Author Topic: First Impressions on the New Set (Read 22056 times)

Master KChief · « **Reply #100 on:** August 22, 2011, 01:39:23 PM »

genesis also has good searchers within their theme, such as numerous as the stars, stone pillar, etc.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #101 on:** August 22, 2011, 01:41:40 PM »

Search is what made genesis so good. This drawing it has now is just overkill.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #102 on:** August 22, 2011, 01:50:42 PM »

It couldn't draw without initiative though (Well Reopened is lame). The draws that are out of hand are the D3heroes, 1Turn set asides, and interrupt D3.

Searching is a good point. Green and Blue were by no means fast offenses. Now Blue has a decent draw ability.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #103 on:** August 22, 2011, 01:54:27 PM »

Genesis was fast. Theres a reason that in type ban with drawing depowered that Genesis was cetralizing the meta with thier searching.

Gabe · « **Reply #104 on:** August 22, 2011, 02:00:53 PM »

And Zebulun, Eve and Stone Pillar at Bethel. I agree that Genesis wasn't slow, unless your basis for comparison is the top decks from the past three years.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #105 on:** August 22, 2011, 02:08:32 PM »

Okay, so Genesis wasn't slow, but it certainly wasn't fast.

Quote from: Gabe on August 22, 2011, 02:00:53 PM

I agree that Genesis wasn't slow, unless your basis for comparison is the top decks from the past three years.

Yes, it is. Also, three? Try 7ish. I don't know when old school speed came about, but there's no way Genesis could keep up with that.

Gabe · « **Reply #106 on:** August 22, 2011, 02:11:49 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 22, 2011, 02:08:32 PM

Yes, it is. Also, three? Try 7ish. I don't know when old school speed came about, but there's no way Genesis could keep up with that.

If you go back 4 years, Genesis won T1-2P at the 2008 Nationals. Speed decks like the 2007 Nationals winning deck were around but apparently Genesis/Rome was able to keep up.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #107 on:** August 22, 2011, 02:22:18 PM »

Genesis was not considered a top deck in 2008 until Tim won.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #108 on:** August 22, 2011, 02:25:48 PM »

Genesis was top percentage in t2 from FOOF to TXP.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #109 on:** August 22, 2011, 02:52:59 PM »

My Joseph is in the top percent of all Josephs.

Smokey · « **Reply #110 on:** August 22, 2011, 03:28:35 PM »

I can't quote that far back, but I'm curious to know if this was one of the most heavily tested sets why does Gates of Samaria have only two counters for evil that are itself and the other Gates.
If there are any others I'm unaware of I'd like to know them, but I haven't been able to find any.

For Red's viability as a solo brigade, I don't see it.

The one draw 3 is nice, but you have to band him into 2 other character or he does almost nothing, which leaves you vulnerable to to things like Joseph in Prison (which I expect to see a lot of this season because Joseph makes it CBN). Splashing with Teal and Purple fixes this problem much better than doing red OT banding chains.

When I first saw Foreign sword, I thought it would be one of the best cards of the new set because it denies 1 drawn card every turn. When I actually played with it the character I put it on ended up dying so quick I hardly ever got to use it not to mention that only 4 red characters can hold it, and most of the time kept it in my hand to use as a battle winner or negate. Teal solves this problem with Priest at Nob.

Ahimelek was probably the most complained about card after release of the set, and then he dies instantly to Gates of Samaria. The protect from capture is really nice and was greatly needed for Red so I'm glad that happened. Splashing with Purple is what makes him really good... King Amazing is just that... Amazing.

Uriah just dies upon entering battle if you're using the Ahimelek David combo, and his CBN discard ability makes him practically useless when David's Bravery gets CBN just from David being in play. I don't see him being worth a slot when he gets CBN killed by Jezebel + King Ahaz + Wickedness of the Tenants. Plagued with Diseases says Hi.

In conclusion, Peter + Coin is still better than the new drawing character since he can use TGT, won't die to Gates of Samaria, and can use Herod's Temple.
Uriah gets out shined by David just being around, and Ahimelek is best used with Purple.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #111 on:** August 25, 2011, 12:07:29 PM »

Uriah gets pretty sick with David's harp. It's like drawing an out of battle AotL every turn. RA with Uriah, CBN discard (Jael's Nail, David's Bravery, etc), pop another EC (unless there's a protect fortress, but anyone using this combo will have one of dozens of ways to get rid of that), David's Harp, wash rinse repeat.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #112 on:** August 25, 2011, 01:22:29 PM »

Silly Kittens, Uriah isn't for discarding ECs, he's for combos.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #113 on:** August 25, 2011, 03:35:05 PM »

I first want to agree with all who said that Genesis was not slow to begin with. I played rather extensively with a Genesis offense in T1 2 seasons ago and it was able to keep up with TGT decks.

As far as evaluating the new expansion, I like what I see so far. There are so many playable cards that it is taking me awhile to sort through them all to decide what to build my strategies off of. In past seasons it was a quicker process for me. Now that may be more of a byproduct of me taking a year off and trying to get caught up on Disciples at the same time, but I still think the new set has alot of great options it brings to the table.

From a defensive player's perspective, 2 years ago if you put any offense heavy deck against one of a few large defensive decks, the offense deck would either lose in the first few turns if the offense could punch through quickly or the defense deck would prevent the offense from getting 5. I rarely saw an exception to that rule. And to be frank, there weren't any offenses that really worried a defensive player such as myself. With this expansion, however, it seems to me that offenses by and large are more of a force to be reckoned with than in past years. It is mildly frustrating from my perspective as a defensive player but I also view it as a good challenge. Whether it is good for the game or not remains to be seen as the season progresses.

Just my two cents.

Kirk

SomeKittens · « **Reply #114 on:** August 25, 2011, 04:14:21 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 25, 2011, 01:22:29 PM

Silly Kittens, Uriah isn't for discarding ECs, he's for combos.

I like mine pizza flavored.

lightningninja · « **Reply #115 on:** August 25, 2011, 06:35:11 PM »

Quote from: Smokey on August 22, 2011, 03:28:35 PM

For Red's viability as a solo brigade, I don't see it.

One Word: Abigail. That is basically the solo reason red has become awesome. She is red, so you don't need to splash purple (although I like to), and almost always draws 3 unless you're first turning her. Also, wheel within a wheel can get her out faster, or win a battle if you search for ahimalek.

And honestly I don't see the threat of brown. I think it's going to end up complained about all the time but not actually that great. It requires at least a little bit of setup, and red/purple is fast enough now that I will have already won.

Smokey · « **Reply #116 on:** August 25, 2011, 08:18:50 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on August 25, 2011, 06:35:11 PM

Quote from: Smokey on August 22, 2011, 03:28:35 PM
For Red's viability as a solo brigade, I don't see it.
One Word: Abigail. That is basically the solo reason red has become awesome. She is red, so you don't need to splash purple (although I like to), and almost always draws 3 unless you're first turning her. Also, wheel within a wheel can get her out faster, or win a battle if you search for ahimalek.

And honestly I don't see the threat of brown. I think it's going to end up complained about all the time but not actually that great. It requires at least a little bit of setup, and red/purple is fast enough now that I will have already won.

New Abby is purple bro, her enhancement is red/purple.

Gates of Samaria is best used to wipe defenses, and works especially well with tgt.
Realized Tower of Thebez is also a protective counter to Gates but loltower.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #117 on:** August 25, 2011, 08:31:28 PM »

Gates is Waaay better than Tower. Spoilered cards are always n00bish.

The M · « **Reply #118 on:** August 25, 2011, 09:28:14 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on August 25, 2011, 08:31:28 PM

Spoilered cards are always n00bish.

Hosea, Fishing Boat, Grapes, and TGT? lolwat?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #119 on:** August 25, 2011, 09:52:56 PM »

Hosea's meh, Boat's overhyped (I rarely used it at nats), I didn't know Grapes was spoilered, and who uses TGT?

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #120 on:** August 25, 2011, 09:55:03 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on August 25, 2011, 09:52:56 PM

Hosea's meh, Boat's overhyped (I rarely used it at nats), I didn't know Grapes was spoilered, and who uses TGT?

Erm, The Natz Champ, The 2009 Natz Champ, the 2011 Runner-Up, etc.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #121 on:** August 25, 2011, 09:58:35 PM »

But not the 2010 Nats Champ. What a noob.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #122 on:** August 25, 2011, 10:00:29 PM »

(FYI, up until Nats, I used TGT, albeit in a Disciples deck). I guess my sarcasm wasn't heavy enough.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #123 on:** August 25, 2011, 10:02:07 PM »

Nah, it was. I just figured I'd inform the masses who didn't know

Josh · « **Reply #124 on:** August 28, 2011, 12:34:32 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 25, 2011, 01:22:29 PM

Silly Kittens, Uriah isn't for discarding ECs, he's for playing Trumpet and Sword with a Tabernacle Priest in play and wiping out your opponent's entire defense CBN.

Helped you out with that one

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