Author Topic: Redemption Hall of Fame voting for 2009 (Read 42697 times)

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #50 on:** December 23, 2009, 12:19:32 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 23, 2009, 12:02:23 PM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 23, 2009, 11:19:09 AM
Gee, isn't this fun? How about a Hall of Blame next?
or a Hall of Lame... wait, what?

Quote from: STAMP on December 23, 2009, 12:06:22 PM

A Hall of Flame for these boards. $:-\$

In any of these cases, I nominate myself.

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I agree with STAMP in the definition of Hall of Fame. Voting on active players will always lead to bias. I would vote for Roy because he is the only one I have actually met, and also for Gabe just because he looks like Adonijah.

Sports do not vote active players into the Hall for a reason. If they did, then players like Fernando Valenzeula and Dwight Gooden would have been locks. Instead, this type of voting only leads to the bickering that we have in this thread about who created what achetype. Seriously, should Nolan Ryan not be included in the Baseball Hall of Fame because he didn't invent the fastball?

Gabe · « **Reply #51 on:** December 23, 2009, 01:03:14 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 23, 2009, 12:19:32 PM

Seriously, should Nolan Ryan not be included in the Baseball Hall of Fame because he didn't invent the fastball?

I invented the fastball. Nolan Ryan only perfected it.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #52 on:** December 23, 2009, 01:26:11 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on December 23, 2009, 10:21:07 AM

Don't most Halls of Fame, if not all, require that the entrant be out of the game for awhile?

Now I understand why you announced your retirement, STAMP. That was fairly devious, even for you. Well played.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #53 on:** December 23, 2009, 01:27:13 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on December 23, 2009, 12:06:22 PM

A Hall of Flame for these boards. $:-\$

that was win. but Colin's banned now... ... ... $:-\$

STAMP · « **Reply #54 on:** December 23, 2009, 01:28:00 PM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on December 23, 2009, 01:03:14 PM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 23, 2009, 12:19:32 PM
Seriously, should Nolan Ryan not be included in the Baseball Hall of Fame because he didn't invent the fastball?

I invented the fastball. Nolan Ryan only perfected it.

Who perfected it?

Randy Johnson Hits A Bird

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #55 on:** December 23, 2009, 02:25:48 PM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on December 23, 2009, 01:03:14 PM

Nolan Ryan only perfected it.

Some would say Bob Feller perfected it. We are still biased by proximity. Regardless, a handful of other players had a 100-mph fastball and yet have no chance of being in the Hall (Billy Koch for example).

If we want a true Hall of Fame, then only players/contributors who are no longer a part of Redemption would qualify. Is Ron Sias no longer in Redemption? If yes, the he gets my vote. Anyone that can win that many titles using cards from the first few sets must be a legend. For contributors, isn't Doug Gray out of the scene? If so, then he also gets my vote. His name is on many of the cards as an artist, he started a website for buying singles, his prices were a standard for trading, and he was the tournament guru for some time.

Are there others that have similar credentials? Sure. Are the others still involved in playing/contributing? If so, then they should not be on the ballot. Otherwise we will not have a Hall of Fame, but only a Corridor of Superlatives.

STAMP · « **Reply #56 on:** December 23, 2009, 04:31:32 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 23, 2009, 02:25:48 PM

For contributors, isn't Doug Gray out of the scene? If so, then he also gets my vote.

lightningninja · « **Reply #57 on:** December 23, 2009, 04:55:44 PM »

Guys, if you have problems with this voting process don't do it. It's Prof Underwood's idea and you should respect that he has a way he wants to do it. It's not an official thing with Cactus it's a REALLY COOL thing Prof Underwood did by himself. If you want it changed make a new "change the game hall of fame" on your own time, but stop wasting space in this thread for your useless criticisms.

Also, I have NO idea why everyone says a hall of fame is for people who changed the game only. Emmit Smith is in the Hall of Fame because he did the exact same thing everyone else did BETTER than almost everyone else did. Yeah, Barry Sanders is possibly the inventor of the modern day spin move, but he's in the hall of fame because he got a rookie of the year award, at least one MVP, and has the most consecutive games with over 100 yards. He also stayed on the top for about 10 years.

So to say Ron Sias shouldn't be in the hall of fame because he didn't "do something to change the game," you've got to be kidding me.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #58 on:** December 23, 2009, 05:01:00 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on December 23, 2009, 04:55:44 PM

....but stop wasting space in this thread for your useless criticisms.

Irony

lightningninja · « **Reply #59 on:** December 23, 2009, 05:02:01 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 23, 2009, 05:01:00 PM

Quote from: lightningninja on December 23, 2009, 04:55:44 PM
....but stop wasting space in this thread for your useless criticisms.

Irony

Double Irony.

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #60 on:** December 23, 2009, 05:02:29 PM »

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You'd know better than anyone how long and hard Clift worked on the SitC deck to bring it to perfection. Although I sent him a PM with questions about the deck he didn't get it. It wasn't until between rounds at Nationals when you called him and put us on the phone together that I ever got to talk to Clift about it.

Wow I did not know that or forgot about it. Even more props then for playing that deck how you did.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #61 on:** December 23, 2009, 11:53:25 PM »

i vote for gabe

JSB23 · « **Reply #62 on:** December 24, 2009, 12:03:27 PM »

In my mind no one is more deserving of being here than Bill Voigt

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #63 on:** December 24, 2009, 12:27:54 PM »

I can't even take this thread seriously if Wild Bill is not on the roster.

STAMP · « **Reply #64 on:** December 24, 2009, 01:35:48 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 24, 2009, 12:27:54 PM

I can't even take this thread seriously if Wild Bill is not on the roster.

We can't take this thread seriously if Wild Bill IS on the roster.

But seriously, if we draw straws I'm sure he'll make it in.

Master KChief · « **Reply #65 on:** December 24, 2009, 03:13:34 PM »

this list is seriously missing alot of heavy contenders.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #66 on:** December 24, 2009, 03:26:21 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on December 24, 2009, 03:13:34 PM

this list is seriously missing alot of heavy contenders.

At 230 pounds, I may qualify as a heavy contender, but I certainly don't belong in Hall of Fame voting.

SirNobody · « **Reply #67 on:** December 24, 2009, 03:49:56 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: Master KChief on December 24, 2009, 03:13:34 PM

this list is seriously missing alot of heavy contenders.

A legitimate argument can be made that Bill Voigt, Eric Largent, and Kevin Shride should be on the lists. I can't think of any other player, not on the list, that would have a serious shot at finishing top 4 in voting.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

SirNobody · « **Reply #68 on:** December 24, 2009, 04:04:31 PM »

Hey,

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I would vote for ... Gabe just because he looks like Adonijah.

This type of voting is the reason the best player in college football (Ndamukong Suh) didn't win the Heisman this year

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 23, 2009, 12:19:32 PM

I agree with STAMP in the definition of Hall of Fame. Voting on active players will always lead to bias.

Sports do not vote active players into the Hall for a reason.

I agree that voting on active players is problematic. But if we eliminate active players from consideration only three of the sixteen names on Prof's list would still be eligible, that is also problematic. Perhaps a requirement that their career started at least five years ago would work as a compromise? (of course all that would do to the players list is eliminate Gabe

)

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Lawfuldog · « **Reply #69 on:** December 24, 2009, 04:29:15 PM »

Gabe and Justin have my votes. Though I agree with those who have been stating that there is quite a few other players who deserve mentioning.

Reasoning has basically been stated earlier on in the thread, and thus does not need repeating.

And I saw my name in a post, thank you Gabe.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #70 on:** December 24, 2009, 09:35:41 PM »

Wild Bill should most def be on there. I'd vote for him.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #71 on:** December 24, 2009, 09:37:34 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on December 24, 2009, 04:04:31 PM

I agree that voting on active players is problematic. But if we eliminate active players from consideration only three of the sixteen names on Prof's list would still be eligible, that is also problematic.

I see that as a solution, not a problem.

New Raven BR · « **Reply #72 on:** December 26, 2009, 11:22:47 PM »

several of the guys listed i know of:
gabe, justin,rob, doug, bany, andtim maly
i vote for all those guys

gabe cause: he's been one of my supporters, is a multi-time national champ,a great player to go to for help and a great player period, and also a wonderful friend to me even if i had my good times and bad times

Justin cause: he's just that awesome

tim maly: cause he's a great player and gave us the infamous moment of "The Kiss" XD along with gabe

Rob cause: he made the game for what it is and if it wasn't for him i wouldn't be on these boards or even have as much friends as i do from all over the country

doug cause: he's a fair guy and deserves a place in the Redemption hall of fame

bany cause: he's the heart and soul of the redemption community in minnesota and the reason why it's such a red hot game in the state of Minnesota and i do wish he could move to other states where redemption is cold so the entire country could also become as hot as it in in Minnesota

Master KChief · « **Reply #73 on:** December 26, 2009, 11:29:35 PM »

surprised to not see kory lentine on the list, considering he was a huge contributor to the game and also retired. his brother-in-law should also be on the list, but his name escapes me (jason something i think?), as they both were huge contributors to the game not just in KC, but as a whole as well.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #74 on:** December 27, 2009, 03:45:40 PM »

Andy, you need to read the rules before you vote. 4 max.

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Author Topic: Redemption Hall of Fame voting for 2009 (Read 42697 times)

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