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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2019, 11:57:49 AM »
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Don't forget that Gabriel can take out Scattered. Obviously you have to draw Gabriel before they find Scattered, but when it's one specific card for them and one specific card for you, you will usually win that race assuming TFA comes down early.

There's also the possibility that you find TFA naturally and you can use Guidance or Wheel to tutor Gabriel right away.
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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2019, 08:03:02 PM »
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just realized Daniel negates coliseum, so will just have to deal with scattered.  took it out for stone cut without hands as a placeholder for now.  What good options are there for soul gen with this?  What should I cut out for uzzah in reserve?

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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2019, 09:13:00 PM »
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One primary purpose of TFA is to get Daniel.

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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2019, 08:03:55 AM »
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Do people really use flying scroll? Its in reserve just to het TFA back after ppl use their flying scroll, but is it that common? I see it in a lot of reserves but not as often used

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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2019, 08:49:28 AM »
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Do people really use flying scroll? Its in reserve just to het TFA back after ppl use their flying scroll, but is it that common? I see it in a lot of reserves but not as often used
Flying Scroll straight up wins games vs Flood Survivors and some prophets lists.
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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2019, 09:09:19 AM »
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Do people really use flying scroll? Its in reserve just to het TFA back after ppl use their flying scroll, but is it that common? I see it in a lot of reserves but not as often used

It's in Reserve because it's so easily gotten from there. Several commonly played cards like Endless Treasures, Storehouse and Exiles LS can all grab it, just to name a few.
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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2019, 09:19:54 AM »
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Do people really use flying scroll? Its in reserve just to het TFA back after ppl use their flying scroll, but is it that common? I see it in a lot of reserves but not as often used
Flying Scroll straight up wins games vs Flood Survivors and some prophets lists.

Can confirm; in both T1 and T2 at Nats a Flying Scroll before I was ready to counter it was one of the more concerning things for my decks. Stealing Jonah, Noah, DaveShep, Sam, Jeremiah, Moses... lots of high-level decks run at least one really good target for the artifact side - not to mention that the enhancement is pretty solid as well, if you're playing those brigades.
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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2019, 10:43:43 AM »
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I’d cut charms for endless treasures
Maybe Mene for death of first born
Cut a reserve ec for moses parents
Bab siege army and merchants main deck for sure, cut some other ecs
Then have wasting disease/golden calf in the reserve

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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2019, 07:39:08 PM »
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deck gets eaten by judges ctb/Earley cwd lol


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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2019, 08:24:27 PM »
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deck gets eaten by judges ctb/Earley cwd lol



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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2019, 09:14:17 PM »
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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2019, 06:57:46 AM »
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The problem ive been running into is that I speed through most of the daniel cards in the deck before i get cwd up, or bab merchans/seige army and moses parents are doing some real work and i dont want them negated, so i dont use cwd.  I really just need to make sure its the first thing i get with storehouses or exiles (unless i need to get I Am Creator, which is usually the case)
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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2019, 03:31:11 PM »
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Is it worth running 5th Seal/Justice Seekers in the deck? It can grab Angelic Guidance to add consistency to getting Foretelling Angel early. In the late game it can either shuffle the deck to change the top card or grab a battle winner (Faith of Daniel?) from Reserve.
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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2019, 08:04:42 PM »
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in making Faith Unbowed, for people who are playing the Daniel deck, what ability do you think would give it the highest value? And do you feel it would be better as a Cloud card or Daniel card?

I really like the idea of the placed enhancement extender similar to Faith of David since Elohim got shot down. But CWD still stops that..

With what kind of ability could Faith Unbowed best serve this deck?

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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2019, 08:15:58 PM »
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It should be daniel, but both would be best.  It could always use more ways to get out TFA or get it back out of discard, also allowing you to shuffle your deck or draw 1 would be nice.  Battle soul drought is also a probelm, since all of the soul drought counters are non daniel.  Battle extension like faith of david wouldnt help much as your entire offense is in battle at once so you dont have much to add to battle if you lose them, i dont even bother with you will remain. Maybe something along the lines of protection or instead ability to get around scattered and cards like it?

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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2019, 09:25:12 PM »
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I'm pretty sure it can't be both Daniel and Cloud - Cloud Enhancements need to come from Hebrews 11 (I think), and cards can only be dual testament if the NT verse quotes the OT verse, which doesn't happen with anything in Daniel 3 - there's a summary, but no direct quote.

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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2019, 10:18:56 PM »
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Based on the verses, your comments, and something I think would benefit a Daniel deck, here are some options:

1.
“If used by a Daniel human, ignore an evil brigade or interrupt the battle and protect Daniel Heroes from evil cards.”

2. (Territory Class)
“Place in territory: Your Daniel human Heroes ignore Babylonians. At any time, you may discard Fiery Furnace to add Shadrach, Meshach, or Abednego to battle.”

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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2019, 12:34:10 PM »
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If i were making a card for daniel, the ability i would like most would be:

Territory class Enhancement 4/4 white
Would be daniel and cloud...somehow
-Place it territroy.  You may shuffle this to take a daniel angel from deck or discard. If any of your daniel heroes are harmed by an opponent, you may discard this instead.

Gives you shuffle, TFA assistance, and a way to get around scattered and cards like it andthem trying to flying scroll/remenant your TFA.  Your own CWD stops it sure, but thats ok as you dont always have it up with this deck and will turn it down for darius decree when you dont have a daniel card topdecked.  It being daniel is more important than cloud to me, as this deck needs more daniel cards, and one that can shuffle itself back into deck would be amazing.

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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2019, 02:34:38 AM »
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What if you made Faith Unbowed a Covenant? Its not a perfect fit as a covenant but it most certainly is the upholding of the covenant between God and Israel to only worship Him.  As a covenant, CwD doesn't target it and you could potentially make it a hard counter to active curses (including CwD).  For Example, the special ability could say: 'target' active curses and restart the current phase.  The idea here is that you can use any target type (discard, banish, shuffle, etc...) and by restarting the phase any ongoing special abilities of CBN/P/I curses would go away. 

Doing it as a covenant also leaves open the spot for the enhancement side to be TC.  I'm just not sure there is enough support for it to actually be a covenant.
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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2019, 09:42:42 AM »
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Is it worth running 5th Seal/Justice Seekers in the deck? It can grab Angelic Guidance to add consistency to getting Foretelling Angel early. In the late game it can either shuffle the deck to change the top card or grab a battle winner (Faith of Daniel?) from Reserve.

I could really see doing this, also then adding love righteousness, as it could get justice seekers to get angelic guidance to get tfa, as well as getting the daniel humans.  The only way to fit them i would see would be to cut endless treasures and move bab merchants to reserve, not sure if its worth that though.  Any thoughts on what could be cut for these cards?  The deck already has too many non daniel cards for my liking, so any cuts would need to be non daniel cards

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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2019, 09:58:50 AM »
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Any thoughts on what could be cut for these cards?  The deck already has too many non daniel cards for my liking, so any cuts would need to be non daniel cards

TGWT is not a consistent 1st turn Hero search. In fact, there is very little you have that you can get into the discard pile if you play first. If the goal is to get TFA ASAP while keeping as many Daniel cards as possible TGWT doesn't seem like a good fit so it's the first card I'd cut.
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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2019, 11:44:05 AM »
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Made a few changes, endless treasure and GWT out for 5th seal and love righteousness, and carcasses out for faith of moses parents in reserve.  Moving the deck farther away from CwD, but it only gets to work half the time anyway so it think its worth it for the added speed, recurrsion, negate, and tfa searching. 

Next question is: namaans servant girl (LS gen) or Woman with child (dom search).  Servant girl can be hard to use, to avoid having to convert myself, but the soul gen can win games sometimes, but so can getting the right dom with WWC, plus she shuffles.  Advice?

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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2019, 11:50:23 AM »
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Thanks for the advice here I really like the ideas for Faith Unbowed!

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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2019, 01:06:43 PM »
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Re: trying to fine tune Daniel
« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2019, 01:42:08 PM »
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Its good as it but i would simplfy it:

Interrupt an evil or neutral card and protect your daniel heroes from evil cards and idols this turn.