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Cards in deck: 56
Lost Souls: 8
   Lost Soul (discarder)
   Lost Soul (Female Only)
   Lost Soul (hopper)
   Lost Soul (punisher)
   Lost Soul (shame)
   Lost Soul (shuffler)
   Lost Soul (Wanderer)
   Lost Souls (2-line)

Lamb Dominants: 5
   Angel of the Lord
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   Harvest Time
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away

Fortresses: 2
   Chamber of Angels
   The Garden Tomb

Blue Sites: 1
   Hormah

Artifacts: 4
   Book of the Covenant
   Chariot of Fire
   Holy Grail
   Holy of Holies

Silver Covenant Cards: 2
   Covenant of Eden
   I am Justice

Green Covenant Cards: 1
   I am Patience

Blue Covenant Cards: 1
   I am Holy

Silver Heroes: 5
   Angel of the Harvest
   Captain of the Host
   Gabriel
   The Destroyer
   The Strong Angel

White Heroes: 3
   Jairus
   Mary the Mother of James
   Salome

Red Heroes: 1
   Jephthah

Green Heroes: 1
   Joanna

Blue Heroes: 1
   Mary Magdalene

Silver Hero Enhancements: 3
   Fire, Smoke, and Sulfur
   Flaming Sword
   Striking Herod

White Hero Enhancements: 4
   A Child is Born
   'He Is Risen'
   No Need for Spices
   Words of Encouragement

Crimson Evil Characters: 1
   King Zimri

Pale Green Evil Characters: 1
   Women as Snares

Gray Evil Characters: 1
   Emperor Otho

Brown Evil Characters: 1
   Uzzah

Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 3
   Lurking
   Lying Unto God
   Torment

Pale Green Evil Enhancements: 1
   Death of Unrighteous

Multi-Color Evil Characters:1
        The Amelekites Slave

It's essentially the same as the other 12 or so Garden Tomb decks you have posted on the first two pages of the T1 deck section.  What else is there to say?

I think 3 main things.

Your offense is very strong.
Your defense is very weak.
Your deck is not enough of a speed deck that you will consistently win before you lose.

Therefore, I think this deck is very susceptible to a bad draw (as defined by you drawing a lot of LSs early and your opponent not).

I completely agree. I think it would help if you added in Hopper LS and maybe Harvest Time.

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM

I think 3 main things.

Your offense is very strong.
Your defense is very weak.
Your deck is not enough of a speed deck that you will consistently win before you lose.

Therefore, I think this deck is very susceptible to a bad draw (as defined by you drawing a lot of LSs early and your opponent not).

I completely agree. I think it would help if you added in Hopper LS and maybe Harvest Time.

what to take out? And yes the offense is somewhat the same I'm mainly experimenting with defense.

I don't know how the heck you expect this defense to work.

Well, it could definitely be more compact.

Personally, if I were choosing defense, I would go with PG: Women as Snares, PotW, that 1/1 king, Confusion, and DoU (with maybe a couple other things).

I completely understand the point of the defense, but have you actually tried it? First of all, it isn't very often that you randomly discard something extremely valuable from your opp's deck (whereas with Confusion, you can choose exactly what to get rid of). Second, each of these characters are pretty much just one-time-use anyway, since you only have one capture and a suicide to your name. Third...I'm really tired and I forgot.

I completely understand the point of the defense, but have you actually tried it? First of all, it isn't very often that you randomly discard something extremely valuable from your opp's deck (whereas with Confusion, you can choose exactly what to get rid of). Second, each of these characters are pretty much just one-time-use anyway, since you only have one capture and a suicide to your name. Third...I'm really tired and I forgot.

Have you ever played me? :-p I made someone add JT in their decks cuz the first turn of the first round of nationals, I killed his sog off his deck.

Caleb, have you faced a good crimson defense with Headquarters at Riblah yet???

oh, wow.

You pretty much have a counter for everthing

AoTL and/or any of my arts that kill him if he kills me

lol back to being defenseless 

If you're going to race then GoYS and Falling Away are crucial.  That's a potential 2 Lost Soul deficit for you that you can't afford.

theres 1 lol

This is just an updated version of an old deck.  Better players will know how to play their cards against it.

Sean

MJB, playing with more defense is dangerous because if you play against somebody that is also using that color then your Garden Tomb is completely worthless.

I'm talking about a considerably beefed up single-stop defense.  Right now, he's at 52 so you are talking about 10 cards to get you to 63. I would think something like the following

    Uzzah
    Trembling Demon
    King Zimri
    Emp. Otho

    Torment
    Death of Unrighteous
    Lying Unto God
    Love of Money

    Hormah

    Holy of Holies

would give you quite a bit of bang for the buck.

Why Death of Unrighteous?

I'm not really committed to that card, but my reasoning was as follows...

xCaLeBx has Women as Snares in his deck--and he really needs to keep it. If you add Death of Unrighteous, you can hope that you pull it first and can actually win a block with WoS. Of course that's if you draw it first, and if you get initiative with a 6/7, and then the ECs get shuffled... OK, that's not a good choice.

What about pulling DoU for another multi-color NT evil enhancement?  Maybe Dance of Death or something.

Why isn't anyone even considering E Ward? Does this deck not like using capture?

updie dated @MJB: why the heck would I use Love of money?

For the same reason you should ignore RR's suggestion of going with Lurking. (Sorry, RR.)

You aren't trying to win a battle using enhancements; you are trying to win the battle by discarding enhancements. Any of the multicolor NT enhancements can be discarded by both Zimri and Otho to fulfill their SA. So all you need is any enhancement plus either suicider.  (In this case although any NT Crimson EE would be enough, I would go with multi-color for the reason outlined below.)

Why isn't anyone even considering E Ward? Does this deck not like using capture?

Because I was trying to limit myself to 10 cards to fit into xCaLeBx's deck, and it feels to me that there are more heroes protected from capture than protected from discard. E. Warden is also limited to singleton human heroes. If your opponent bands or rescues with an Angel, you are out of luck.

If xCaLeBx were willing to sacrifice two offensive cards cards, I would swap in E. Warden and another multi-color NT enhancement.  Then you have enhancements that can be discarded to trigger Zimri's, Otho's, and E. Warden's SA.  Mix and match any enhancement for any blocker. Add in Torment to resurrect a discarded guy and you have a second block.

where is ET? and is'nt lurking NT?

If Warden goes in, add in Philosophy with him. ET can recur it.

The problem with Philosophy is that it is an OT EE, which makes it less useful with Otho. I'm also not sure xCaLeBx wants to "waste" a RA to retrieve a evil card, but I may be mis-apprehending his playing style.

where is ET? and is'nt lurking NT?

According to the REG, Lurking has a Psalms reference. I didn't verify that on the card, however.

Lurking is OT.  The evil side of Philosophy is also OT (good side is NT).

What Gabe said--instaposted.

True Story that Illustrates the Difference Between Gabe and Myself: Gabe knew beforehand that Philosophy was OT when played as an evil enhancement. I didn't figure that out until I was playing in a tournament and I tried to use it with Emp. Otho to discard all cards in battle. 

Quote from: xCaLeBx on January 20, 2009, 08:51:31 AM

updie dated @MJB: why the heck would I use Love of money?

For the same reason you should ignore RR's suggestion of going with Lurking. (Sorry, RR.)

No worries you are right, I forgot it is Psalms? Most AW cards are NT.