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Who is the better Hero?!

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Matthew
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Author Topic: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew  (Read 3870 times)

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Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« on: April 03, 2015, 03:48:12 PM »
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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2015, 03:56:17 PM »
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If we're truly voting in a vacuum then I think Matthew is actually a better Hero. He lets you draw up to 2 more or recur something. That's always useful as opposed to peter's demon negation which only matters if the opponent is playing demons.

It's hard to vote in a vacuum, though, and TGT is so good which makes Peter really good. But I'm going with Matthew for the sake of what the voting is supposed to be about.

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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2015, 04:00:36 PM »
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Don't forget Four Drachma Coin for Peter, which is an insane card advantage.

Next, drawing one is actually more useful more often than you'd realize.  It doesn't activate FW, while still letting you draw, for instance.  With Matthew, it's 3 or nothing (generally), and his recur is frankly awful.

Also, don't scoff at negating demons.  Most demon abilities are not CBP, and this part of his ability has been vital in T2 play, in particular.  Additionally, Golgotha is going to help demons more generally, since there are lots of them as NT, so adding that negation does actually help.

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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2015, 04:02:13 PM »
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If we're truly voting in a vacuum then I think Matthew is actually a better Hero. He lets you draw up to 2 more or recur something. That's always useful as opposed to peter's demon negation which only matters if the opponent is playing demons.

It's hard to vote in a vacuum, though, and TGT is so good which makes Peter really good. But I'm going with Matthew for the sake of what the voting is supposed to be about.

In a vacuum they both draw 1, and Peter negates demons.  I think its a little silly to evaluate entirely in a vacuum.
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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2015, 04:03:36 PM »
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Don't forget Four Drachma Coin for Peter, which is an insane card advantage.

Next, drawing one is actually more useful more often than you'd realize.  It doesn't activate FW, while still letting you draw, for instance.  With Matthew, it's 3 or nothing (generally), and his recur is frankly awful.

Also, don't scoff at negating demons.  Most demon abilities are not CBP, and this part of his ability has been vital in T2 play, in particular.  Additionally, Golgotha is going to help demons more generally, since there are lots of them as NT, so adding that negation does actually help.
Matthew says up to X so you can draw 1 even if X is more than that, which just makes him more flexible than Peter imo. :P

How much negating demons helps doesn't change what I said, his negate is still useless if the opponent isn't playing any demons, haha.

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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2015, 04:04:40 PM »
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Don't forget Four Drachma Coin for Peter, which is an insane card advantage.

Next, drawing one is actually more useful more often than you'd realize.  It doesn't activate FW, while still letting you draw, for instance.  With Matthew, it's 3 or nothing (generally), and his recur is frankly awful.

Also, don't scoff at negating demons.  Most demon abilities are not CBP, and this part of his ability has been vital in T2 play, in particular.  Additionally, Golgotha is going to help demons more generally, since there are lots of them as NT, so adding that negation does actually help.
Matthew says up to X so you can draw 1 even if X is more than that, which just makes him more flexible than Peter imo. :P

How much negating demons helps doesn't change what I said, his negate is still useless if the opponent isn't playing any demons, haha.

In order to have Matthew draw more than 1, you have to take him out of a vacuum because you need other disciples in play.
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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2015, 04:10:31 PM »
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That's not entirely true. Even in a vacuum Matthew has the potential to draw more than Peter and recur something if those conditions are met.

Peter has no potential on his own card other than drawing 1 and negating demons. His greatness is entirely due to cards that give him more power. Matthew gives himself more power with other cards.

That's all I'm saying.

I fully agree that Peter is a better Hero when combined with support cards. But I didn't think that's what this contest was going for?

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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2015, 04:16:43 PM »
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You aren't getting his point.  The potential for Matthew to draw comes from you using more Disciples and getting them out.  The potential for Peter to draw from 4DC and ignore through TGT comes from you using those cards and getting them out.

You said that Peter's qualities above don't count because we are looking in a vacuum.  In a vacuum, there also aren't other Disciples in play.

You can't have it both ways, either you look at the support both have or neither ;)

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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2015, 04:34:45 PM »
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Did you even read my last post? Because it doesn't seem like you did, lol.

I fully understand his point, but I don't think you're getting mine. Matthew, by himself, draws 1 card. This is the same as Peter. Peter also negates demons. Those are the facts. These are not in dispute.

Matthew also contains, printed on his card, the potential for other effects. Peter does not. Even in a vacuum Matthew still has this potential, it's just not currently being met. Peter still does not. This has nothing to do with other, outside support cards, I'm referring specifically to the active and potential abilities printed on the 2 cards.

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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2015, 04:41:35 PM »
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Did you even read my last post? Because it doesn't seem like you did, lol.

I fully understand his point, but I don't think you're getting mine. Matthew, by himself, draws 1 card. This is the same as Peter. Peter also negates demons. Those are the facts. These are not in dispute.

Matthew also contains, printed on his card, the potential for other effects. Peter does not. Even in a vacuum Matthew still has this potential, it's just not currently being met. Peter still does not. This has nothing to do with other, outside support cards, I'm referring specifically to the active and potential abilities printed on the 2 cards.

...I definitely read your post, not sure if you read mine.  The 'vacuum' point does not make sense.  What is printed on Matthew has absolutely ZERO additional potential in a vacuum... without other cards... so it is exactly the same as being able to make use of other cards for comparison to Peter.  Both cards are better when other cards are out, but you cannot compare one with his support without doing the same with the other.

I guess we just have to disagree, because your logic does not make any sense, sorry.

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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2015, 04:50:52 PM »
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Well I'm not sure how to explain it any more clearly, lol.

In the end it doesn't really matter as this is just a popularity contest. People will vote for who they want regardless of the reasoning you or I could give for one or the other of the choices.

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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2015, 06:55:59 PM »
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Peter is clearly the better Hero.
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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2015, 03:03:14 AM »
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An interrupt convert from matthew in purple could change my vote but that doesn't exisist. Peter has to take this one. . . Ehh TGT.
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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2015, 03:11:16 PM »
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I would have voted Matthew if it wasn't for foreign wives. Good bye Matty Ice.

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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2015, 03:42:56 PM »
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I would have voted Matthew if it wasn't for foreign wives. Good bye Matty Ice.
Matthew says "up to" so he's only affected by Foreign Wives if you choose badly. :P

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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2015, 07:10:30 PM »
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Yeah but I will pass on a draw one everyday, might as well attack with someone else.

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Re: Round 2 Purple- 1. Peter vs 5. Matthew
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2015, 08:13:30 PM »
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Yeah but I will pass on a draw one everyday, might as well attack with someone else.
....Peter is also a draw 1....

 


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