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Offline Sean

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City Of Enoch
« on: September 17, 2019, 10:56:58 AM »
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I am trying to wrap my head around the special ability for the Fortress side of City of Enoch.  What exactly does this accomplish?

"...protect opponent's Heroes from other Heroes"
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Re: City Of Enoch
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2019, 11:24:32 AM »
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I'm sure there is more to it than this, but very simply if the opponent's heroes are protected from other heroes, they can't be banded to.

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Re: City Of Enoch
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2019, 12:48:59 PM »
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It also stops the opponent from using things like Peter (Early Church) to heal their Heroes.

It's definitely not a "high impact" card in the general meta, but if someone wants to use the Antediluvian theme, it's a nice addition to that defense.
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Re: City Of Enoch
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2019, 12:53:52 PM »
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I would think it would also stop other heroes from placing enhancements on other heroes and stops increase abilities from other heroes.

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Re: City Of Enoch
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2019, 01:31:32 PM »
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I believe it also stops Pentecost and the like.
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Re: City Of Enoch
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2019, 01:33:55 PM »
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Might it also keep cards like your Benaiah (FoM) from negating his heroes?
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Re: City Of Enoch
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2019, 02:05:20 PM »
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Might it also keep cards like your Benaiah (FoM) from negating his heroes?

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Re: City Of Enoch
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2019, 02:21:21 PM »
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Might it also keep cards like your Benaiah (FoM) from negating his heroes?

Protect does not stop negates.

Nor modifiers. For example, even if I have City of Enoch in play my opponent's Noah's Wife still makes all of his Flood Survivors CBP.
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Re: City Of Enoch
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2019, 02:57:56 PM »
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Got it, thanks!
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Re: City Of Enoch
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2019, 03:41:29 PM »
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If this stops banding, isn't that really good with so much banding in top decks?
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Re: City Of Enoch
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2019, 04:21:13 PM »
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I mean, maybe. It slows down Throne notably - you can still Auto-Sam, but can't follow it up with a Sam-Saul-Abby-Dave. Doesn't do a ton versus CTB, except where those two overlap. It slows Flood a bit, I guess, since you can't Noah-Shem-Japheth, but other than that banding it doesn't do a ton (all of the wives still work through CoE - Noah's Wife is a modifier, Shem's, Ham's, and Japheth's are all conditions).
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Re: City Of Enoch
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2019, 09:23:44 PM »
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I mean, maybe. It slows down Throne notably - you can still Auto-Sam, but can't follow it up with a Sam-Saul-Abby-Dave. Doesn't do a ton versus CTB, except where those two overlap. It slows Flood a bit, I guess, since you can't Noah-Shem-Japheth, but other than that banding it doesn't do a ton (all of the wives still work through CoE - Noah's Wife is a modifier, Shem's, Ham's, and Japheth's are all conditions).

Why can’t it stop auto-Sam?  Auto is targeting a hero for exchange. This should qualify for the protect heroes from other heroes.
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Re: City Of Enoch
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2019, 09:30:25 PM »
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I mean, maybe. It slows down Throne notably - you can still Auto-Sam, but can't follow it up with a Sam-Saul-Abby-Dave. Doesn't do a ton versus CTB, except where those two overlap. It slows Flood a bit, I guess, since you can't Noah-Shem-Japheth, but other than that banding it doesn't do a ton (all of the wives still work through CoE - Noah's Wife is a modifier, Shem's, Ham's, and Japheth's are all conditions).

Why can’t it stop auto-Sam?  Auto is targeting a hero for exchange. This should qualify for the protect heroes from other heroes.

Pretty sure it’s because Sam isn’t in play yet, so he’s not “an opponents hero,” because opponents means own and control. Either that, or it’s another ability that just defaults to in play.
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Re: City Of Enoch
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2019, 11:15:38 PM »
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To be more specific: CoE won't stop Auto going to Sam in deck or hand, since the protect defaults to play. It would stop him from going to Sam in territory.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2019, 11:18:51 PM by Bobbert »
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