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New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« on: September 03, 2019, 05:04:28 PM »
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Hello Everyone... I just received cards I ordered from YTG (Great site/person to deal with) to build a flood deck. I got most of what I need to have it up and running. But as I am a new player and this is my first real stab at a meta-current deck build, having recently upgraded from the I/J starter decks, what are some tips or strategies that should be included in a flood build?

I am rolling with a Crimson defense. And, based on the deck list from nationals that Bobbert posted, I have included ANB. I also saw strong advocating for Covenant with Adam... And some are rolling with Jonah. How does everyone else feel about those plays? What are the best combos to frame the deck (Or piloting thereof) towards?

I'm very green to the game, so any tips and help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2019, 06:31:30 PM »
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Muah ha ha, more ANB converts  :maul:

Welcome to the boards! I posted a brief explanation of how the Flood offense works on this thread, but the TL;DR is "search out everything and stay ahead of your opponent". If you can find Noah and Ark on the first turn, you're in a very good place - my deck ran about ten cards that could get to one or the other to try to make sure I found them every game.

A lot of the specific card choices are down to personal preference. Covenant with Adam is indeed quite good, and I've added it to my deck post-Nats (although I haven't had a chance to test the changes I've made very deeply). Jonah's trickier - he's undeniably good, but he breaks the unity on ANB and Rainbow, so I'd recommend not including him until you're very comfortable with how the deck works. I'll also note one difference between my version and JD's and Jay's is that they focused a lot on The Flood, whereas I mostly relied on big numbers and negates to bludgeon my way through defenses. Both strategies have merit, but I'll let you mess around and figure out what you like.

As far as combos go, here's a couple that not everyone realizes right away: Shem's Wife can be a battlewinner with any Add to Battle/mid-battle band ability like You Will Remain or Bless the Nations. Even though he'll be grabbing Flood Survivors 90% of the time, Noah can grab evil characters as well - there's few things as distressing to an opponent as grabbing back the Merchants they just Angel'd in territory. TxP Nebuchadnezzar to Betrayal can get rid of battlewinners in the opponent's hand and draw you some cards - very powerful, especially if the underdeck gets rid of their ammo. ANB during draw phase can give you all the benefits of going first and drawing first - starting with an 11 card hand while your opponent has nothing is preeeety good. If you have Pitch and Gopher Wood active on Ark, ANB can also tick down the turn timers on heroes in Ark.
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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2019, 07:02:25 PM »
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In my experience playing Flood Survivors, ANB has generally been pretty underwhelming. YMMV though.
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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2019, 12:33:03 AM »
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Great info on that post Bobbert. Thanks for providing the link to that... seems like there is quite a bit of activity to familiarize myself with. Probably going to be quite the learning curve as I play it.

How do you guys decide what to place in reserve vs main deck? I mean, there’s cards that seem like they would be great to draw into, but at the same time, could be accessed via reserve searching cards. How do you reason which cards to reserve vs their effectiveness if main decked?

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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2019, 01:34:10 AM »
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The main things I think about when deciding what goes in the Reserve are:
•How much I would want it turn one, cards like key Heroes (i.e. Noah) I want in the deck so that in addition to drawing tutors I could also draw the Hero itself.
•How many ways I have to get it out of Reserve and how consistent those ways are, so if I have three ways to get Heroes from Reserve and only one way to get Enhancements, I might put an extra Hero in there instead of an Enhancement. On the other hand, if my one way to get Enhancements is Storehouse, which is fairly consistent, then I might prefer the extra Enhancement.
•Will the card be useful in every game, say you're using an N.T. gold deck which relies somewhat heavily on conversion as a battle winner, you might want a card like Three Nails in Reserve so that if you run into a demon defense you can pull it out, otherwise it won't be a wasted slot in the main deck. Nowadays I Am Creator is put in nearly every Reserve with Exiles LS in main deck because it is very strong on turn one, but if you don't get it early on you likely won't need it later in the game.

As far as specifically for Flood Survivor decks and similar decks that have certain setup cards they want right away (such as Noah and Ark), then I like to do some basic probability. Essentially it's just a matter of, 'If I have these cards in deck and those cards in Reserve I have 4 chances of getting to that card turn one, but if I put those cards in deck and these cards in Reserve, I have 6 chances at getting that card turn one.'
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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2019, 03:02:28 AM »
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Excellent break down Jaylor. Thanks for making it simple for a newb to understand. May seem like common sense for veteran players, but being new to the concept of a reserve and how it’s used most effectively, that breakdown was wonderful.

I really appreciate everyone’s input and thoughts to help get me started in the right direction. Seems a bit overwhelming adding in cloud cards, a reserve and star abilities, plus the increase in territory class effects coming from I/J. The great info I’ve received here helps a ton! Excited to get started playing the deck. My buddy that introduced me to the game will be getting his new deck in within the next couple days, so I’ll be able to try it out then. We are both making the jump from the starter decks.

If anyone has any other tips or suggestions for cards to try, feel free to share. Thanks again everyone!! Seems like an awesome community to be a part of.

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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2019, 08:15:34 AM »
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1. Don't worry about meta decks
2. Have fun and don't burn out
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6. Once you get comfortable with a few themes pick your most favorite them and learn how to support that with stuff
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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2019, 09:20:50 AM »
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*To be competitive in type 1 2 player you WILL need TSC, Three Woes, Falling Away, Grapes, Rubble and Dust/Don

I agree with everything you said except this. While I think that Three Woes is the single most important card for a competitive deck after Son of God, the others are nice but optional, as long as you can make it to seven doms that aren't Doubt. Obviously The Second Coming is much more versatile than NJ, but NJ can fill a fair amount of the same space in a deck (especially the new one that can do the old "copy opponent's SoG" play). Most competitive decks at this point run SoG/TSC/AotL/CM/3W, with two flex slots - while those are usually two of the other four you've listed, you definitely don't need all of them in the same deck.
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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2019, 09:50:52 AM »
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NJ is ok until the district level I'd say. The problem with NJ is that you have to go out of your way to work your deck around it.
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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2019, 04:36:49 PM »
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NJ is ok until the district level I'd say. The problem with NJ is that you have to go out of your way to work your deck around it.
If it's a Throne deck, I'd say you could compete at the state level.
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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2019, 06:57:55 PM »
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I have TSC, Grapes and the newer version of Falling Away. I’m sure you guys mean the Women’s version. I couldn’t pull the trigger on 3 woes at the price point this go around, but plan on getting it next time I order some cards. I think I have a solid handle on the cards needed to make the deck function, just need to add those staple cards as I build on it.


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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2019, 05:56:35 PM »
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Is it legal to have the ANB dominant and enhancement in the same T1 deck?
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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2019, 10:41:27 PM »
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Is it legal to have the ANB dominant and enhancement in the same T1 deck?
I’m not sure if it’s legal or not by game standards, but it really should be a crime against humanity if you play both of those in the same T1 game. Elders, can this get codified into international law soon?
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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2019, 11:12:04 PM »
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I'll get my Congressman on the phone.

I believe I remember hearing that you are allowed to run both by game rule. The list under "Duplicate Card" in the REG primarily concerns characters, but the guidelines are same name and either same brigade or art. Since doms don't have a brigade and they both use different art, this leads me to think you can. That said, it also says "All Artifact, Covenant, Curse, Dominant and Fortress cards are considered unique" - I don't know if that means they would be exclusive because one is a dom, although I'd wager this was intended more for Falling Away and the different art starter doms.
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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2019, 01:30:22 AM »
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You can run both. That list of unique only applies to cards as those types - you can have any City in play as both Site and Fort, if you have 2 copies.

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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2019, 08:14:40 AM »
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Given the ability to have the enhancement and dom, is it worth running the enhancement with just Noah?  Or would you want to include a hero like Enoch or Joseph? (or Jonah like the 3rd place deck)
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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2019, 10:14:52 AM »
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Given the ability to have the enhancement and dom, is it worth running the enhancement with just Noah?  Or would you want to include a hero like Enoch or Joseph? (or Jonah like the 3rd place deck)

Remember that the dominant version has Unity (Flood Survivors). While you can certainly run other heroes, any time you have a non-Noah green hero for Pats ANB you're breaking unity for FoM ANB.
So what you should do is just steal your opponent's green heroes with Flying Scroll/Remnant/Nic's Teachings to have another ANB opportunity, or Love your survivor to green
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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2019, 10:29:29 AM »
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1. I was thinking you could just keep the non-flood survivor in hand. 
2. If you're using Enoch, you can just SoG him. 
3. The enhancement doesn't have unity so if you use it before the dom, it puts the Unity breaker off the table.  Then just keep it off the table.  If you've already used the dom, you can break the Unity whenever you want to play the enhancement.
4. In type 2, I think you can run Patriarchs Noah's Sons and Fall of Man sons so training in Righteousness would be a really slow way to get the sons or wives to be green.
5. Coat of Many Colors (actually, now that I think of it, joseph+ANB is apropos considering how he was reunited with his family)
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Re: New To Flood Survivors... What's What?
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2019, 10:57:46 AM »
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Hypocrisy invoking shrine for Anb dom

Delivered hidden treasures Elijah Jonah Noah for play first Anb enh 😆🏁