Jesus was born at Tabernacles, died on Passover, buried on Unleavened Bread (1st day of is implied), arose on Firstfruits, and the Holy Spirit descended on Pentecost. That only leaves two more Festivals, Trumpets (1Thess 4:16) and Atonement (the Judgement of mankind). Paul said in Col. 2 that the Holy Days (Feasts of The LORD) were shadows of things to come. I challenge everyone to learn about these feasts and guarantee you that you will at least double your knowledge of scripture if you learn them whole heartedly and seek the truth regarding them.

I hope I haven't lost friends, but, Messiah said I would have to leave Father, Mother, Sister and Brother to follow Him.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Shofarblower on October 14, 2009, 10:54:23 PM
I want to clarify that I do not judge anyone for their choices. If you choose to dress up for Halloween or whatever you want to call it, decorate your christmas trees and do santa claus and the easter bunny, that is your choice. Just please don't criticize those who choose to follow every aspect of scripture they can, and humbly not participate in these events. Calling someone not Christian because they don't celebrate christmas is wrong and you would have to apply that to Christ as He celebrated Hannukah.....


Joh 10:22  And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
Joh 10:23  And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: New Raven BR on October 14, 2009, 10:55:18 PM
wow, that's a mouthful O_O
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: lightningninja on October 15, 2009, 12:17:22 AM
Wait... Colin and shofarblower... you guys are saying that Christmas is a pagan holiday? Or at least has pagan roots? Are you kidding me?

No matter what you want to believe or what non-Christians want to make of it, Easter is celebrating the resurrection of Christ. And Christmas is celebrating the birth of Christ. That's how they originated. Were they the "exact" day that the real thing happened? Heck, I don't know I don't think our calender was even the exact same thing (I might be wrong on this). I celebrate my birthday NEVER on my real birthday... if my friend came up and said,"dude, this birthday is like a mockery and I refuse to celebrate it because it's not the real date," I'd be like... okay...... :scratch:

Come on guys, seriously? Christmas is a pagan holiday? Please tell me you're joking.

As for Halloween... no one responded to my post about the origins of the two most popular things that people talk about; trick or treating and the actual name. I'd like a response.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: New Raven BR on October 15, 2009, 12:21:20 AM
i personally agree with ya LN
idk why we're all being idiots and arguing something as dumb as telling what holiday is what.
let's just celebrate christmas,easter, and halloween the way they were meant to be celebrated which is the same reason as thanksgiving, to bring families closer together and in a christian point of veiw, to also have fellowship with one another.aren't these the reasons for holidays in the first place?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: lightningninja on October 15, 2009, 12:22:58 AM
Uhm... not for Halloween. Halloween was NOT made to bring families together... that I'm sure.  ;D

Also, Christians made their own holiday on the same day because they wanted candy too and didn't want to miss out on the fun. I'd rather sacrifice some fun that participate in a holiday that even originated with demonic origins.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Arch Angel on October 15, 2009, 12:32:39 AM
Come on guys, seriously? Christmas is a pagan holiday? Please tell me you're joking.
I don't joke about theology. They're both pagan immensely in roots and current traditions and practices as well. Haven't you ever wondered about wreaths and trees and eggs and even halos? Research it before you say it can't be. If anything, Halloween is slightly less pagan now than Christmas and Easter are, though their origins are all generally disrespectful.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Master KChief on October 15, 2009, 01:00:57 AM
Wait... Colin and shofarblower... you guys are saying that Christmas is a pagan holiday? Or at least has pagan roots? Are you kidding me?

No matter what you want to believe or what non-Christians want to make of it, Easter is celebrating the resurrection of Christ. And Christmas is celebrating the birth of Christ. That's how they originated. Were they the "exact" day that the real thing happened? Heck, I don't know I don't think our calender was even the exact same thing (I might be wrong on this). I celebrate my birthday NEVER on my real birthday... if my friend came up and said,"dude, this birthday is like a mockery and I refuse to celebrate it because it's not the real date," I'd be like... okay...... :scratch:

Come on guys, seriously? Christmas is a pagan holiday? Please tell me you're joking.

As for Halloween... no one responded to my post about the origins of the two most popular things that people talk about; trick or treating and the actual name. I'd like a response.

its a well-known fact by experts that christmas and easter are indeed based off pagan holidays. as someone mentioned before, christians made them the same date as the pagan holidays to induce change. it obviously worked.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: lightningninja on October 15, 2009, 01:03:42 AM
So then what are the origins? If not Christ's birth and ressurection?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 15, 2009, 01:52:50 AM
I have to respond based on Colin's recent posts in this thread. You refer to us as "really uneducated", when it seems to be you who are the uneducated one here. You have alot of book knowledge. Yes a Jew spearheaded the crucifiction of Jesus (Yeshua). However, the point you fail to observe is that, without the crucifixion, you would not even have a chance of knowing the man who was crucified. Everyone of the Deciples were Jews and Paul himself was from the tribe of Benjamin (which resides in the hous of Judah) therefore making him a Jew. Paul also stated that we become part of the Hose of Israel through Messiah and therefore fall under the prophecy in Ezekiel 37 of the two sticks, where Ephraim (representing Israel) is joined to Judah at the end days. I have not celebrated Christmas, Easter or any other "Christian" holidays in 6 years because they all have roots in paganism and with very little exception fall at the wrong time of year to celebrate the events they are supposed to represent.

Easter.. The worship of the Pagan fertility goddess Ishtar...Celebrated after the vernal equinox by slaughtering infants and dyeing eggs in thier blood.

Christmas.. The worship of Tammuz or any other pagan sun god.. Always celebrated on Dec.25 as the birth of the sun god. In Egypt, they would erect and decorate trees to represent the genitalia of Ra the sun god. In Jeremiah chapter 10 the "christmas tree" is perfectly described and forbidden. Also incorporated in this festival was the worship of Molech who was depicted as a bronze statue holding a large kettle or pot in his lap. The worshipers would come on the 25 th of Dec. with lists of the desires they had for the coming year and pile them at the feet of the statue. They would then light the pile on fire until the statue glowed red. Then, they placed child sacrifices alive in the kettle and allow them to burn.

Lev 18:21  And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

So lets all take our lists to Santa and let our children scream bloody murder while they sit on the fat guys lap so we can get those "precious memories" on film.

Deu 12:30  Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31  Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

Basically I am saying (and yes I do keep all the Festivals of the LORD {YHVH} commanded in Leviticus 23), if God says not to do something, why do we try and justify it by any means? I went trick or treating as a kid. I am not evil because of it. I had alot more fun at the feast of Tabernacles last week though. I celebrated Christmas and Easter, I also found out that you can use Scripture (in much too detailed a scenario than I can present here) to pinpoint the birth of Messiah to the Feast of Tabernacles. Also, why does Easter fall before Passover a large percentage of the time? How can He rise a month before He died?

Scripture (even Paul) supports the celebration of the festivals that God gave us in the begining. Jesus was born at Tabernacles, died on Passover, buried on Unleavened Bread (1st day of is implied), arose on Firstfruits, and the Holy Spirit descended on Pentecost. That only leaves two more Festivals, Trumpets (1Thess 4:16) and Atonement (the Judgement of mankind). Paul said in Col. 2 that the Holy Days (Feasts of The LORD) were shadows of things to come. I challenge everyone to learn about these feasts and guarantee you that you will at least double your knowledge of scripture if you learn them whole heartedly and seek the truth regarding them.

I hope I haven't lost friends, but, Messiah said I would have to leave Father, Mother, Sister and Brother to follow Him.
EBENEEZER!!!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding, I respect your views as I do respect the views of the LDS, though I think them misguided and not Christian.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 15, 2009, 02:41:10 AM
If the Gospel isn't about renewal and redemption, what is it about? You mentioned trees, but have you ever heard the story of St. Boniface? If things that started out evil could never become good, where would we be? Should we throw out everything that has pagan roots?

No more hotels, because the first hotels were whorehouses.

No more parades, because the first parades were conducted by conquering pagan armies.

No more skyscrapers, because the first skyscraper was the Tower of Babel.

If you carry your argument to it's logical conclusion, it's obviously silly. So why do you cling to it so?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Shofarblower on October 15, 2009, 08:27:06 AM
I simply refer to scripture

Deu 12:30  Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31  Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.


If God said not to take the pagan things and do them for Him, then let's not do that.

As for Colin, saying that my views aren't Christian. I would say that I feel as though my relationship with Christ has become greater over the last 6 years than it did over the previous 16 years that I claimed to be a Christian. Even my Christian family who do not embrace my views of scripture say that they notice this. I feel that you need to realize what the term "Christian" means. If we are to be "Christ Like" shouldn't we look at the things Christ did and said and aspire to do that in our lives? I suggest that you cannot find any scriptural reference for anyone (especially Christ) celebrating Christmas, when I gave you a clear reference of Him celebrating Hannukah at the Temple in Jerusalem. There is no celebration of Easter, the actual festival for the ressurection was Firstfruits, where Messiah became (in the words of Paul) the "Firstruits of the Dead". Why celebrate holidays that we know are wrong, when we can know the correct ones.

The Gospel is about Restoration, the Restoration of this world to the way God intended it to be (see the Garden of Eden).

The reason for me "clinging" to scripture is found in

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
 
and in

Mal 3:6  For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Mal 3:7  Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: BubbleBoy on October 15, 2009, 09:06:33 AM
None of those verses provided seem to support your point.

I think holidays are whatever we make them. I didn't even know the origins of holidays like Halloween, Christmas, and Easter until about three years ago, and many adults today still don't. I never felt like I was worshipping the devil or sinning in any way when I dressed up like a vampire and went to parties with my friends, or gave my grandma a clay pot that I made in art class, or searched through my house for chocolate eggs. No matter what Christmas used to be, right now it is celebrated as the birth day of Jesus. It's the spirit of the holiday that matters, not its origins.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 15, 2009, 11:44:03 AM
Did you guys know that March 25 used to be the start of the Christian New Year?

You should be able to figure out why without looking it up.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Shofarblower on October 15, 2009, 12:56:05 PM
None of those verses provided seem to support your point.

I think holidays are whatever we make them. I didn't even know the origins of holidays like Halloween, Christmas, and Easter until about three years ago, and many adults today still don't. I never felt like I was worshipping the devil or sinning in any way when I dressed up like a vampire and went to parties with my friends, or gave my grandma a clay pot that I made in art class, or searched through my house for chocolate eggs. No matter what Christmas used to be, right now it is celebrated as the birth day of Jesus. It's the spirit of the holiday that matters, not its origins.

The verses that support my point are the ones where God says specifically not to worship Him in the same way the pagans worshiped their gods. I.E. trees decorated with gold and silver and brought into our homes, eggs died colors and celebrated on the days of other gods. He gave us seven yearly festivals that He said were His Festivals and that they were Eternal. Why do we want to trade those for two festivals that are clearly not what He wants us to do but, what we want to do instead?

I admit, things were easier when I observed Easter and Christmas. I didn't have to get into difficult situations like this debate. I don't want anyone to think I am judging them. I just want to be allowed to follow the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, love His Son, and Worship Him in the manner He set forth.

I used the Matt. 5 and Mal. 6 scriptures in anticipation of someone saying that God did away with the "Old Law" or the Old Testament. I hear that alot and, I find, when I give them the words of Jesus Himself stating that the Law is still valid, they will hear me out more easily.

Again, I don't judge anyone for the Holidays they celebrate. We all learn from the Spirit of God in His time. "Line upon line, precept upon precept". I accept that I am an outsider and that many of you will get mad or even hate me for my stance. However, I simply stand on scripture and have yet to see a scripture reference (from KJV since that is the most widely accepted printing) supporting any of your views. You can say I am not a Christian, that will not hurt me. You can even call me a heretic. But I simply quote Scripture and state historical fact.

Love and Blessings in Messiah Yeshua (Jesus Christ)

ShofarBlower
(Kevin Hedrick)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: drb1200 on October 15, 2009, 01:25:46 PM
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Was that directed at me? I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter, or any other holdiday except St. Patricks day, labour day, Thanksgiving, and the Holy Days.
Then why do you call yourself a Christian (assuming that you do)?
I worship Christ, go to Church, love God, love man, follow his laws (torah), and observe HIS FESTIVALS. Yeshua NEVER said to celebrate Halloween, Christmas, Easter, or such. Are you saying that I can't be a Christian and refuse to celebrate man-made celebrations which date back to human sacrifice and abominations? If that is true, I am most certainly not a Christian.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 15, 2009, 01:34:00 PM
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Was that directed at me? I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter, or any other holdiday except St. Patricks day, labour day, Thanksgiving, and the Holy Days.
Then why do you call yourself a Christian (assuming that you do)?
I worship Christ, go to Church, love God, love man, follow his laws (torah), and observe HIS FESTIVALS. Yeshua NEVER said to celebrate Halloween, Christmas, Easter, or such. Are you saying that I can't be a Christian and refuse to celebrate man-made celebrations which date back to human sacrifice and abominations? If that is true, I am most certainly not a Christian.
I'm just asking whether you call yourself a Jew or a Christian, as you seem to be in rebellion against all things Christian besides acknowledging Jesus as Messiah.

St. Paul writes:
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Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by λόγου (reason, speech, word), or our epistle.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: drb1200 on October 15, 2009, 01:36:10 PM
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Was that directed at me? I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter, or any other holdiday except St. Patricks day, labour day, Thanksgiving, and the Holy Days.
Then why do you call yourself a Christian (assuming that you do)?
I worship Christ, go to Church, love God, love man, follow his laws (torah), and observe HIS FESTIVALS. Yeshua NEVER said to celebrate Halloween, Christmas, Easter, or such. Are you saying that I can't be a Christian and refuse to celebrate man-made celebrations which date back to human sacrifice and abominations? If that is true, I am most certainly not a Christian.
I'm just asking whether you call yourself a Jew or a Christian, as you seem to be in rebellion against all things Christian besides acknowledging Jesus as Messiah.

St. Paul writes:
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Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Thessalonians 2:15


I believe in the Apostles' Creed, which says nothing of the holidays.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 15, 2009, 01:41:40 PM
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Was that directed at me? I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter, or any other holdiday except St. Patricks day, labour day, Thanksgiving, and the Holy Days.
Then why do you call yourself a Christian (assuming that you do)?
I worship Christ, go to Church, love God, love man, follow his laws (torah), and observe HIS FESTIVALS. Yeshua NEVER said to celebrate Halloween, Christmas, Easter, or such. Are you saying that I can't be a Christian and refuse to celebrate man-made celebrations which date back to human sacrifice and abominations? If that is true, I am most certainly not a Christian.
I'm just asking whether you call yourself a Jew or a Christian, as you seem to be in rebellion against all things Christian besides acknowledging Jesus as Messiah.

St. Paul writes:
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Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Thessalonians 2:15


I believe in the Apostles' Creed, which says nothing of the holidays.
So the Bible and the creed the council of Nicene put together is okay, but as for their address of the "Easter Controversy", we should just ignore that?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 15, 2009, 02:03:42 PM
Shofar, none of your verses support your point and you haven't addressed mine. What about my argument constitutes following after Pagan things? My argument isn't about conforming to the world, but seizing it for Christ. Abraham Kuijper, who is Dutch so you know he's right, said, "Oh, no single piece of our mental world is to be hermetically sealed off from the rest, and there is not a square inch in the whole domain of our human existence over which Christ, who is Sovereign over all, does not cry: 'Mine!'" Again I ask you to address my argument instead of going back to your talking points: if we shouldn't celebrate the birth of Christ because it is an intentional renewing and redemption of old Pagan practices, why should we be ok with skyscrapers, which aren't even intentionally trying to redeem the Tower of Babel? And why should we accept Christians, who used to be sons of the Devil?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Master KChief on October 15, 2009, 02:10:11 PM
elaborate how his verses do not support his stance? they seem pretty solid to me.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 15, 2009, 02:16:24 PM
His verses from Deuteronomy are totally irrelevant. Nobody is talking about following after pagan gods.

His verses from Matthew are even more irrelevant. I asked him why he was clinging to his (non-scriptural) view on holidays, not why he was clinging to Scripture (which I also do).

His Malachi verses are missing the point. They're talking about a refusal to obey the positive of the Law. If those verses meant what he is trying to twist them to mean, harmonicas would be a sin because they're not in the Bible. I agree, not keeping God's ordinances is a sin, and I agree that God doesn't change, but that's got nothing to do with whether or not we should be pushing back the fall by reclaiming all of creation for King Jesus.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Shofarblower on October 15, 2009, 02:30:22 PM
You say that nothin I have quoted from scripture supports my point.

I say that, everything I have stated supports my point.

When one uses a skyscraper to maximize space in an overpopulated city, they are not worshiping any god. However when one erects a Christmas tree (spoken against in Jeremiah chapter 10) and says that they are celebrating the birth of Jesus, they are using pagan things to worship God. This is exactly what God said He did not want His children to do.        

Deu 12:30  Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31  Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

Parades were common among all cultures, not just the pagan ones. David paraded the Ark of the Covenant before the whole city before returning it to the Santuary.

Hotels were always available in history and not every one of them were brothels as you suppose to present.

You have called my convictions "silly", however, I stand that you have never given one ounce of biblical proof to your claim that we should celebrate pagan days as Christian days.

Christ was born at the Feast of Tabernacles (follow the courses of the Priests to find when John the Babtist was concieved, then Jesus was born 6 months after John was. You can do the math or I can e-mail you the study I have done). He died on Passover (and no one has answered my question as to why Christians often celebrate Easter before passover).

I submit that holding on to pagan tradition rather than following Biblical logic is "silly".  

The only reason for my verses in Malachi were to state that God never Changes and that is the truth no matter the context. If I have confused in my intention, then, I apologize.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 15, 2009, 02:30:55 PM
Also, I would ask if (since you obey the Torah) you would cut off your wife's hand if she punches a man in-between-the-legs in self defense and despise her in your heart from then on for it.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: New Raven BR on October 15, 2009, 02:35:25 PM
Also, I would ask if (since you obey the Torah) you would cut off your wife's hand if she punches a man in-between-the-legs in self defense and despise her in your hear from then on for it.
Epic Fail
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 15, 2009, 02:38:57 PM
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When one uses a skyscraper to maximize space in an overpopulated city, they are not worshiping any god. However when one erects a Christmas tree (spoken against in Jeremiah chapter 10) and says that they are celebrating the birth of Jesus, they are using pagan things to worship God. This is exactly what God said He did not want His children to do.
So all trees are pagan things? Is it a sin to build a house out of wood?

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You have called my convictions "silly", however, I stand that you have never given one ounce of biblical proof to your claim that we should celebrate pagan days as Christian days.
There's no reason we shouldn't. We don't know when the original dates were and at that time it was the best thing to do for furthering the faith [putting the holidays on those dates]. It is so absurdly naive to disregard all of Christian history and think that all you need is the Bible, outside of any reference of context.
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Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Shofarblower on October 15, 2009, 03:14:23 PM
I do follow Torah, you would have to understand that, Torah supports the victim not the oppressor. Self defense is always righteous. We have a legal system in this country that I have to rely upon until they foce me to go against my God. So, to answer Colin, I would not cut off my wife's hand in a situation of self defense. I woul also let the courts handle any punishment as the judges and priests were to do in scripture.

In reference to MP saying that the Matt reference is irrelevent, I think I covered my reasons for using Matt and Mal. and admitted that they were not directly connected to this debate. They simply sho that the Law is not pase' or old hat and that  it is still relevant for our lives.

In regards to your comment about not going after other gods.

The Christmas tree was used (originally) to worship the sun god Ra and Tammuz
(it was also banned in America until about 100 years ago, not sure of the actual time but I can find it if I need to)

"Christmas Ham" is tradition in most homes and it was tradition for the followers of Tammuz to kill and eat a pig on Dec. 25 because Tammuz was killed in his earthly life by a wild boar.

The whole Santa Claus tradition (with the exception of the real Saint Nicolas) is a copy of the worship of Molech.

The day Easter is set upon is the same day the pagan priests chose for the high day of Ishtar (the source for the name Easter) the pagan goddess of fertility. The Easter egg tradition is from the child sacrifices they would do to ensure her favor on the coming year.

Even the Easter bunny originates in the worship of Ishtar. (the mythology is that upon emerging from a freshly laid egg, Ishtar turned the bird that laid the egg into an egg laying rabbit)

How then are we not going after the pagan gods and using thier practices to worship our God?

In your Thessalonians reference I would argue that it was written by Paul, a man who kept the Festivals of God and that the changes of the holidays you all are referring to did not happen until hundreds of years later. And furthermore, I never said I think all we need is scripture. I simply think that when scripture stricly forbids something, we should not do it.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: New Raven BR on October 15, 2009, 03:21:47 PM
i'm just gonna stop reading this thread cause i think it's making me dumber and dumber by the minute
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 15, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
I do follow Torah, you would have to understand that, Torah supports the victim not the oppressor. Self defense is always righteous. We have a legal system in this country that I have to rely upon until they foce me to go against my God. So, to answer Colin, I would not cut off my wife's hand in a situation of self defense. I woul also let the courts handle any punishment as the judges and priests were to do in scripture.

In reference to MP saying that the Matt reference is irrelevent, I think I covered my reasons for using Matt and Mal. and admitted that they were not directly connected to this debate. They simply sho that the Law is not pase' or old hat and that  it is still relevant for our lives.

In regards to your comment about not going after other gods.

The Christmas tree was used (originally) to worship the sun god Ra and Tammuz
(it was also banned in America until about 100 years ago, not sure of the actual time but I can find it if I need to)

"Christmas Ham" is tradition in most homes and it was tradition for the followers of Tammuz to kill and eat a pig on Dec. 25 because Tammuz was killed in his earthly life by a wild boar.

The whole Santa Claus tradition (with the exception of the real Saint Nicolas) is a copy of the worship of Molech.

The day Easter is set upon is the same day the pagan priests chose for the high day of Ishtar (the source for the name Easter) the pagan goddess of fertility. The Easter egg tradition is from the child sacrifices they would do to ensure her favor on the coming year.

Even the Easter bunny originates in the worship of Ishtar. (the mythology is that upon emerging from a freshly laid egg, Ishtar turned the bird that laid the egg into an egg laying rabbit)

How then are we not going after the pagan gods and using thier practices to worship our God?

In your Thessalonians reference I would argue that it was written by Paul, a man who kept the Festivals of God and that the changes of the holidays you all are referring to did not happen until hundreds of years later. And furthermore, I never said I think all we need is scripture. I simply think that when scripture stricly forbids something, we should not do it.

You must be one of those guys who believe that 911 was a CIA conspiracy to get the people's support for a war in Iraq and that JFK was shot by the Masons for being Catholic.

Would you like me to show you how much of the Bible was stolen from other religions? Should we throw out the Bible because of its pagan origins?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Ironica on October 15, 2009, 04:01:00 PM
He died on Passover (and no one has answered my question as to why Christians often celebrate Easter before passover).

Since the passover celebration jumps around every year, it's a lot easier to have a set day when we completely focus on Christ's resurection.

Also:

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Colossians 2:16-23 (New Living Translation)

 16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality. 18 Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels,[a] saying they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds have made them proud, 19 and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it.

 20 You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, 21 “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? 22 Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. 23 These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Shofarblower on October 15, 2009, 04:47:57 PM
Actually, Easter Jumps around just as much as the Passover celebration, But, I can see your point and thank you for a truthful response.

i'm just gonna stop reading this thread cause i think it's making me dumber and dumber by the minute

I am not trying to persuade anyone to my way of thinking, I agree with New Raven on his statement. I feel that this discussion is taking way too much of my time. I understand all your points of view and if I have offended in myself, then I am sorry. If I offend with scripture, then you should take it up with the man who wrote the scripture.

I will agree that many points of scripture are shared with pagan religions, but I will never concede that the scriptures adopted the pagan, possibly the other way around.

I feel that the comments that were made by Ironica regarding the Collosians 2 passage, only support my stand even more. That passage is condemning the worship of "angels" and the festivals that Paul would have advocated to those in Colosse would be the Feasts of God. If the Colossians would have been keeping festivals on pagan days, no one would have thought to condemn them, they would have just thought they were celebrating the same festivals as the other pagans.

Again, I say (as I dismis myself from this thread) that the celebration of Christmas and Easter did not enter the Christian church until about 300 years after the death of Paul and the Desciples. Therefore, they could not have advocated the following of such things. God, on the other hand, knows all and knew that His children would do those things so He specifically told us not to (I defer to my Deut 12:30 reference again.).

Please do not take my leaving this thread as a victory, I simply see that it is not worth my time to continue here.

Blessings on you all,

Kevin
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Colin Michael on October 15, 2009, 04:56:12 PM
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I will agree that many points of scripture are shared with pagan religions, but I will never concede that the scriptures adopted the pagan, possibly the other way around.
Right, the story of Esther was copied by the Sumerians a half dozen centuries before the events were even said to have happened.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Prof Underwood on October 15, 2009, 05:04:51 PM
I probably should have gotten involved in this thread a long time ago.  Colin, you have made posts throughout this discussion that are extremely inappropriate on a Christian message board.  I don't agree with Shofarblower that we should avoid Christmas or Easter, or that we have to still celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles, etc.  However, you have just been completely disrespectful to him, and he deserves an apology.

if the jews are celebrating passover and feast of tabernacles and such then why is it we're not celebrating the same holidays as they are? eh?
Because they killed Jesus.
Anti-semitism.  This is the kind of stuff Hitler talked about.

I respect your views as I do respect the views of the LDS, though I think them misguided and not Christian.
Comparing "Messianic Judaism" to "Mormonism" and denying a fellow board member's Christianity because they choose to follow Biblical guidelines about festivals.

You must be one of those guys who believe that 911 was a CIA conspiracy to get the people's support for a war in Iraq and that JFK was shot by the Masons for being Catholic.  Would you like me to show you how much of the Bible was stolen from other religions?
Completely devolving a debate to character assassination and topping even that by attacking the Bible for plagiarism.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: The Warrior on October 15, 2009, 07:11:00 PM
 can we please focus on the reason the Thread was made??.... ( What are you going to be for halloween?)
If u dont like the thread or the posts on it just leave
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Master KChief on October 15, 2009, 07:26:52 PM
can we please focus on the reason the Thread was made??.... ( What are you going to be for halloween?)
If u dont like the thread or the posts on it just leave

thank you. please take this debate to open discussion please.

back on topic, im gonna be a lego master chief! :)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: The Warrior on October 15, 2009, 07:54:53 PM
can we please focus on the reason the Thread was made??.... ( What are you going to be for halloween?)
If u dont like the thread or the posts on it just leave

thank you. please take this debate to open discussion please.back on topic, im gonna be a lego master chief! :)
i agree
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Paladin on October 16, 2009, 08:23:21 AM
I remember someone said that they were gonna be a booger.....but how?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Gil Galad Elven King *Generic on October 16, 2009, 10:31:28 AM
here's the first pic of me in my costume... I'll probably have more after our church even on the 25th!

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.philsnextkick.com%2Fcostume1.jpg&hash=fd6a8ede2f06df1e318e3994d072acf9ae345da6) (http://www.philsnextkick.com/costume1.jpg)

Also, I made a costume accessory for the daughter of some friends... whatcha think?

Costume Accessory (http://www.philsnextkick.com)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Paladin on October 16, 2009, 11:29:21 AM
Is that a thumb with and eye one it?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: TimMierz on October 16, 2009, 11:34:07 AM
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhrwiki.org%2Fw%2Fimages%2Fc%2Fc2%2Fhseye.png&hash=c5e0e04a3b67eaa1fe573a6b78a1e491231fbd08) (http://www.homestarrunner.com/malloween.html)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Paladin on October 16, 2009, 11:35:15 AM
Hey, that looks like the other pic.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on October 16, 2009, 11:37:23 AM
lol I want to be kirby. XD or jigglypuff. I am roundenough for them XD But won't have time or money to make the costume :_(
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Lurch on October 17, 2009, 09:35:07 AM
all you would need would be a pink hoodie, you could pull it off.  and hey, if you decide not to go with those after you have bought the hoodie, you could tape/glue a shoe to your head and be a piece of bubble gum on the bottom of your shoe:)

i believe that now i am going as gambit, from origens. i have pretty much everything... i bought a fidora last year that will fit the ensemble perfectly:)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Ryupeco11 on October 17, 2009, 10:24:07 AM
IT'S HOMESTARRUNNER! ^_^(i almost forgot about him)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Vasbear on October 17, 2009, 11:38:14 AM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/xianfox/3802053994/#in/set-72157621982523538/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/xianfox/3802053994/#in/set-72157621982523538/)

Just like the last few years.

the suit is my dads but he lets me take it out.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on October 17, 2009, 01:07:16 PM
all you would need would be a pink hoodie, you could pull it off.  and hey, if you decide not to go with those after you have bought the hoodie, you could tape/glue a shoe to your head and be a piece of bubble gum on the bottom of your shoe:)

i believe that now i am going as gambit, from origens. i have pretty much everything... i bought a fidora last year that will fit the ensemble perfectly:)

oh noes that is awesome...I might actually do that lolz
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: acree3 on October 18, 2009, 06:25:49 PM
nothing i dont selebrate.
ryland
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Paladin on October 20, 2009, 11:50:04 AM
Someone should go as where's waldo and pop up in peoples pictures.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on October 20, 2009, 11:38:18 PM
Someone should go as where's waldo and pop up in peoples pictures.

oh noes!!! I went to this anime convention with my friend *shout-out to ryupeco11* and we were wario and mario respectively, and I saw waldo and I asked him for his picture then he said sure but he would have to kill us. and everytime our group was posing, because we had everybody dress up as mario characters, he would pop up in some of our pictures. When I walked by him, he would wave his cane at me to tell me he was coming to get meh. oh noez
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Ryupeco11 on October 28, 2009, 02:59:42 PM
Quote
oh noes!!! I went to this anime convention with my friend *shout-out to ryupeco11* and we were wario and mario respectively, and I saw waldo and I asked him for his picture then he said sure but he would have to kill us. and everytime our group was posing, because we had everybody dress up as mario characters, he would pop up in some of our pictures. When I walked by him, he would wave his cane at me to tell me he was coming to get meh. oh noez

actually i've been looking at other photos i have of you that wern't taken at otakon and he's been poping up in them too i think waldo is haunting you.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Gil Galad Elven King *Generic on October 29, 2009, 09:51:52 AM
Well guys, here's me from this past Sunday...

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.philsnextkick.com%2Fimages%2Fmarios%26amp%3Bluigi.jpg&hash=ed7a577d0028842f3b5e45df132c1480c8bb58a1)

Luigi was a girl that works with the youth at our church, and the other mario is one of the youth...

My costume was best though cause my Stache is REAL!
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: TimMierz on October 29, 2009, 10:14:00 AM
Two Marios? You couldn't've opted for a Wario or something instead?

At least no one was Waluigi.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: NWJosh on October 29, 2009, 10:34:18 AM
My youth group is having a YOUTH NINJA HALLOWEEN PARTY so since I am the youth pastor I am going as the SUPER NINJA.  It's a super easy costume but I love it.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Ben Wilk on October 29, 2009, 02:05:31 PM
I am walking around in full tactical gear for airsoft
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Gil Galad Elven King *Generic on October 29, 2009, 05:59:24 PM
Two Marios? You couldn't've opted for a Wario or something instead?

At least no one was Waluigi.

I didn't know there was going to be another mario.  There was also baby mario and baby luigi, but we didn't get pictures with them...
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on October 29, 2009, 06:36:14 PM
Two Marios? You couldn't've opted for a Wario or something instead?

At least no one was Waluigi.

I didn't know there was going to be another mario.  There was also baby mario and baby luigi, but we didn't get pictures with them...

I'm gonna be Wario. I already have the outfit from Otakon so it will be easy. Aaaahhhh good times at Otakon.........*spaces off*
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on October 29, 2009, 06:56:24 PM
A Redemption playing nerd who hates Halloween expect for the candy.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Ironica on October 29, 2009, 07:01:49 PM
I'm going to try and fit as much as my life into one outfit as I can (e.g Band jacket, Second Job shirt, yellow tags from first job, etc).
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Lawfuldog on October 29, 2009, 07:02:18 PM
I'm going as a Nazi. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Master KChief on October 29, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
you should go as a nazi zombie.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: New Raven BR on October 29, 2009, 07:21:09 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZOOOOOOOMMMMMBBIIIIEEEEE HIIIIIIIITLEEEEEEERRRRR @_@
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Lawfuldog on October 29, 2009, 07:21:58 PM
That was our first idea, but then we had a better idea.

We're getting to the point in our History class where we talk about Hitler and such, so we had the idea as for some of us to go as Nazi soldiers, someone as Hitler, a few as the French Resistence, and then a few as Jews. It'll make a good video for a presentation.  :P
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Red on October 30, 2009, 03:12:41 PM
i'm going as a jedi knight.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: JSB23 on October 30, 2009, 06:22:16 PM
So the Bio teacher at my school
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 30, 2009, 08:19:50 PM
That was our first idea, but then we had a better idea.

We're getting to the point in our History class where we talk about Hitler and such, so we had the idea as for some of us to go as Nazi soldiers, someone as Hitler, a few as the French Resistence, and then a few as Jews. It'll make a good video for a presentation.  :P
Are you the Prince of England, by any chance? Props on a Halloween that's sure to offend every possible demographic.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Paladin on October 31, 2009, 08:31:10 AM
Dude, saying jedi i found is fun. I thought of going as one of my friends but, of course, im not goin tricker treatin.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Ryupeco11 on October 31, 2009, 09:04:12 AM
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My costume was best though cause my Stache is REAL!

I know exactly what you mean ^_^


(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi174.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw107%2Fryupeco11%2Fthemariofour.jpg&hash=fbf31e6b60f45b6d4f231143f0fd66258baed65a)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on October 31, 2009, 10:07:02 AM
Why must you do that to me Brandon lol. And post a pic of me as Wario lol
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: New Raven BR on October 31, 2009, 01:49:48 PM
HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE!!!!!!
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: BubbleBoy on October 31, 2009, 01:56:45 PM
HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE!!!!!!
That took you way more time than it was worth.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: The Warrior on October 31, 2009, 01:58:06 PM
HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE!!!!!!
That took you way more time than it was worth.
which was um
0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001$
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: BubbleBoy on October 31, 2009, 02:03:56 PM
HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE!!!!!!
That took you way more time than it was worth.
which was um
0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001$
$ is a measure of money, not time.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on October 31, 2009, 02:06:57 PM
HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE!!!!!!
That took you way more time than it was worth.
which was um
0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001$
$ is a measure of money, not time.

No duh, he meant money
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Soundman2 on October 31, 2009, 02:33:41 PM
I'm going to go as the 4th doctor
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on October 31, 2009, 02:40:05 PM
HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE!!!!!!
That took you way more time than it was worth.
which was um
0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001$
$ is a measure of money, not time.

You said worth... that implies that it has a value, and money is a commonly used value of worth.  :P
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: BubbleBoy on October 31, 2009, 11:34:59 PM
I see. Perhaps the uselessness of that post threw me off. ::)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: The Guardian on November 01, 2009, 01:24:04 AM
I went as House and won "Best Costume" award at the party I went to.  ;D I will upload the pics tomorrow.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on November 01, 2009, 08:22:21 AM
I went as House and won "Best Costume" award at the party I went to.  ;D I will upload the pics tomorrow.

I would think "Skyscraper" would have been more appropriate for your physical build.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: The Guardian on November 01, 2009, 11:16:11 AM
Well my brother is taller than I so maybe he should do that, but that's not a bad idea to keep in mind for next year.  :)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Ben Wilk on November 01, 2009, 11:18:01 AM
halloween is over. KILL THIS THREAD
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on November 01, 2009, 01:10:17 PM
halloween is over. KILL THIS THREAD

Why the hostility? We can still talk about what great halloween we had XD
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: The Warrior on November 01, 2009, 01:56:29 PM
why not not just change it to "What WERE u you gonna be fur HW?"
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: New Raven BR on November 01, 2009, 01:59:57 PM
why not not just change it to "What WERE u you gonna be fur HW?"
why not learn how to spell  ;)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: The Warrior on November 01, 2009, 02:02:00 PM
why not not just change it to "What WERE u you gonna be fur HW?"
i should shut up
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: New Raven BR on November 01, 2009, 02:59:22 PM
i was only kidding with ya warrior -_-
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Lampy 2.0 on November 01, 2009, 05:08:35 PM
As I think I said in an earlier post, I went as Spider-Man last night. (Thanks marvelshop.com! You rock!) Kids kept pointing at me and said, "Hey look! It's Spider-Man!" I later told my mom, "I've become some sort of icon!"  ;D I later saw a guy dressed as Waldo. (They even mentioned that same guy at a Halloween Puppet Show last night.) I had a great time.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Paladin on November 01, 2009, 08:06:14 PM
Turned out I went as me in soccer years wearin my soccer hoody.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: The Guardian on November 01, 2009, 09:00:42 PM
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-snc3%2Fhs120.snc3%2F16742_549727066029_63800578_32390606_4671903_n.jpg&hash=24b67500d4c366c6c3e8037d01bcfda51ceee310)

CounterStrike Terrorist Elite and House
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on November 01, 2009, 09:52:13 PM
Looks a little like the two people from Left for dead. Which was cool cause I saw a boomer and a hunter. I ended up stabbing the boomer. Thank god he didn't spew on me xp
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: The Guardian on November 01, 2009, 10:51:46 PM
Another friend of mine went as Louis from LfD actually.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on November 01, 2009, 10:53:53 PM
sweet!!! do you have a pic?

I went to otakon over the summer and saw all of the characters from L4D. It was crazy. Everybody was taking pics. So epic
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: DDiceRC on November 01, 2009, 10:55:45 PM
I didn't dress up, but I had a Halloween horror-my son took my Genesis/Roman deck that I have so carefully worked on but never won with, and took 2nd place in our Halloween local with it!
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on November 01, 2009, 10:57:08 PM
sweet!! did you learn anything from him? ddice?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: DDiceRC on November 01, 2009, 11:00:43 PM
Yeah, I learned not to loan him my deck.  ;D

He did play it slightly differently than I have, and I'm going to incorporate some of his strategy next time. He'd rather play his own deck, with angels and demons. (But he's still looking for a GoH.)
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on November 01, 2009, 11:04:12 PM
Angels and Demons is fun...and a movie by tom hanks if i'm not mistaken. XD WHat did he do differently than you did?
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: Minister Polarius on November 02, 2009, 12:07:00 AM
What did he do differently than you did?
I'm interested to hear this too. I didn't know there was more than one way to play that kind of deck.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: DDiceRC on November 02, 2009, 08:04:25 PM
I generally focus on the discard aspect, emphasizing defense. He focused on the search capabilities, and getting his cards out. I'm not sure how much of that might be the luck of the draw, but I definitely want to be aware of that.
Title: Re: What are you going to be for halloween?
Post by: hi123 on November 03, 2009, 05:47:58 PM
What I did for Halloween was baught a skeleten mask,and died my hair silver. Then
I put alot of fake blood on my mask. But I think This might be my last year for Halloween.
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