Author Topic: kiss your defense goodbye. (Read 8902 times)

michael/michaelssword · « **on:** January 18, 2009, 09:14:22 PM »

suggestions?
Cards in deck: 56
Lost Souls: 8
   Lost Soul (discarder)
   Lost Soul (Female Only)
   Lost Soul (hopper)
   Lost Soul (punisher)
   Lost Soul (shame)
   Lost Soul (shuffler)
   Lost Soul (Wanderer)
   Lost Souls (2-line)

Lamb Dominants: 5
   Angel of the Lord
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   Harvest Time
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away

Fortresses: 2
   Chamber of Angels
   The Garden Tomb

Blue Sites: 1
   Hormah

Artifacts: 4
   Book of the Covenant
   Chariot of Fire
   Holy Grail
   Holy of Holies

Silver Covenant Cards: 2
   Covenant of Eden
   I am Justice

Green Covenant Cards: 1
   I am Patience

Blue Covenant Cards: 1
   I am Holy

Silver Heroes: 5
   Angel of the Harvest
   Captain of the Host
   Gabriel
   The Destroyer
   The Strong Angel

White Heroes: 3
   Jairus
   Mary the Mother of James
   Salome

Red Heroes: 1
   Jephthah

Green Heroes: 1
   Joanna

Blue Heroes: 1
   Mary Magdalene

Silver Hero Enhancements: 3
   Fire, Smoke, and Sulfur
   Flaming Sword
   Striking Herod

White Hero Enhancements: 4
   A Child is Born
   'He Is Risen'
   No Need for Spices
   Words of Encouragement

Crimson Evil Characters: 1
   King Zimri

Pale Green Evil Characters: 1
   Women as Snares

Gray Evil Characters: 1
   Emperor Otho

Brown Evil Characters: 1
   Uzzah

Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 3
   Lurking
   Lying Unto God
   Torment

Pale Green Evil Enhancements: 1
   Death of Unrighteous

Multi-Color Evil Characters:1
The Amelekites Slave

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #1 on:** January 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM »

I think 3 main things.

Your offense is very strong.
Your defense is very weak.
Your deck is not enough of a speed deck that you will consistently win before you lose.

Therefore, I think this deck is very susceptible to a bad draw (as defined by you drawing a lot of LSs early and your opponent not).

Gabe · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2009, 12:13:09 AM »

It's essentially the same as the other 12 or so Garden Tomb decks you have posted on the first two pages of the T1 deck section. What else is there to say?

JSB23 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2009, 12:46:50 AM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on January 19, 2009, 12:13:09 AM

It's essentially the same as the other 12 or so Garden Tomb decks you have posted on the first two pages of the T1 deck section. What else is there to say?

ouch

DaClock · « **Reply #4 on:** January 19, 2009, 01:48:42 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM

I think 3 main things.

Your offense is very strong.
Your defense is very weak.
Your deck is not enough of a speed deck that you will consistently win before you lose.

Therefore, I think this deck is very susceptible to a bad draw (as defined by you drawing a lot of LSs early and your opponent not).

I completely agree. I think it would help if you added in Hopper LS and maybe Harvest Time.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #5 on:** January 19, 2009, 07:23:58 AM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on January 19, 2009, 12:13:09 AM

It's essentially the same as the other 12 or so Garden Tomb decks you have posted on the first two pages of the T1 deck section. What else is there to say?

Yeah, I was getting a bit confused. What's with you and TGT anyway?

michael/michaelssword · « **Reply #6 on:** January 19, 2009, 09:23:24 AM »

Quote from: DaClock on January 19, 2009, 01:48:42 AM

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
I think 3 main things.

Your offense is very strong.
Your defense is very weak.
Your deck is not enough of a speed deck that you will consistently win before you lose.

Therefore, I think this deck is very susceptible to a bad draw (as defined by you drawing a lot of LSs early and your opponent not).

I completely agree. I think it would help if you added in Hopper LS and maybe Harvest Time.

what to take out? And yes the offense is somewhat the same I'm mainly experimenting with defense.

DaClock · « **Reply #7 on:** January 19, 2009, 02:33:52 PM »

I would recommend the following.
Out: Captain of the Host
I Am Justice
Victory

In: Three Nails
Hopper LS
Harvest Time

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** January 19, 2009, 02:36:38 PM »

I don't know how the heck you expect this defense to work.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #9 on:** January 19, 2009, 02:39:09 PM »

It isn't supposed to. Its supposed to d/c top of their deck, and maybe stop a rescue or two. Nothing more.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #10 on:** January 19, 2009, 02:41:26 PM »

Well, it could definitely be more compact.

Personally, if I were choosing defense, I would go with PG: Women as Snares, PotW, that 1/1 king, Confusion, and DoU (with maybe a couple other things).

michael/michaelssword · « **Reply #11 on:** January 19, 2009, 02:58:13 PM »

you really are'nt getting the point of it are you....

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 19, 2009, 06:49:55 PM »

I completely understand the point of the defense, but have you actually tried it? First of all, it isn't very often that you randomly discard something extremely valuable from your opp's deck (whereas with Confusion, you can choose exactly what to get rid of). Second, each of these characters are pretty much just one-time-use anyway, since you only have one capture and a suicide to your name. Third...I'm really tired and I forgot.

michael/michaelssword · « **Reply #13 on:** January 19, 2009, 06:56:05 PM »

yup I have beaten bye Gabe 5-4 Beaten bye Prof5-0 Has beaten Prof 5-4 Has Beaten Amelo 6-2 Has beaten Captain 6-4

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #14 on:** January 19, 2009, 07:43:14 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 19, 2009, 06:49:55 PM

I completely understand the point of the defense, but have you actually tried it? First of all, it isn't very often that you randomly discard something extremely valuable from your opp's deck (whereas with Confusion, you can choose exactly what to get rid of). Second, each of these characters are pretty much just one-time-use anyway, since you only have one capture and a suicide to your name. Third...I'm really tired and I forgot.

Have you ever played me? :-p I made someone add JT in their decks cuz the first turn of the first round of nationals, I killed his sog off his deck.

michael/michaelssword · « **Reply #15 on:** January 19, 2009, 07:51:59 PM »

to bad you didn't have mercy at Regionals

amelo · « **Reply #16 on:** January 19, 2009, 07:55:32 PM »

Caleb, have you faced a good crimson defense with Headquarters at Riblah yet???

michael/michaelssword · « **Reply #17 on:** January 19, 2009, 07:57:18 PM »

that my friend is where the Destroyer and covenant with Eden + CoA play their magic

amelo · « **Reply #18 on:** January 19, 2009, 08:00:15 PM »

oh, wow.

You pretty much have a counter for everthing

JSB23 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 19, 2009, 08:22:27 PM »

But what about KoT?

michael/michaelssword · « **Reply #20 on:** January 19, 2009, 08:36:26 PM »

AoTL and/or any of my arts that kill him if he kills me

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #21 on:** January 19, 2009, 08:46:53 PM »

Realistically if you draw a lot of LSs you're defense is too weak to stop you from losing. Therefore, I see 2 decent options.

#1 - forget about defense completely. Take out all 9 evil gold cards. Focus on making sure that you always have LSs to rescue. That means putting in Hopper, Harvest Time, and The Amalekite Slave. This will drop your deck to 50 cards so that you draw faster than your opponent and will also create 3 LSs.

#2 - beef up your defense. Take out the 6 cards that you use least often on offense, and replace them with more cards for your defense. That way you can stall long enough for your still powerful offense to win.

michael/michaelssword · « **Reply #22 on:** January 19, 2009, 08:57:02 PM »

lol back to being defenseless

michael/michaelssword · « **Reply #23 on:** January 19, 2009, 09:07:02 PM »

updie dated

Gabe · « **Reply #24 on:** January 19, 2009, 09:12:50 PM »

If you're going to race then GoYS and Falling Away are crucial. That's a potential 2 Lost Soul deficit for you that you can't afford.

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