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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2018, 05:01:54 PM »
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I wish I had seen this thread sooner!

Something to consider would be to do two player drafting similar to how MTG does their prerelease kits. Which is essentially give players a tin, or X number of fixed cards and X number of packs and build a deck from that.

I wish two player drafting had been a thing back in the day!
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2018, 05:03:27 PM »
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I wish I had seen this thread sooner!

Something to consider would be to do two player drafting similar to how MTG does their prerelease kits. Which is essentially give players a tin, or X number of fixed cards and X number of packs and build a deck from that.

I wish two player drafting had been a thing back in the day!

So like Sealed Deck... :scratch:
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2018, 06:18:48 PM »
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Gosh, I'm so excited for booster at nationals! Who is even gonna want to play t1 multi now?  ;D

Honestly t1-multi is a category I've never won. I might just to see if I can put that notch in my belt.  Plus winner promo's are always amazing so if I'm competing against a pool 8 or 88 I might take the 8.
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2018, 10:46:21 PM »
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So like Sealed Deck... :scratch:
Actually yes!

Sealed Deck has been out of vogue for a number of years (G/H days were prolly the last time it was a competitive category) maybe that could be a way to bring 2 player sealed categories back into competitive play.
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2018, 01:38:52 AM »
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I would have to double check when I'm home, but I'm pretty sure Sealed has been a fairly strong category at Nationals the last few years. It doesn't get played as much at smaller tournaments probably due to cost.
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2018, 01:44:43 AM »
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I would have to double check when I'm home, but I'm pretty sure Sealed has been a fairly strong category at Nationals the last few years. It doesn't get played as much at smaller tournaments probably due to cost.

I think the cost is less than booster draft but most of the time the value of cards is much less overall considering you usually get to draft 3-4 box packs. And imo but Oster Is way more interesting.
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2018, 02:00:25 AM »
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I would have to double check when I'm home, but I'm pretty sure Sealed has been a fairly strong category at Nationals the last few years. It doesn't get played as much at smaller tournaments probably due to cost.

I think the cost is less than booster draft but most of the time the value of cards is much less overall considering you usually get to draft 3-4 box packs. And imo but booster Is way more interesting.
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Sealed has always gotten some sort of following at Nats because it gets paired with lesser categories. Many players choose sealed instead of Type I Multi, Type II Multi, ect.

tripleplay is correct in that it doesn't get played at smaller tournies because booster has a greater variety of cards verses sealed. Players would rather get new cards or a variety of cards instead of half a starter and three old boosters they already have all the cards to. Cost is the same (or very close to the same) so that is a moot point. When players do super drafts or regular drafts with additional packs it costs way more then sealed does!

I think it might be worth exploring new official variations of "sealed" aka receiving sealed product and making a deck but no drafting, in addition to new variations of "booster draft".

Or... just scrapping traditional sealed deck altogether and making Sealed Categories "two player drafting" and "multi player drafting".
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2018, 02:08:12 AM »
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A two person draft does not have much appeal to me...you'll know exactly what cards your opponent is taking.
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2018, 02:10:48 AM »
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A two person draft does not have much appeal to me...you'll know exactly what cards your opponent is taking.
Sorry. It's hard to be clear with text sometimes. When I was referring to "two player drafting" I meant two player games.

Have one category where players do two player games and another category where players do multiplayer games. Drafting for both game types is done with 3 or more players at a table. The games themselves will have different player counts.

Basically what has been already declared a official game type. I'm suggesting that replaces traditional Sealed Deck or maybe another form of drafting, or a different sealed product is used for "sealed deck" instead of starter decks. I referenced MTG prerelease kits earlier as a example of what I'm thinking of.
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2018, 02:16:02 AM »
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A two person draft does not have much appeal to me...you'll know exactly what cards your opponent is taking.
You already know 50 of the cards your opponent has with traditional sealed deck ;)
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2018, 05:12:44 AM »
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8 person draft pods sounds really cool! It might be hard to implement at smaller tournaments but could be fun to try at Nationals.

If Travis & Rob concur, I would love to test this Pod-of-Up-to-8 drafting format. Just found a perfect online Randomizer that would group players into pods of 8, a process that the Berkenpass scorekeeper cannot do.

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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2018, 12:26:36 PM »
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To me, part of the strategy of drafting is evaluating what cards in the packs (particularly the first round of each pack) you need to take right away and what cards you might have passed back to you (in a 3 or 4 player draft). In an 8 person draft pod that aspect of the drafting strategy is more or less lost, which I would find disappointing.
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2018, 12:50:17 PM »
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8 player drafting sounds terrible to be honest (mostly for Guardian's reason).

As an aside, if 2 player booster draft (3-4 person draft; 2 player games) is something that's not going away anytime soon, I would strongly put forth the motion for allowing both 2 player booster and traditional booster (MP games) to be hosted at States and higher assuming both are not run simultaneously. I would gladly play both instead of something like any of the current categories offered on the last day.
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2018, 01:04:39 PM »
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Have you (Guardian and Master Q) drafted in an 8-person pod before?  That strategy you're talking about is not lost, as you will see your initial pack again.  In fact, I'd say it's even more impactful.  Knowing what cards are good to take P1 and understanding what will probably be left for P9 sets you up for a lot of success in signal reading/sending as well as understanding how to follow through on P2-8.  You're also going to see a lot more cards in total, so you can develop strategies and synergies in your draft pool that are much less likely to happen in a 4 person pod.

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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2018, 01:34:32 PM »
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Maybe we just have different draft strategy philosophies, (and there's nothing wrong with that), but I disagree with your assessment.

In a 4 person draft, I can look at my first pack and after my first pick, I usually try to identify 3-4 cards I would like to take in the second round (this is assuming 15 card box packs). I do the same for each pack in the first round and essentially keep a running list in my head of the cards I'd want in each pack. In an 8 person pod, I'm getting a brand new pack for the first 8 rounds. It would be pointless to try and figure out which 7 cards are most likely to be gone by the time the pack gets back to me. While I understand the point about getting to look at a wider pool of cards, I won't have any feel for what anyone else is drafting and therefore will be unable to make determinations about the value of cards in the later packs.

While I would be willing to try an 8 person draft at a small tournament (or even just for fun), I would oppose the idea of implementing it at the National tournament.
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2018, 03:45:07 PM »
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8 player draft pods are actually pretty cool. I've done this form of drafting with other card games before.

Justin, I think you're putting too much emphasis on knowing what cards are left in the packs and what other players are picking.

There is still a huge emphasis on deck building. Like JM said knowing that you only get one or two passes at a pack has a element of strategy that is just as strong as 3-4 player drafting.

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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2018, 05:16:45 PM »
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Very glad 2P option has came to drafting as I find it way funner to be honest.  8P pod drafting does not seem like something I personally would be for. I'd much rather it be 4 (or if you have 6 people 3/3, etc.).
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Re: 2-Player Booster Draft
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2018, 10:55:11 PM »
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We played with 3-4 player draft pods and it worked great. Likely what we will be using at Nationals.