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Placing a card in the discard pile removes it from play, but does not remove the ability to negate it by (1) interrupting the battle or (2) interrupting the last enhancement played in battle. However, a "negate last enhancement" negates the last enhancement regardless of its current state (in play, discard pile, converted to a character, etc.). -REG under Interrupt and Negate Last -Special Conditions

Axe - If used by a Babylonian, you may discard this card to discard a Fotress. Opponent may discard one of his Sites instead.

Blessings - Negate all special abilities on all characters and enhancements except this one. Battle is determined by the numbers.

Okay, rescue with White Hero, blocked by Crimson EC with Axe. Opponent discard Axe to discard a fortress, then plays a battle winner. I play Blessings. Is Axe negated?

A Negate all isn't a "Negate Last" or "interrupt the battle" and since abilities Default to in Play, Axe isn't negated.

It is an interrupt the battle by definition.

Well, you're not interrupting the battle, you're interrupting the special ability on the enhancement. Or does it amount to basically the same thing?

You can't interrupt a card that was discarded. Uzzah can't be interrupted, Death of Unrighteous, and all other cards like that. You can't negate and discard Covenant of Noah when it is used. Once a card is discarded it is out of play. The only way to negate it is if there were cards that say "negate the effect of the last card that was discarded" which would be a totally retarded SA.

Uzzah can be interupted...

If you somehow got initiative to play an enhancement (EG Angel's Sword) you certainly could interrupt those cards with either a "Negate last" or "interrupt the battle" ability.

As far as I'm aware, though, "Negate All" abilities default to in play. Does a banded in Captain of the Host negate a discarded enhancement?

No, the enhancement is discarded...and those cards cannot be negated. I am 99% positive they cannot be negated. By the time you get initiative to play a card Uzzah is gone, the EC Death of Unrighteous was played on is gone. Therefore there is nothing in play to be negated anymore. This is what I was told by my Dad when I asked him when it came up in a game once.

No, the enhancement is discarded...and those cards cannot be negated. I am 99% positive they cannot be negated. By the time you get initiative to play a card Uzzah is gone, the EC Death of Unrighteous was played on is gone. Therefore there is nothing in play to be negated anymore. This is what I was told by my Dad when I asked him when it came up in a game once.

I'm pretty sure if the card says "negate last enhancement", then you can negate an enhancement that's currently out-of-play (i.e. in the discard pile), because that was the last enhancement played.

From the REG  Instant Abilities > Interrupt or Negate Last

 Placing a card in the discard pile removes it from play, but does not remove the ability to negate it by (1) interrupting the battle or (2) interrupting the last enhancement played in battle. However, a "negate last enhancement" negates the last enhancement regardless of its current state (in play, discard pile, converted to a character, etc.).

The reason you can't negate Uzzah or cards like Death of Unrighteous is that the battle is usually over before you get initiative to negate anyway, but cards in the discard pile can be negated

But the fact is you don't get initiative. Death of Unrighteous discards your own EC's. They are gone, battle ends. When does the hero ever get initiative?

(A) Stan is a common abbreviation around here.
(B) I said if you had CTB'd with Judas Iscariot, making him protected from your OWN discard abilities. That has been ruled legal to do.

Like I said, through cards like Angel's Sword that give you initiative.

That is an interesting point. Here's the scenario:

WC Pale Green EC w/ 2K Horses blocks a Silver Hero with Angel's Sword. EC plays Death of Unrighteous off of 2K Horses and shuffles LS/discards EC. Would Angel's Sword give the Hero initiative to play Flaming Sword (WA version) which says "the effect of the last enhancement played is interrupted and prevented." ?

Typically tho, ejb is correct that you never get initiative to interrupt or negate.

I would say no because there is no longer a battle going on. A battle involved two or more characters fighting each other. the WC character is discarded and gone. The battle ends because the Hero is the only on in battle.

Wrong. You can still play CM, you can still use Gates to add a character into battle, you can still use Madness, or Unknown Nation...

Battle isnt over till both players say it is.

Ok but battle over or not the Hero never gets initiative to play a card. The EC is dead, gone, asta la vista baby!