Author Topic: Negate in Discard? In Game (Read 4856 times)

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #25 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:38:47 PM »

SA's can break the usual rules and allow people to play cards in battle even when one side has "lost."

Once the SA's are done, and both players cannot do anything else, battle ends.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:39:09 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 20, 2009, 11:35:14 PM

Quote from: ejberkenpas22 on August 20, 2009, 11:34:10 PM
I would say no because there is no longer a battle going on. A battle involved two or more characters fighting each other. the WC character is discarded and gone. The battle ends because the Hero is the only on in battle.

Wrong. You can still play CM, you can still use Gates to add a character into battle, you can still use Madness, or Unknown Nation...

Battle isnt over till both players say it is.

Quote from: ChristianSoldier on August 20, 2009, 11:36:54 PM

However I can play an enhancement on ET when there is no Evil character blocking me, or an enhancement on my green brigade prophet with Hidden Treasures up, I see no reason why it wouldn't be the same if it was after the evil character died with something like Angel's Sword or Helmet of Brass

i was wrong about that...you guys are right. But that doesn't ruin my argument

Arch Angel · « **Reply #27 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:40:36 PM »

Quote from: ejberkenpas22 on August 20, 2009, 11:37:43 PM

Ok but battle over or not the Hero never gets initiative to play a card. The EC is dead, gone, asta la vista baby!

Like we said, you only get the chance if an SA GIVES you initiative.

Also, Guardian, I would say that yes, you could play Flaming sword to negate DoU and make your opponent cry.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #28 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:41:40 PM »

Another situation. I am blocked with a phillistine. I play a banding card to band in a Sibbechi (discard a phillistine) who has a converted 2kh on him.

I kill the phillistine then play next enhancement.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:41:59 PM »

Well the reason I am arguing this is because this is what I was told by my dad how these cards are played. Your arguments seems pretty reasonable and I am following what you are saying and am swayed a tincy bit but I still don't see how a card in the discard pile AKA out of play can be negated,,,especially because the Hero never gets initiative to play a card.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #30 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:43:09 PM »

Quote from: ejberkenpas22 on August 20, 2009, 11:41:59 PM

especially because the Hero never gets initiative to play a card.

All of our examples have shown how you CAN get initiative.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:48:16 PM »

the only example I saw that was legitimate was Angels Sword.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #32 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:49:15 PM »

Quote from: ejberkenpas22 on August 20, 2009, 11:48:16 PM

the only example I saw that was legitimate was Angels Sword.

Basically, any card that grants you first or next initiative (such as Angel's Sword) can be used to negate that card, as long as it says "negate last". A converted Two-Thousand Horses was also given as an example.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #33 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:55:06 PM »

He has been giving examples of how you can play cards when there are no EC's in battle. I am looking for examples of how to negate a DoU that is in the discard pile.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #34 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:57:13 PM »

Those are the same thing. I use my ability to play next after your EC is dead, and play a negate last.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #35 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:57:32 PM »

You could potentially negate a discarded card through Brass Helmet and The Throne of David, too

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:58:57 PM »

Well I am off to bed...not running away from this discussion because this is a good one! I see where you guys are coming from and I will look into this a little bit and get back here. You may very well be right and I am wrong, but I am deathly tired.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #37 on:** August 21, 2009, 12:00:38 AM »

Could you potentially use Gamaliel?

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Red • Ability: 2 / 6 • Class: None • Special Ability: Interrupt and prevent one enhancement used by an evil Pharisee or Sadducee. • Play As: Interrupt and prevent one enhancement used by an Evil Pharisee or Sadducee this battle.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #38 on:** August 21, 2009, 12:05:46 AM »

I don't think so.

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