Based on information from other threads, here are some speculations people have provided.
-Set may be Revelation-themed.
-Set may be Job-themed.
I had a thought that if you take the first letter of each word in the codename (Move Over Bacon, so M.O.B.) you can come up with other phrases that could be the set name. My best one from that is "Multitude of Believers" which could mean more clay support, or could reinforce the Revelation idea.
Please feel free to post your ideas in this thread! I'll keep the first 3 posts updated with all the confirmed information we get. And Land of Redemption will undoubtedly be revealing cards in the coming months that I will also add here. :D
Based on information from other threads, here are some speculations people have provided.
-Set may be Revelation-themed.
-Set may be Job-themed.
I had a thought that if you take the first letter of each word in the codename (Move Over Bacon, so M.O.B.) you can come up with other phrases that could be the set name. My best one from that is "Multitude of Believers" which could mean more clay support, or could reinforce the Revelation idea.
Please feel free to post your ideas in this thread! I'll keep the first 3 posts updated with all the confirmed information we get. And Land of Redemption will undoubtedly be revealing cards in the coming months that I will also add here. :D
M.O.B.---> mob---> angry mob
Angry mob themed set confirmed.
-Set may be Revelation-themed.Whoa!
-Set may be Job-themed.Whoa!
I had a thought that if you take the first letter of each word in the codename (Move Over Bacon, so M.O.B.) you can come up with other phrases that could be the set name. My best one from that is "Multitude of Believers" which could mean more clay support, or could reinforce the Revelation idea.Whoa!
Aren't you supposed to keep "potential spoilers" to the other thread?
Well sounds like we have an angry mob set confirmed
-Set may be Revelation-themed.Whoa!-Set may be Job-themed.Whoa!I had a thought that if you take the first letter of each word in the codename (Move Over Bacon, so M.O.B.) you can come up with other phrases that could be the set name. My best one from that is "Multitude of Believers" which could mean more clay support, or could reinforce the Revelation idea.Whoa!
That's three woes for those who are counting.
I just had a very amusing thought... purely because the new set is speculated by some to be Revelation.... What if all these were cards from the new set put out this way to get more player input. that would be hilarious. lol
Too bad there's not more green/white heroes......
Sweet art, sweet name, generic, involves music, low numbers. The Traveler could've had no ability and I still would've been tempted to use him. 8)
Fearless Watchman deck, here we go! Too bad there's not more green/white heroes......
Surely white can be added to Paul :thumbup:? It's too bad the Regionals promo doesn't fit; could've had a deck that uses all the new promos.
I don't think it would be a huge stretch to add white. Praise from prison anyone?
Just two more would be great. :angel:
There definitely isn't a single green/white Hero in Move Over Bacon.
Sweet art, sweet name, generic, involves music, low numbers. The Traveler could've had no ability and I still would've been tempted to use him. 8)
Fearless Watchman deck, here we go! Too bad there's not more green/white heroes......
Surely white can be added to Paul :thumbup:? It's too bad the Regionals promo doesn't fit; could've had a deck that uses all the new promos.
There definitely isn't a single green/white Hero in Move Over Bacon.
There definitely isn't a single green/white Hero in Move Over Bacon.yeah, not a single one. only a good half dozen. lol
Just two more would be great. :angel:
You just need to make your custom Nats winner card be "Isaiah's Lament" or "Song of Habakkuk" or something like that. Make sure it is mono-white so that the prophet can only use it if they are reprinted Green/White ;)
Or just reprint an Isaiah in green/white right off the bat... Giving me an idea:
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This would make my deck so much easier to run. Angel o' his Presence and Fearless Traveler? Yes. ;)
Well it looks like I'm bringing back musicians to the third nationals I will be attending ;D ;D ;D One day they will succeed!
Well it looks like I'm bringing back musicians to the third nationals I will be attending ;D ;D ;D One day they will succeed!
I'm fairly certain the Elders put Twenty-four musicians in Move over Bacon. Music enthusiast will be thrilled!
Well it looks like I'm bringing back musicians to the third nationals I will be attending ;D ;D ;D One day they will succeed!
I'm fairly certain the Elders put Twenty-four musicians in Move over Bacon. Music enthusiast will be thrilled!
Might those Musicians be Elders as well? *poke poke hint hint*
Might those Musicians be Elders as well? *poke poke hint hint*
Maybe... ::)
Bravo to the playtesters for implementing a Middle Earth CCG style sideboard mechanic! That was by and far one of my favorite mechanics from the game!!!
Any particular reason the number 10 was chosen instead of 15 or 20, for example? And if you guys don't mind me asking... who was the one who brought forth the idea?
Is it combined with your deck when determining good/evil balance? Or must both be balance unto themselves? For example, could a t2 deck have 35 good cards, 45 evil cards, (20 neutral cards) and then 10 good cards in the reserve? Or would the deck have to be legal on its own as well as in a 40/40 split? And if so, could you still have 10 good cards in the reserve? Or would it also have to be 5/5 or similar?
Not a fan of mid-game sideboards, especially because it only works with the new cards.
but only new cards can get stuff out of it, so it limits what types of decks can use it. although, there will probably be a few cards that can interact with the reserve and be universal, like an artifact or splashable character. I can't imagine that they would just leave older decks in the dust for newer decks.Not a fan of mid-game sideboards, especially because it only works with the new cards.Except that most likely you'll stack it with old cards since they are the ones that are more deck specific.
but only new cards can get stuff out of it, so it limits what types of decks can use it. although, there will probably be a few cards that can interact with the reserve and be universal, like an artifact or splashable character. I can't imagine that they would just leave older decks in the dust for newer decks.Not a fan of mid-game sideboards, especially because it only works with the new cards.Except that most likely you'll stack it with old cards since they are the ones that are more deck specific.
but only new cards can get stuff out of it, so it limits what types of decks can use it. although, there will probably be a few cards that can interact with the reserve and be universal, like an artifact or splashable character. I can't imagine that they would just leave older decks in the dust for newer decks.Not a fan of mid-game sideboards, especially because it only works with the new cards.Except that most likely you'll stack it with old cards since they are the ones that are more deck specific.
Updated with the new information about the set from today's announcement, which officially made today the best birthday in recent memory because yay new set announcement!! :D
I'd like to see some Angel stuff (like the Seals/Trumpets/Bowls), Angels and maybe a John reprint.
I'd like to see some Angel stuff (like the Seals/Trumpets/Bowls), Angels and maybe a John reprint.
Sorry to disappoint you - These things didn't quite make the cut, there's so much material in the book.
I'd like to see some Angel stuff (like the Seals/Trumpets/Bowls), Angels and maybe a John reprint.
Sorry to disappoint you - These things didn't quite make the cut, there's so much material in the book.
Those are the main things of the book. Why wouldn't they be in there? (Especially when Trumps 1-6 are horrible representations and just terrible cards and the Seals are a mixed bag, with 4 still being bad and only 3 being kinda good.)
That and there should be Angel stuff in there. It's Revelation, I'd expect barely any Clay cards not a lack of Silver.
I'd like to see some Angel stuff (like the Seals/Trumpets/Bowls), Angels and maybe a John reprint.
Sorry to disappoint you - These things didn't quite make the cut, there's so much material in the book.
Those are the main things of the book. Why wouldn't they be in there? (Especially when Trumps 1-6 are horrible representations and just terrible cards and the Seals are a mixed bag, with 4 still being bad and only 3 being kinda good.)
That and there should be Angel stuff in there. It's Revelation, I'd expect barely any Clay cards not a lack of Silver.
We chose to really focus in on the 7 letters. It's not Revelation - It's Revelation of John. ;)
I would expect you guys when making a Revelation set to do more then just look at the letters and that's it. =(. Well there goes my hope for some actually good stuff coming to Angels then. *sigh*
I would expect you guys when making a Revelation set to do more then just look at the letters and that's it. =(. Well there goes my hope for some actually good stuff coming to Angels then. *sigh*
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Especially when Trumps 1-6 are horrible representations and just terrible cards
Especially when Trumps 1-6 are horrible representations and just terrible cards
There's a good chance you might want to make sure you own a copy of those "bad" trumpet cards found in warriors. Just sayin'. ::)
Especially when Trumps 1-6 are horrible representations and just terrible cards
There's a good chance you might want to make sure you own a copy of those "bad" trumpet cards found in warriors. Just sayin'. ::)
YES!!! My random mini collection of the old Trumpets and Seals was worth it! Though, you can't put them all in reserve in type 2.Especially when Trumps 1-6 are horrible representations and just terrible cards
There's a good chance you might want to make sure you own a copy of those "bad" trumpet cards found in warriors. Just sayin'. ::)
If you don't, you might want to reserve a few... ::)
Angel's Sword is going to be the boss now! Woohoo!!!
The only concern it gives me is it could become an incentive to not make new Trumpets.
The Seven TrumpetBlowersSounders that I spoiled above
And we always love finding ways to make old cards useful again. Especially ones that people consider "bad".And this is why Redemption is great.
Sorry to double post, but I'm just too excited not to post this right away: Box art for RoJ revealed on Facebook!
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Sorry to double post, but I'm just too excited not to post this right away: Box art for RoJ revealed on Facebook!
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Wait until you see the Hero it's on!
The only concern it gives me is it could become an incentive to not make new Trumpets.
There will be other trumpet cards in the set, but...
Let's do a little math. We have 129 card set. There's way more in the book of Revelation than we could possibly represent in 129 cards. Thinking about the 7 Trumpets, 7 Bowls of Wrath and 7 Seals alone, if we made all of those, that's 21 silver GEs, not including the many other events in Revelation that could be a silver GE. We simply cannot make them all as individual cards. That would leave us with a set that is almost all silver. I know that would excite you ( ;) ) but the set needs to be diverse and offer things to people that play brigades other than silver too.
The Seven Trumpet Blowers that I spoiled above was one of the ways we were able to cover more of the happenings in the book of Revelation without printing a card for every single thing (read all 7 trumpets). And we always love finding ways to make old cards useful again. Especially ones that people consider "bad".
If we learned anything from Early Church and Persecuted Church it's that players want more than one good brigade in a set. That is our incentive to not reprint all the trumpets.
Sorry to double post, but I'm just too excited not to post this right away: Box art for RoJ revealed on Facebook!
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Wait until you see the Hero it's on!
Why wait when you can just show us now! :P ;)
Sorry to double post, but I'm just too excited not to post this right away: Box art for RoJ revealed on Facebook!
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Wait until you see the Hero it's on!
Why wait when you can just show us now! :P ;)
I'm not authorized to preview that Hero at this moment.
I'm not authorized to preview that Hero at this moment.
I'm not authorized to preview that Hero at this moment.
Show us one you are authorized then! 8)
Might we be seeing a new version of NJ (Site) or not really?
Here's an Angel that furthers our Reserve interaction and is amazing with a certain reprint this year.
Might we be seeing a new version of NJ (Site) or not really?Here's an Angel that furthers our Reserve interaction and is amazing with a certain reprint this year.
I would be very disappointed if we did not. I'm like 99.98% sure that we will get them, considering what a big part of revelation they are.
Will RoJ be like CoW having 3 common/uncommon and 1 rare/ultra rare with some cards from the older sets?
Though I was secretly hoping for another picture to be used for the box art (NJ dominant art would've been epic as well), I love this choice just the same. Very nice. 8)
Don't know how stickler-y we are with "..." abilities, but on 7TS I would think it should refer to "Trumpet" in the title. There are no cards with "trumpet" in the title right now. ::)
Anyone knows when we should know from which expansion the other cards coming with RoJ will be from ?
Don't know how stickler-y we are with "..." abilities, but on 7TS I would think it should refer to "Trumpet" in the title. There are no cards with "trumpet" in the title right now. ::)
I have to wonder... Might we be getting the Four Horsemen in this set...?
I would be very disappointed if we did not. I'm like 99.98% sure that we will get them, considering what a big part of revelation they are.I guess that could be a thing...
I have to wonder... Might we be getting the Four Horsemen in this set...?I would be very disappointed if we did not. I'm like 99.98% sure that we will get them, considering what a big part of revelation they are.I guess that could be a thing...
I'm just wondering if they all will have Orange Brigade. =D
They're probably not making all new Horseman. This is probably just another card to get you to use old cards again.
They're probably not making all new Horseman. This is probably just another card to get you to use old cards again.
The only old Horseman in the game is Death and Hades
I mean why not say Death and Hades than? I doubt they would unless they were making a new one.
Anyone knows when we should know from which expansion the other cards coming with RoJ will be from ?
That's still being decided.
Than who are the Conqueror, War, Famine, and Death?
Remember the days of Captain banding to TSA?? :o
What if you could band all of your Angels into battle from Chamber of Angels? :kenobi:
Remember the days of Captain banding to TSA?? :o
What if you could band all of your Angels into battle from Chamber of Angels? :kenobi:
What precisely does resurrect do?
Speaking of ways to get to your heroes, if your ever feeling like you need another hero, we now have the perfect place for you! Unless you don't want spoilers :Pmore of this!!! I need to know how to prepare my disciples. lol
On Patmos, feels like the ability should read "When you play..." instead of "If you play...". Is there any way to get a site onto the field of play without playing it?
On Patmos, feels like the ability should read "When you play..." instead of "If you play...". Is there any way to get a site onto the field of play without playing it?
"When" and "If" have the exact same meaning for special abilities in Redemption. In recent years we've chosen to use "If" because it's shorter.
Thanks for the explanation. I know other games where the distinction is important, just could not remember if that was the case with Redemption :D
Figures you guys pick the day I'm not on my computer much to spoil THREE new cards.
Not a bad thing just means I have to catch up. :P
The Guardian just spoiled a new oneThanks for the heads up! I've added it to the list.
#Fakespoiler
I'm just wondering if they all will have Orange Brigade. =D
My guess is they will all be dual including orange
I'm just wondering if they all will have Orange Brigade. =D
My guess is they will all be dual including orange
I'm guessing 4 have Orange Brigade?
Would it be worded as "Trumpet" Enhancement instead of Enhancement with "Trumpet" in the Title? I don't think people will be confused by that shortening of terms.We use "Trumpet" in the title because it can apply to more than just the 7 trumpet Enhancements. For example, the CBN extends to the Hero since he has "Trumpet" in his card title. That was actually a recent change. He used to be called "Trumpeting Angels" but that doesn't qualify as "Trumpet" in the title (since it says Trumpeting) so we changed it.
Back story please! Unless of course this is already scheduled for LoRThe state promo of Everlasting Beings has been out of print for a few years. Our reprint started out pretty close to a modern version of the old card (with wording and targeting updates plus territory class). When JD saw it he suggested that we add a banding component if it's used in battle. We're always looking for ways to encourage battle phase interaction and to make players want to play territory class cards in battle so we used his idea!
The only thing I'd add to Patmos would probably be a Roman identifier perhaps.I didn't personally do the research on this one, but my peers tell me Patmos was not Roman, it was Greek. The Romans may have occupied it, similar to Jerusalem and several other locations that we do not count as "Roman".
Regarding the special ability, though, couldn't the search clause just say "or you may search deck for one and put it in play" since you defined "a gold Hero from Luke or John" in the heal clause? I know it's not exactly wanting for space but it would be shorter, lol.We're always looking for ways to shorten abilities while keeping it clear what they do. I love this suggestion. Thanks, Scott!
Hmm... then couldn't you put it as "Trumpet" card then? (With the quotes making it check Title and not Identifer)?
True. Just trying to think of a way to make it feel less wordy.I appreciate that. It does seem odd that we need to say "Trumpet in the tile 3 times!
Is this set going to be distributed like TexP, Disciples, the Church sets and CoW where there will be a handful of new cards and 10 old cards or packs will be entirely made up of the new cards?
I have to ask, could we be getting something to recur or protect Chamber at all?What's Chamber? ::)
I have to ask, could we be getting something to recur or protect Chamber at all?What's Chamber? ::)
The card John previewed above is so cool! It's one of my favorite examples of a simple, versatile, solid card.
My sneak peak for the day gives a glimpse of something that happens when there's a "War in Heaven".
The card John previewed above is so cool! It's one of my favorite examples of a simple, versatile, solid card.
My sneak peak for the day gives a glimpse of something that happens when there's a "War in Heaven".
Anybody see a resemblance?
What do you get when Angelic Warriors and Demons Minions are both in the same spot?I think my favorite part about this is that it is a reliable way to get rid of animals which are a problem for silver offenses.
You get this:
The card John previewed above is so cool! It's one of my favorite examples of a simple, versatile, solid card.
My sneak peak for the day gives a glimpse of something that happens when there's a "War in Heaven".
The card John previewed above is so cool! It's one of my favorite examples of a simple, versatile, solid card.
My sneak peak for the day gives a glimpse of something that happens when there's a "War in Heaven".
As a general rule, we have decided to be extremely selective with how many restrict abilities are introduced into the game.
There is another card in the set with a unique restrict ability that we don't think you'll be sadd to see.
I find the choice to make a "capture demon" ability kind of odd... especially considering the controversy when the rule was changed to demons no longer being able to be rescued a number of years ago.
Why isn't it just a discard or set aside ability instead? Anything wrong with making it a set aside X ability? If I was a new player I'd find that less confusing than having to hit up the REG to figure out how capturing a demon works...
If so, you might be interested in this song...
Those Lost Souls are superb as well. So glad they aren't rares, as they will be highly in demand.
I must ask, are there some witnesses in this set? Such as the two that the Beast kills and are taken back to heaven?
I find the choice to make a "capture demon" ability kind of odd... especially considering the controversy when the rule was changed to demons no longer being able to be rescued a number of years ago.
Why isn't it just a discard or set aside ability instead? Anything wrong with making it a set aside X ability? If I was a new player I'd find that less confusing than having to hit up the REG to figure out how capturing a demon works...
:miss:
What did I do? :scratch:
Nope, JohnE is Red Dragon Thorn.
I dropped my one hint for the day elsewhere. 8)
Everlastings beings SA: Resurrect all angels. Release angels in set aside ares Fortresses and captured angels. If used during battle hero may band to any number of angels.
If it is not too late , a possible suggestion for the everlasting beings card could be to add "regardless of protection" or "interrupt opponent's wall of protection" so that way a player can band any other angel that is not their's into battle. Regardless of protection can also go through fortresses like Goshen as well. :dunno: :dunno:
If it is not too late , a possible suggestion for the everlasting beings card could be to add "regardless of protection" or "interrupt opponent's wall of protection" so that way a player can band any other angel that is not their's into battle. Regardless of protection can also go through fortresses like Goshen as well. :dunno: :dunno:
If it is not too late , a possible suggestion for the everlasting beings card could be to add "regardless of protection" or "interrupt opponent's wall of protection" so that way a player can band any other angel that is not their's into battle. Regardless of protection can also go through fortresses like Goshen as well. :dunno: :dunno:
I think you'll find that there are plenty of new ways in RoJ to get around those cards that adding a way on Everlasting Beings isn't all that necessary.
O_O Could Silver be Fortress negaters?Think bigger. WAY bigger. ;)
O_O Could Silver be Fortress negaters?Think bigger. WAY bigger. ;)
O_O Could Silver be Fortress negaters?Think bigger. WAY bigger. ;)
Whoa, whoa whoa Gabe, calm down on the spoilers
O_O Could Silver be Fortress negaters?Think bigger. WAY bigger. ;)
O_O Could Silver be Fortress negaters?Think bigger. WAY bigger. ;)
Whoa, whoa whoa Gabe, calm down on the spoilers
:doh: I'm going to have to start censering things around here...
We have a winner! 8)Love that you did this, thanks for the contest!
Shoot me an e-mail and I'll keep it in my inbox as a reminder to send your pack.
After like an hour of exhaustive search, I have found the hidden spoiler!
Originally found here: http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/new-card-ideas/job-theme-help/msg560999/#msg560999
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In regards to kings of the earth I'm assuming the identifier makes him that brigade only and no longer multi and gains the chosen nationality? It's just vaguely written on the identifier. And also the identifier is not a convert ability correct?
Behemoth isn't T.C. anymore, unless I only imagined that it was in the first place. :o Was the T.C. negate too strong?
Also, wouldn't it be a reprint of Whore of Babylon more than Babylon the Great?They are the same card though... what is the problem?
Also, wouldn't it be a reprint of Whore of Babylon more than Babylon the Great?They are the same card though... what is the problem?
Also, wouldn't it be a reprint of Whore of Babylon more than Babylon the Great?They are the same card though... what is the problem?
They represent the same character, they are not the same card
I love the use of icons in the abilities to show what works with what! If only the icons could begin to be incorporated into other cards to shorten abilities...
The artwork is from Babylon the Great which is why it's considered a reprint of that card.
Also, wouldn't it be a reprint of Whore of Babylon more than Babylon the Great?They are the same card though... what is the problem?
They represent the same character, they are not the same card
Right, so what is the problem?
Added the 2 Facebook spoilers to the card list!
The Woman with Child: Love this. Such a threat to the opponent if you can keep her alive (searching for a dominant every rescue). Nitpick- "Demons" in the SA shouldn't be capitalized.
John, the Apocalyptist: LOVE him. He should be one of the ultra rares by reputation and awesomeness but I hope he's not because I really want to make sure I get a copy of him, haha!
So John can use John/Revelation Enhancements regardless of Brigade? Also, does he count as a Son of Zebadee?
So John can use John/Revelation Enhancements regardless of Brigade? Also, does he count as a Son of Zebadee?
Correct. And yes, he does. I'll go add that identifier to our master file right now! Thank you.
Awesome! Although I'm surprised he doesn't Band/Exchange with a Revelation Angel.
Is Mary the same unique character as Woman with a Child?
Is Mary the same unique character as Woman with a Child?
Yes.
Yes, which matters for things like Word of Their Testimony! Thank you, Xonathan. I'm updating our master file.Is Mary the same unique character as Woman with a Child?
Yes.
So, Woman with a child is a prophet or prophetess?
I like the new version of John, but I think it'd be cooler if he had green brigade so he could be a New Testament Prophet.
We think that would be cool too ;)
We think that would be cool too ;)
Who do you think you are, John, the Revealer?
We think that would be cool too ;)
Who do you think you are, John, the Revealer?
We think that would be cool too ;)
Who do you think you are, John, the Revealer?
More like John, the Revelator
Might as well add Musician ;)Yes, which matters for things like Word of Their Testimony! Thank you, Xonathan. I'm updating our master file.Is Mary the same unique character as Woman with a Child?
Yes.
So, Woman with a child is a prophet or prophetess?
Awesome! Although I'm surprised he doesn't Band/Exchange with a Revelation Angel.
There might be a Hero who does that... ::)
I'm not sure if it's too long but would the phrasingIn regards to kings of the earth I'm assuming the identifier makes him that brigade only and no longer multi and gains the chosen nationality? It's just vaguely written on the identifier. And also the identifier is not a convert ability correct?
You are correct in your assumption - when put in play the controller of Kings of the Earth will choose a single brigade and a nationality. Once in play he is only that one brigade and gains that nationality. At face value in deck, discard pile or reserve he can be targeted as a multi-brigade card though because of his icon box.
We've wrestled with how to many this card function the way we want and make it clear. We looked at options to have "no" brigade in the icon box but didn't find a good solution. Any recommendations that the community has to make this function as intended and be clearly understood will be seriously considered.
Merchants o' the Earth... recurring Besieging the City... oh no... :P
Could it by any chance be made to only get N.T. Enhancements? Or was somebody determined to make a T2 deck to abuse BtC even more?
This is the real purpose of evil gold it seems. To inconvenience your opponent's to no end.Merchants o' the Earth... recurring Besieging the City... oh no... :P
Could it by any chance be made to only get N.T. Enhancements? Or was somebody determined to make a T2 deck to abuse BtC even more?
that would be me :thumbup:
Now that we'll get the Reserve as another area will there also be something like Nazareth (Di) (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Nazareth_(Di)) or Hezekiah's Signet Ring (Ki) (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Hezekiah%E2%80%99s_Signet_Ring_(Ki)) which will cover deck, DC pile and reserve?
We prefer that players are allowed to use their cards. Overall it makes the game funner for everyone. Instead of making hard counters like Naz and HSR we choose to do "soft" counters like Music Leader, Dull Lost Soul and Golden Cherubim. These allow players to still play their cards but at a cost. It's up to the player as to whether or not they feel like that cost is worth it.
(sorry if these have been answered already) So can Behemoth change between good and evil, since it doesn't have an identifier saying it enters play and stay a certain alignment? Also, is there a official definition of resurrect?
John the Apocalyptist can use John enhancements and makes them CBN which would allow him to use a lot of the NT gold theme. As for getting a gold version having three of one hero in one set sounds kind of insane to think of.
I am fairly certain Behemoth can enter play as an evil character or an enhancement. I don't think it changes while in play. If it is in deck or discard pile I think it still can be targeted as both but if used as an enhancement it goes to the discard pile. As an evil character unless discarded it will remain as an evil character.
John the Apocalyptist can use John enhancements and makes them CBN which would allow him to use a lot of the NT gold theme. As for getting a gold version having three of one hero in one set sounds kind of insane to think of.
I am fairly certain Behemoth can enter play as an evil character or an enhancement. I don't think it changes while in play. If it is in deck or discard pile I think it still can be targeted as both but if used as an enhancement it goes to the discard pile. As an evil character unless discarded it will remain as an evil character.
This is correct. Once Behemoth enters play, he becomes one or the other. If he is returned to hand, deck or discard, then he is both and can be targeted as both.
Ok, seems I have to ask my question again: Will there be some soft counter for the new area or for general searching/reveal,look+take into hand resp. a soft counter which is triggered by searching any area?The answer lies to the left...
Isaac, I feel like this is the third time I've told you, your lips better be sealed... :maul:
Why is behemoth a brontosaurus? >:( :'(What's wrong with that? It's awesome!
Why is behemoth a brontosaurus? >:( :'(
The answer lies to the left...Sorry for stressing it again. Maybe I cannot see it (the answer located at the left side) or its some kind of saying on your side. In the latter case I am unfortunately not very familiar with those (region cannot be adjusted correctly in forum profile)... :-[
In the interest of not having this particular thread turn into a Creation/Evolution debate (those can be held in Open Discussion), I have removed a couple of posts. Let me be clear that no one made any attacks or anything like that, I simply wanted to keep this thread from going that direction.Amen.
does resurrect apply just to just characters or any card?
Is there a gold version of John in this set?
John the Apocalyptist can use John enhancements and makes them CBN which would allow him to use a lot of the NT gold theme. As for getting a gold version having three of one hero in one set sounds kind of insane to think of.We could print infinite Johns...
There probably are infinite Johns out there.Is there a gold version of John in this set?John the Apocalyptist can use John enhancements and makes them CBN which would allow him to use a lot of the NT gold theme. As for getting a gold version having three of one hero in one set sounds kind of insane to think of.We could print infinite Johns...
...but we probably won't.
There probably are infinite Johns out there.Is there a gold version of John in this set?John the Apocalyptist can use John enhancements and makes them CBN which would allow him to use a lot of the NT gold theme. As for getting a gold version having three of one hero in one set sounds kind of insane to think of.We could print infinite Johns...
...but we probably won't.
It's been a wild (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Wild-Dogs.png) day.Oh man! That card has changed! If I could ask, why did you end up changing the art? What it has is really good but the last one was awesome!
It's been a wild (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Wild-Dogs.png) day.
No, you have to topdeck or underdeck it.
If you were able to steal an opponent's dominant, that would just be deplorable (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Deplorable-Acts.png)... :o
No, you have to topdeck or underdeck it.
If you were able to steal an opponent's dominant, that would just be deplorable (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Deplorable-Acts.png)... :o
What if their deck is protected? IMO it might be better to say something like "Underdeck a card from opponent's hand or topdeck it to draw X."
No, you have to topdeck or underdeck it.
If you were able to steal an opponent's dominant, that would just be deplorable (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Deplorable-Acts.png)... :o
What if their deck is protected? IMO it might be better to say something like "Underdeck a card from opponent's hand or topdeck it to draw X."
I don't think protecting their deck means protect from a card being put on/under deck. I believe it has to be protected from wher its coming from.
Are Frog demons a magician because they preformed miraculous signs?
Revelation is such a fun book and great for making cards.
Although I'm wondering why the Seventh Seal no longer searches for a Censor.
Revelation is such a fun book and great for making cards.
Although I'm wondering why the Seventh Seal no longer searches for a Censor.
I'm confused as to when it did this
I just realized that the "humble" soul mentioned before hasn't been spoiled yet. Must be really good if it hasn't been spoiled with the other three
More like the "humblebrag" LS ;)
Every card in the set was created by a player. ;)I just realized that the "humble" soul mentioned before hasn't been spoiled yet. Must be really good if it hasn't been spoiled with the other three
More like the "humblebrag" LS ;)
A player created card maybe?
Every card in the set was created by a player. ;)I just realized that the "humble" soul mentioned before hasn't been spoiled yet. Must be really good if it hasn't been spoiled with the other three
More like the "humblebrag" LS ;)
A player created card maybe?
Every card in the set was created by a player. ;)
A 2016 National Tournament Winner Creation maybe? :laugh:
Are these supposed to be heavenly artifacts? If so they don't have identifier?
There is one Heavenly Temple Artifact in the game already.
Please tell "Angels of Wrath" cannot pull "Wrath of Satan" from the reserve????
Don't forget Wrath of Cain!
Please tell me "Angels of Wrath" cannot pull "Wrath of Satan" from the reserve?More importantly it can get this pseudo Wrath of Stan reprint...
You asked for it!I just realized that the "humble" soul mentioned before hasn't been spoiled yet. Must be really good if it hasn't been spoiled with the other three
More like the "humblebrag" LS ;)
this humble soul is a joke, right? since you added the rarity too(I said hopefully)? You had said ya'll hadn't decided on rarities yet.
They might not just want to get into a debate on what depicts Satan or have to explain all of the cards that depict Satan. It's the Dragon's Wrath technically, not Wrath of Satan.
Just wondering, but why isn't Dragon's Wrath CBN if used by anyone that depicts Satan? Just to make it more interesting?
Just wondering, but why isn't Dragon's Wrath CBN if used by anyone that depicts Satan? Just to make it more interesting?
The elder team doesn't necessarily share your view on what the game needs or what is best for it right now.
If we did want such a powerful card to have a broader CBN we would not use "depicts". We've moved away from that in special abilities because it's subjective and requires a lot of work to go through old cards and upkeep the REG entry.
Just wondering, but why isn't Dragon's Wrath CBN if used by anyone that depicts Satan? Just to make it more interesting?
The elder team doesn't necessarily share your view on what the game needs or what is best for it right now.
The number 41 is also a giveaway (4/1). ;)this humble soul is a joke, right? since you added the rarity too(I said hopefully)? You had said ya'll hadn't decided on rarities yet.
Not to mention the fact that they usually keep the card types in number order in the sets and the other ones they revealed are 24 and 26 I think and this one is 41 so yeah I will say this ones fake
Wouldn't it be a beast
If that's the finalized ability that seems amazingly strong for an EC. Discard the opposing Hero with no condition like similar abilities (Doeg needs Saul in play, etc), it negates so it still wins the battle against two banded Heros and its even going to be CBN a decent amount of the time. Also as my friend and I have discovered from playing around with animals even a vanilla 12/12 animal can win battles on its own since a surprising number of battle winners don't target them. It seems like this potentially could be run in literally every deck regardless of whether it has any brigades in common with your actual defense or not.Provided this is a real spoil, the spoiled version doesn't look completely finalized. The identifier is inaccurate for 1. (Leviathan is Male) Ability wise it does seem very strong but it is leviathan so it should be. I'm sure the playtesters have made the finalized version balanced enough for the game with RoJs release. The excitement is real though.
I was wondering why the card art from the Warriors version of Frog Demons wasn't chosen over the juggling frogs art. Is there no longer a contract with Jamison Services?
Why does the New Jerusalem site/hero search for New Jerusalem in reserve when you can't have dominants in reserve?
I was wondering why the card art from the Warriors version of Frog Demons wasn't chosen over the juggling frogs art. Is there no longer a contract with Jamison Services?
Good question!
There a lot of Jamison Services art that is really good and accurately portrays the description given in scripture. We didn't feel that the depiction of Frog Demons is one of those.
A) Revelation says that one frog came out of the Dragon, one from the Beast from the Sea, and one from the False Prophet, but the art shows all 3 coming out of the mouth of the dragon.
B) The dragon is referring to the Red Dragon, but they colored the dragon green.
As silly as they are, we felt the jester frogs from the promo version was the better of the two pieces we had to choose from.
Just wondering, but why isn't Dragon's Wrath CBN if used by anyone that depicts Satan? Just to make it more interesting?
The elder team doesn't necessarily share your view on what the game needs or what is best for it right now.
You guys should really have reconsidered making a Revelation-themed set without megamanlan's approval
So frogs juggling orbs is more biblically accurate when compared to the other picture? ;) I know my opinion ultimately doesn't matter in this situation but I'd have to respectfully disagree with the elder team on their choice. I've always felt (and others I know mentioned it too) that this art was always silly and takes away from the imagery of the scripture. Perhaps a compromise can be reached with this picture being it...
Am I the only one who likes the jester demon artwork?
If that's the finalized ability that seems amazingly strong for an EC. Discard the opposing Hero with no condition like similar abilities (Doeg needs Saul in play, etc), it negates so it still wins the battle against two banded Heros and its even going to be CBN a decent amount of the time. Also as my friend and I have discovered from playing around with animals even a vanilla 12/12 animal can win battles on its own since a surprising number of battle winners don't target them. It seems like this potentially could be run in literally every deck regardless of whether it has any brigades in common with your actual defense or not.Provided this is a real spoil, the spoiled version doesn't look completely finalized. The identifier is inaccurate for 1. (Leviathan is Male) Ability wise it does seem very strong but it is leviathan so it should be. I'm sure the playtesters have made the finalized version balanced enough for the game with RoJs release. The excitement is real though.
Now that April 1st is over I'll say this - the "humble" soul SA and title are not real and there is only one 12/12 animal in the set.
QuoteSo frogs juggling orbs is more biblically accurate when compared to the other picture? ;) I know my opinion ultimately doesn't matter in this situation but I'd have to respectfully disagree with the elder team on their choice. I've always felt (and others I know mentioned it too) that this art was always silly and takes away from the imagery of the scripture. Perhaps a compromise can be reached with this picture being it...
That's fair and to be honest, sometimes we as the playtest team don't always agree on what the best art choice is at first, and we have to spend some time discussing the options.
For this particular example, we looked at what we actually could understand from Revelation--the fact that the three frogs came from the mouths of the dragon, the beast and the false prophet, which is notrepresented by the WA art. While the Carroll piece might have some "silliness" to it, I think it also has a lot of symbolism, which is very fitting for a Revelation piece of art.
In lieu of spoilers today, I have a fun announcement to make. Like we did last year, we will be doing "blended" borders for all of the rare cards in this year's set. 8)Thanks for this! I've updated the list with the rarities.
Also, as the rarities have now been finalized, here are the rares that have already been previewed:
17 New Jerusalem|Bride of Christ
19 Babylon|The Harlot
23 Lost Soul "Imitate"
25 Behemoth
39 War in Heaven
60 Day of Fury
86 Kings of the Earth
93 Four Horsemen
94 Dragon's Wrath
121 The Deceiver
125 Blasphemies
Even though it's been awhile since I've seen the frog demons card or the juggling frogs. You could look at it from a different angle -demons- they know that they're going to hell for all eternity and in spite of all the time Christ has given the non-believers,some still won't repent and turn from their wicked ways. The demons know this and I believe that they enjoy playing games with the unbelievers lives. Knowing that some people don't like the card,here's my thoughts on why the playtesters chose it.I'm not convinced the fallen don't think they can win.
Overcome seems to Depict a Spherical Earth
We all know the Earth is clearly flat so.. Overcome's artwork needs to change..
It's clearly being framed through the round window of a PERFECTLY FLAT PLANE to create the illusion of a sphere.
Pre order for Three Lions Gaming Ultra Set is priced at $120 currently. Since Three Lions Gaming sets the standard price for Redemption my guess is the dominant will start out as $80 or less.
I'm still wondering if Angels will be getting any new weapons as we are getting a lot of WC and we only have 1 weapon that's good.
I'm still wondering if Angels will be getting any new weapons as we are getting a lot of WC and we only have 1 weapon that's good.
Which one is that? Sword of the Spirit? Angels Sword?
Now that we'll get the Reserve as another area will there also be something like Nazareth (Di) (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Nazareth_(Di)) or Hezekiah's Signet Ring (Ki) (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Hezekiah%E2%80%99s_Signet_Ring_(Ki)) which will cover deck, DC pile and reserve?
We prefer that players are allowed to use their cards. Overall it makes the game funner for everyone. Instead of making hard counters like Naz and HSR we choose to do "soft" counters like Music Leader, Dull Lost Soul and Golden Cherubim. These allow players to still play their cards but at a cost. It's up to the player as to whether or not they feel like that cost is worth it.
...it's entirely and completely vulnerable in territory.
I'm still wondering if Angels will be getting any new weapons as we are getting a lot of WC and we only have 1 weapon that's good.
...it's entirely and completely vulnerable in territory.
This part is what makes it not OP in my opinion. There are several good cards that can discard any evil card. We've had those for years and might even be getting something new this year. Evil has had very limited access to the ability to discard a good Dom in play. That's going to change this year.
The past couple sets we've tried to be very intentional about including "in-set-counters" to some of each sets strongest themes and cards. That's something we've continued with RoJ. The cards that can remove Three Woes wouldn't seem nearly as exciting if we showed them to you first. :)
I'm still wondering if Angels will be getting any new weapons as we are getting a lot of WC and we only have 1 weapon that's good.
Oh, are you an angel? ;)
In all seriousness, when the 8 offensive colors that you don't play get printed, you mourn the fact that Silver is being neglected. Then when an expansion hits that gives Silver its 15 minutes of fame, you mourn the fact that the cards don't align with how you think they should function.
Your devotion to Silver is blinding you to the best expansions that have ever hit the Redemption scene.
How come The Four Living Creatures isn't considered a Revelation angel? Is it too generic and Rev angels are more of the angels that dispense God's wrath and such?
I think in general the challenge with good weapons is that it's often difficult to make them balanced because they are inherently a "pre-block play first" so often times they end up being a bit on the weaker side. Sword of the Spirit is an obvious exception though even that has some drawbacks due to its multi brigade nature.
For example, we don't necessarily want to create a good weapon that discards any EC, because that just becomes too easy of a territory destruction. Likewise, a good weapon that was a "interrupt, draw 2, play next" (like the evil "Horse" enhancements) becomes incredibly powerful by being played pre-block. We're able to make evil weapons a bit stronger because they are inherently reactive as opposed to the proactive nature of good weapons.
Bottom line--there aren't any good weapons in this set. However, I believe you'll find the versatility of the new silver enhancements to be quite intriguing... ::)
Will you be able to use the cards in the tournaments before Nationals? And how about the reserve when can we start using that?
Will you be able to use the cards in the tournaments before Nationals? And how about the reserve when can we start using that?
I'm fairly certain the Reserve will be legal on the date that Revelation of John is made legal.
What about promos? Are they legal at the tournament you get them at?
so presumably the other 5 are outstanding
What about promos? Are they legal at the tournament you get them at?
The rules for promos hasn't changed.
I don't think that's been officially discussed, but I'm fairly confident that the answer will be no. The Reserve is already adding a layer of complexity for tournament hosts who need to check decks, so I don't see us going that direction and further complicating things.
How to Play
A change hand size ability targets the player and alters their maximum end-turn hand size allowed, which is 8 by
game rule. It can set the new maximum to a specific card count or increase or decrease the maximum. No matter
the change, this only refers to the size of a hand at the end of that particular player’s Discard Phase.
A change hand size ability is ongoing
If the change hand size ability does not indicate that it increases or decreases maximum end-turn hand by a particular amount, but rather gives a new maximum, then it sets that maximum as the new hand size, regardless of any other change hand size abilities which may already be in effect.
Cherubim is not an identifier, so no.
While it's possible The Four Living Creatures are the same as Cherubim, for gameplay purposes they are different characters.
I think because it's referring to a specific group it is considered unique. Kind of like the jeering youths. That's the best example I can come up with off the top of my head anyways.Cherubim is not an identifier, so no.
While it's possible The Four Living Creatures are the same as Cherubim, for gameplay purposes they are different characters.
That's too bad :( because I wanted to try some stuff with Cherubim banding to Four Living Creatures. But even so, they are still pretty awesome! No more worries about Confusion! Also, I know they have a "The" in the title, but shouldn't they be generic since they are a group like the Cherubim?
I think because it's referring to a specific group it is considered unique. Kind of like the jeering youths. That's the best example I can come up with off the top of my head anyways.Cherubim is not an identifier, so no.
While it's possible The Four Living Creatures are the same as Cherubim, for gameplay purposes they are different characters.
That's too bad :( because I wanted to try some stuff with Cherubim banding to Four Living Creatures. But even so, they are still pretty awesome! No more worries about Confusion! Also, I know they have a "The" in the title, but shouldn't they be generic since they are a group like the Cherubim?
But side question: Is Great White Throne supposed to be able to search for a Hero any number of times? Because I love that it can, but I am wondering if that was supposed to have a OPT or Upon Activation limiter on it.
(didn't realize Wild Bill was getting a card)
Now we just need an every tongue, every nation card. ;)(didn't realize Wild Bill was getting a card)
Yeah I had to wait until they got to the last book of the bible. Not too many Bill's in the old and new testament.
But side question: Is Great White Throne supposed to be able to search for a Hero any number of times? Because I love that it can, but I am wondering if that was supposed to have a OPT or Upon Activation limiter on it.
If an artifact doesn't indicate that its instant ability can be done "at any time" or at a particular trigger, it can only be done once upon activation.
I protest the fact that we have to wait for previews on Thursdays because Land of redemption is doing flashback Thursday instead of previewing the new cards fix this problem please
So I'm starting to enter the new cards into my spreadsheet (yes, I know they could change), but I did notice something that needed to change. Every Tribe says Revelations in the verse reference.
I protest the fact that we have to wait for previews on Thursdays because Land of redemption is doing flashback Thursday instead of previewing the new cards fix this problem please
We're helping you exhibit the fruit of patience. ;)
Justin and I plan to spoil a couple cards each on the boards today. Keep your eyes open. You never know where we might put them. Especially Justin. He's sneaky!
Martyrs please! ;DThere are some really nice ones so when they do get spoiled I think you'll like them!
Martyrs please! ;DThere are some really nice ones so when they do get spoiled I think you'll like them!
Martyrs please! ;D
So I'm starting to enter the new cards into my spreadsheet (yes, I know they could change), but I did notice something that needed to change. Every Tribe says Revelations in the verse reference.
Thanks, Chris! Catching little errors like this is one of the reasons we chose to preview before they are finalized. We appreciate your attention to detail!
Yay! Now everyone can love the martyrs as much as i do! They are my favorite part of the set this year! [Martyrs' brigade] will get so much play this year!Martyrs please! ;D
The article going up on Land of Redemption tomorrow will cover several of the martyr related cards! ;D 8)
So I'm starting to enter the new cards into my spreadsheet (yes, I know they could change), but I did notice something that needed to change. Every Tribe says Revelations in the verse reference.
Thanks, Chris! Catching little errors like this is one of the reasons we chose to preview before they are finalized. We appreciate your attention to detail!
To piggyback on this I also noticed a very small sentence structure error on the Imitate LS ability. The period at the end of the last sentence needs to go after the last parenthesis bracket (like how War in Heaven is, as well as this sentence).
Is there a name that we are calling the New Jerusalem and Babylon cards?
Dual alignment doesn't really work. I called Fire Foxes Dual-Alignment Card, but it is more truly a Multi-Type card. Didn't know if anyone had an official name for those!
I've tentatively called them Site-Characters and changed Fire Foxes and the like to Enhancement-Characters, unless you want them all grouped together, then Multi-Type is probably best.
Yep, we've got that updated, it just hasn't changed on the preview image. 8)
Can Lamb's Righteousness be used to rescue a captured Angel? Because based on it's wording, it looks like you could, since they are captured heroes even though they aren't treated as Lost Souls.
Captured non-human characters are not Lost Souls. Rather, they are captured characters, which still retain their
alignment (good or evil). Therefore, a non-human cannot be rescued and scored as a redeemed soul.
The reason we used "blocked" is so that this could not be played in a side battle situation (in which a Hero could be "opposed" but is not "blocked").
Yeah, I realized after I posted that it would need a bit more tweaking or it would work on an opponent's turn. Don't really see an issue with it working on a side battle on your turn (since it's the only Soul you can rescue), unless we just don't want Souls rescued via side battles at all.
Still have an issue with "is blocked", because that always seems to refer to presenting a blocker, and expanding that could cause confusion. It makes English sense, but not game sense, I think.
Great points brought up about Lamb's Righteousness. We're working to update the language.Can Lamb's Righteousness be used to rescue a captured Angel? Because based on it's wording, it looks like you could, since they are captured heroes even though they aren't treated as Lost Souls.
Excellent question. Based on the REG entry for capture the answer is no.Quote from: REGCaptured non-human characters are not Lost Souls. Rather, they are captured characters, which still retain their
alignment (good or evil). Therefore, a non-human cannot be rescued and scored as a redeemed soul.
Speaking of great questions... I'm really surprised I haven't seen any about Great Multitude. I was sure we were going to get bombarded on that one.
Speaking of great questions... I'm really surprised I haven't seen any about Great Multitude. I was sure we were going to get bombarded on that one.
Do we care that Lamb's Righteousness can rescue a Lost Soul in a Battle Challenge? Other than that, looks good.
On Vengeance, does "in play or a set-aside area" only apply to the Fortress, or the whole ability?
Good question on rescuing a captured Great Multitude. Since the REG specifies non-human and it is human (as well as angel, but not fully non-human), it should be able to be rescued.
Can't convert because it's an angel. Can rescue because it's not non-human.
For simplicity's sake why not just leave it as a convert ability since "fall" is virtually synonymous?+1
because angels/demons otherwise cannot be converted
Just had a thought about Sorcerers. I assume it's intended for "take it to hand" and "or discard it to discard a good card" to be separate clauses, but the way it's worded it could be construed to mean you can either take it to hand or discard it to end up with the "discard a good card" benefit.
So how does Polycarp work exactly?
If your opponent plays something like dream where they interrupt, draw 3, then play an enhancement, how much of that gets insteaded? dream would have to resolve before he could activate, so another enhancement will have been played because of the instead, what happens to that?
When the triggering event occurs, the ability with the instead activates immediately, inserting itself before any additional abilities complete.
If a removing ability is negated (or cannot reactivate after an interrupt effect is played) and the negate (or interrupt effect that prevented reactivation) is later undone such that the original removing ability reactivates, this would trigger a separate instance of Special Initiative.
Also, with peter out, can't you just heal him when he gets discarded, making it so he never dies and all you NT enhancements become almost effectively CBN? (correct me if I'm wrong, but heal is not an instead ability, so he is still paying his cost by being discarded and his ability works, but them peter heals him so he returns to territory)
When a character is healed from being discarded, it is placed in the territory of the player with permanent control, and the discard is not considered to have completed for the purposes of abilities or conditions that trigger based on a character or card being discarded.
Also, with peter out, can't you just heal him when he gets discarded, making it so he never dies and all you NT enhancements become almost effectively CBN? (correct me if I'm wrong, but heal is not an instead ability, so he is still paying his cost by being discarded and his ability works, but them peter heals him so he returns to territory)
We did a lot of work to clean up the healing rules last summer. One of the resulting changes is that when a character is healed from discard, they are never actually discarded. If you heal a martyr who discards himself as the cost for an effect (such as Polycarp) then the cost was never paid because the character was never discarded. The entire martyr theme would be broken with Peter if that was not the case!
Two situation/combos were discovered which would have led to Lamb's Righteousness being able to rescue a captured Hero on the opponent's turn...one of those situations we were okay with, the other not so much. Can you figure out what those situations/combos were? 8)
Consequently, the condition for Lamb's Righteousness will be changing from "If you have not rescued a Lost Soul this turn" to simply "If rescuing." We probably should have just remembered KISS -- Keep It Simple Silly. ;D
Two situation/combos were discovered which would have led to Lamb's Righteousness being able to rescue a captured Hero on the opponent's turn...one of those situations we were okay with, the other not so much. Can you figure out what those situations/combos were? 8)
Consequently, the condition for Lamb's Righteousness will be changing from "If you have not rescued a Lost Soul this turn" to simply "If rescuing." We probably should have just remembered KISS -- Keep It Simple Silly. ;D
Does that mean it can't rescue a soul if played in a battle challenge?
So after setting my spreadsheet for the new set there are a few things we can decipher from the numbers for the cards yet to be released:
My initial reading was the way it was intended as well, just thought I'd mention the possibility of ambiguity since the cards are still editable if needed.
1. Why abbreviate Joseph Mallord William Turner to J.M.W. Turner on the Second bowl, but not the Fourth?Quote
Thanks for pointing that out. The art was taken from different sources who credited the artist differently. We'll credit them the same.3. What happened to this guy??During a lot of our testing we planned to print The False Prophet with no SA at all. We don't want to make a new one that overshadows the UR from Early Church. By having bigger stats (which didn't change, not sure why you think they did) and three brigades instead of 2 he's already strictly better than the UR in a number of situations. Late in the process we decided that an evil card needed to have the ability to look at an opponent's Reserve. TFP was the best place to put that so we gave him a SA.
I was thinking of incorporating him into my deck (still am for the colors/identifiers), but his ability's been nerfed to oblivion (and numbers decreased as well)... Is there not a more exciting ability that he can have?
In our game I could've sworn he was a 12/12... unless I've crossed over into a parallel universe... :o
Just kind of disappointing to see such a weak ability on such a prominent character of Revelation. Even adding CBN and draw 1 from the bottom would make him golden in my book. ;)
1. Why abbreviate Joseph Mallord William Turner to J.M.W. Turner on the Second bowl, but not the Fourth?
Thanks for pointing that out. The art was taken from different sources who credited the artist differently. We'll credit them the same.3. What happened to this guy??During a lot of our testing we planned to print The False Prophet with no SA at all. We don't want to make a new one that overshadows the UR from Early Church. By having bigger stats (which didn't change, not sure why you think they did) and three brigades instead of 2 he's already strictly better than the UR in a number of situations. Late in the process we decided that an evil card needed to have the ability to look at an opponent's Reserve. TFP was the best place to put that so we gave him a SA.
I was thinking of incorporating him into my deck (still am for the colors/identifiers), but his ability's been nerfed to oblivion (and numbers decreased as well)... Is there not a more exciting ability that he can have?
Maximum of 2 of each in a deck:...
- Cards with 2 brigades at face value
Maximum of 1 of each per 50 cards in a deck:
- Site with a special ability
I'd like to comment on this as well - You specifically say that you're still thinking about playing him because of his Colors/Identifiers - This is one of the things that we feel makes him so good - He's match-up nightmare for FBTN, he can play Divination. These are two pretty big pluses over the Early Church version. I think he's highly playable in a variety of decks, and would have been even without the Reserve look. Adding anything else in the ability makes him an auto-include in any Crimson, Orange or Pale Green deck, and an easy splash in just about any other.
I've tentatively called them Site-Characters and changed Fire Foxes and the like to Enhancement-Characters, unless you want them all grouped together, then Multi-Type is probably best.
Who’s ready for a little freak out moment? You sure? You might want to sit down just in case…
Okay, here goes…
Now I know what you’re thinking, “WHY ARE EARTH ARE THEY PUTTING THIS ABILITY ON A CARD?!?!” To be honest, when I first suggested the idea during a brainstorming session, I could hardly believe I was saying it myself. Let me attempt to explain our reasoning and hopefully this will keep everyone calm. As I mentioned in the "Jesus Freaks" article about the martyr theme on Land of Redemption, one of the things we are trying to do is to give offensive themes a card that will be a “finisher” or “closer.” Something that can help give offense the final edge it needs to finish games before they time out. However, we don’t want those to be something that can simply be used as an endgame strategy in a defensive heavy deck (yes, we’re looking at you Watchful Servant).
If you think back to any game you’ve played with or against Disciples, how often do you recall the Disciples player having all 12 Disciples on the table? Probably not very often, and I’m guessing many times they weren’t even using all 12 in the deck, because a Disciples deck doesn’t need all 12—usually just enough to make Thaddeus roll over most defenses will suffice. However, this card will give people a reason to use all 12 and will make up for the inherent disadvantage of using the “weaker” Disciples like Andrew, James Son of Zebedee and Matthias (unless you’re running Holy Spirit) that don’t see much play. We’re not trying to say that Disciples have gotten weaker—in fact I think they are still one of the strongest themes—but we’ve certainly created a few more counters to their usual “closer” (Thaddeus). If someone does get all 12, then it is likely close to the end of the game anyway when we want games to finish. This card is also very preventable (unless used by John, the Apocalypstist or Thomas) and it will give the Disciple player an interesting decision: do they attack with a low numbered Hero to try and play this or do they attack with a nearly invincible Thaddeus with the whole group in play?
As always, we welcome your feedback on this card. If you feel like this card is way too strong, then I urge you to play a game or two using a Disciples deck (include a proxy card for this one), and I think you'll see just how difficult it is to not only get all 12 Disciples on the table, but also keep them there long enough to use this. If you think of it as a quasi-Alternate Win Condition, I think you'll truly appreciate the challenge. 8)
It's pretty difficult to setup all 12 disciples but thematically shouldn't there be a decent pay off for doing so?
if the disciples are in potter's field, does that count as control?
That's the point though, to make people play crazy decks that have never been played before. the good thing about disciples is that they have the boat to protect them, so it's easier to get them all out and keep them out. think about this: Build a deck using Sow, reap, rejoice!, Disciples of the Lamb, and eternal inheritance. Then, get to sog nj/tsc as fast as possible, play them, then use DotL to get sog back, then Sow, reap rejoice on the new john for a cbn rescue, and finish using a clay thomas and eternal inheritance. like i said, lots of setup, but, if done properly, you could have to not play a single battle winner.
I am loving the Bowls! Shouldn't they have the identifier Plague though? (As Revelation calls them the last plagues he pours out on the Earth.)I'm trying to find the significance of using "Plague" as an identifier. There's currently no REG entry or cards that I can find which interact with "Plagues". As a general rule we don't add identifiers or create REG entries (which we do for all identifiers) unless they serve a specific purpose (EMPTY! on TGT being an exception).
I think it is a wasted card the chances of anyone playing or having all 12 disciples is too far out there. There are so many other cards that could be made instead of this one that everyone can play instead of a card that is so specific.I totally understand where you're coming from and agree that this card isn't for you. It's probably not even a card that makes the final cut in my competitive Disciples build (at least in T1, maybe in T2). But there are players that will enjoy this and enjoy the challenge that it presents them.
if the disciples are in potter's field, does that count as control?Yes, you control characters in your set aside area.
Two situation/combos were discovered which would have led to Lamb's Righteousness being able to rescue a captured Hero on the opponent's turn...one of those situations we were okay with, the other not so much. Can you figure out what those situations/combos were? 8)
As a side note I don't know what other abilities he may have posted during test plays but here is a suggestion. (Not that it really matters since I doubt there is time to test it)
You may look at a reserve, if yours, you may exchange your revelation Evil Character (or a revelation beast in discard pile) with a Revelation evil character in your reserve.
Rod of Moses interacts with plagues but they have to be from Exodus, so there should at least be an entry for "Exodus Plagues" beyond that, I can't think of any.
Exodus Plagues
There are 10 plagues listed in the book of Exodus. The following cards refer to the plagues in
Exodus:
● Moses’ Rod (G)
The following Redemption® cards are considered plagues found in Exodus:
● Death of Firstborn (Pa), Plague of Blood (Pa), Plague of Boils (G), Plague of Flies
(P), Plague of Flies (UL), Plague of Frogs (G), Plague of Hail (G), Plague of Lice (G),
Shadow of Death (Ki), and Shadow of Death (Wa)
I am loving the Bowls! Shouldn't they have the identifier Plague though? (As Revelation calls them the last plagues he pours out on the Earth.)I'm trying to find the significance of using "Plague" as an identifier. There's currently no REG entry or cards that I can find which interact with "Plagues". As a general rule we don't add identifiers or create REG entries (which we do for all identifiers) unless they serve a specific purpose (EMPTY! on TGT being an exception).
I'm asking for the main reason that Revelation clearly claims that they are "the last plagues on the Earth" and I'd think it would be better to add that now instead of later when a card comes out that includes these Plagues too.
I'm asking for the main reason that Revelation clearly claims that they are "the last plagues on the Earth" and I'd think it would be better to add that now instead of later when a card comes out that includes these Plagues too.
If we were going to make a card that interacted with these plagues we would have done it this year. The likelihood of anything being printed in the next several years that involves the plagues from Revelation is almost non-existent.
We have set content planned out several years in advance. That plan is fluid but we know the overall sources and themes we'll be working with. I'm sure Redemption will revisit Revelation eventually in some form or another. There's still a lot we didn't get to this year. But that won't happen soon. This year is Revelation's day in the spotlight.
As a general rule we don't add identifiers or create REG entries (which we do for all identifiers) unless they serve a specific purpose (EMPTY! on TGT being an exception).
Who’s ready for a little freak out moment? You sure? You might want to sit down just in case…
Okay, here goes…
Now I know what you’re thinking, “WHY ARE EARTH ARE THEY PUTTING THIS ABILITY ON A CARD?!?!” To be honest, when I first suggested the idea during a brainstorming session, I could hardly believe I was saying it myself. Let me attempt to explain our reasoning and hopefully this will keep everyone calm. As I mentioned in the "Jesus Freaks" article about the martyr theme on Land of Redemption, one of the things we are trying to do is to give offensive themes a card that will be a “finisher” or “closer.” Something that can help give offense the final edge it needs to finish games before they time out. However, we don’t want those to be something that can simply be used as an endgame strategy in a defensive heavy deck (yes, we’re looking at you Watchful Servant).
If you think back to any game you’ve played with or against Disciples, how often do you recall the Disciples player having all 12 Disciples on the table? Probably not very often, and I’m guessing many times they weren’t even using all 12 in the deck, because a Disciples deck doesn’t need all 12—usually just enough to make Thaddeus roll over most defenses will suffice. However, this card will give people a reason to use all 12 and will make up for the inherent disadvantage of using the “weaker” Disciples like Andrew, James Son of Zebedee and Matthias (unless you’re running Holy Spirit) that don’t see much play. We’re not trying to say that Disciples have gotten weaker—in fact I think they are still one of the strongest themes—but we’ve certainly created a few more counters to their usual “closer” (Thaddeus). If someone does get all 12, then it is likely close to the end of the game anyway when we want games to finish. This card is also very preventable (unless used by John, the Apocalypstist or Thomas) and it will give the Disciple player an interesting decision: do they attack with a low numbered Hero to try and play this or do they attack with a nearly invincible Thaddeus with the whole group in play?
As always, we welcome your feedback on this card. If you feel like this card is way too strong, then I urge you to play a game or two using a Disciples deck (include a proxy card for this one), and I think you'll see just how difficult it is to not only get all 12 Disciples on the table, but also keep them there long enough to use this. If you think of it as a quasi-Alternate Win Condition, I think you'll truly appreciate the challenge. 8)
I'm perfectly happy with TFP as he was previewed. I'll be using that version in decks. If you prefer to use the UR version over the new one then I feel like that's a win too.I think the reasoning here is sound. I think more than anything the disappointment of TFP is from him being an iconic Evil character in the bible and when translated to Redemption only being decent. It's not a bad thing and Cloud does make for high expectations out of a set, it's just a little disappointing. Its basically the same of how I feel about the EC one. (Though I still feel the EC one has more potential with its second ability if it becomes relevant) It's not going to be a rare that you're going to be excited to see as a competitive player, but otherwise yeah I see some excitement for it. ( In sealed formats it won't disappoint) So all things said it's OK.
As for rarity, there are a number of reasons we make cards rare. One is to make them harder to pull in a booster draft. An 8/12 blocker than can use 3 different brigades is essentially a stand alone character for booster. We don't really want him in a common slot. If he has one or two fewer brigades that would be OK.
Who’s ready for a little freak out moment? You sure? You might want to sit down just in case…
Okay, here goes…
Now I know what you’re thinking, “WHY ARE EARTH ARE THEY PUTTING THIS ABILITY ON A CARD?!?!” To be honest, when I first suggested the idea during a brainstorming session, I could hardly believe I was saying it myself. Let me attempt to explain our reasoning and hopefully this will keep everyone calm. As I mentioned in the "Jesus Freaks" article about the martyr theme on Land of Redemption, one of the things we are trying to do is to give offensive themes a card that will be a “finisher” or “closer.” Something that can help give offense the final edge it needs to finish games before they time out. However, we don’t want those to be something that can simply be used as an endgame strategy in a defensive heavy deck (yes, we’re looking at you Watchful Servant).
If you think back to any game you’ve played with or against Disciples, how often do you recall the Disciples player having all 12 Disciples on the table? Probably not very often, and I’m guessing many times they weren’t even using all 12 in the deck, because a Disciples deck doesn’t need all 12—usually just enough to make Thaddeus roll over most defenses will suffice. However, this card will give people a reason to use all 12 and will make up for the inherent disadvantage of using the “weaker” Disciples like Andrew, James Son of Zebedee and Matthias (unless you’re running Holy Spirit) that don’t see much play. We’re not trying to say that Disciples have gotten weaker—in fact I think they are still one of the strongest themes—but we’ve certainly created a few more counters to their usual “closer” (Thaddeus). If someone does get all 12, then it is likely close to the end of the game anyway when we want games to finish. This card is also very preventable (unless used by John, the Apocalypstist or Thomas) and it will give the Disciple player an interesting decision: do they attack with a low numbered Hero to try and play this or do they attack with a nearly invincible Thaddeus with the whole group in play?
As always, we welcome your feedback on this card. If you feel like this card is way too strong, then I urge you to play a game or two using a Disciples deck (include a proxy card for this one), and I think you'll see just how difficult it is to not only get all 12 Disciples on the table, but also keep them there long enough to use this. If you think of it as a quasi-Alternate Win Condition, I think you'll truly appreciate the challenge. 8)
Maybe you should at the least change it so that if all 12 disciples are in play not necessarily you control all 12.
But, if it doesn't change, then it'll only elicit an "Oh well" from me.
I'm perfectly happy with TFP as he was previewed. I'll be using that version in decks. If you prefer to use the UR version over the new one then I feel like that's a win too.You asked for it: ;)
As for rarity, there are a number of reasons we make cards rare. One is to make them harder to pull in a booster draft.
Rod of Moses interacts with plagues but they have to be from Exodus, so there should at least be an entry for "Exodus Plagues" beyond that, I can't think of any.
I also agree that, I'm not that scared of DotL! PLEASE, PLEASE keep all of your disciples in your Fishing Boat until you get all 12, and I'll make sure you lose every single one of them!
I would like to note that the four horseman card says 92 on the list but the card has number 93. Which is right?
I really feel like the "Seventh Bowl of Wrath" should discard a Fortress in play or set aside area. As it stands, the set aside area is safe and we are talking about end times so nothing should be safe.
I really feel like the "Seventh Bowl of Wrath" should discard a Fortress in play or set aside area. As it stands, the set aside area is safe and we are talking about end times so nothing should be safe.
In fact I feel that 6th should Discard a Site to do something as it dries up the Euphrates, and I'd think that would be a Site if it was made.
I'm perfectly happy with TFP as he was previewed. I'll be using that version in decks. If you prefer to use the UR version over the new one then I feel like that's a win too.
As for rarity, there are a number of reasons we make cards rare. One is to make them harder to pull in a booster draft. An 8/12 blocker than can use 3 different brigades is essentially a stand alone character for booster. We don't really want him in a common slot. If he has one or two fewer brigades that would be OK.
I'm interested to hear people's first impressions of the new Strong Angel. With the old versions already being one of the best Heroes in the game it was rather challenging for us to make a new version that might give players a choice between the 3 versions of this amazing Hero!
I'm interested to hear people's first impressions of the new Strong Angel. With the old versions already being one of the best Heroes in the game it was rather challenging for us to make a new version that might give players a choice between the 3 versions of this amazing Hero!
True. They'll know soon enough...
Gabe mentioned that they had cut some of the previewed cards already. Hopefully we'll find out which one's got axed in case some folks have already started building decks with the new cards.
Sword of Death (also spoiled today)I can't find this anywhere.
Should Trumpet Judgments be able to discard multicolored Sites? I don't like that it can discard New Jerusalem.
It appears that link got missed in the article. I have messaged Gabe so I'm sure he'll fix when he as a chance. In any case, it's card #128. 8)I have Imitating Evil as #128. I'm so confused, lol.
Sword of Death is 127. I'll upload it as soon as I get to my computer.Thanks!
LoR will have all the card graphics in our repository soon after they are finalized.
can't wait to use locust form the pit to make Namaan a 1/1, then get him converted to a 1/1 hero when he dies
can't wait to use locust form the pit to make Namaan a 1/1, then get him converted to a 1/1 hero when he dies
Can't wait to steal your Namaan with The Guiding Angel... ;)
can't wait to use locust form the pit to make Namaan a 1/1, then get him converted to a 1/1 hero when he dies
QuoteShould Trumpet Judgments be able to discard multicolored Sites? I don't like that it can discard New Jerusalem.
At the moment, it can. However, we are adjusting it to only be able to discard Evil Fortresses.
We felt that one of Michael's "weaknesses" (especially if he's not holding Angel's Sword) is that he will typically give up initiative. Angels have plenty of interrupts/negates (Flaming Sword, Striking Herod, Walking on Water, Protection of Angels, Swift Beings), but what a Hero like Michael might struggle against is the "chump" blocks of DoU, SSS and Bel's Banquet. This new Michael's Sword gives the player a way to combat that.
Negating protect abilities is what Coliseum is for...but if you want to negate protect abilities without running Coliseum, you can still use the old Michael's Sword. :P
We felt that one of Michael's "weaknesses" (especially if he's not holding Angel's Sword) is that he will typically give up initiative. Angels have plenty of interrupts/negates (Flaming Sword, Striking Herod, Walking on Water, Protection of Angels, Swift Beings), but what a Hero like Michael might struggle against is the "chump" blocks of DoU, SSS and Bel's Banquet. This new Michael's Sword gives the player a way to combat that.
For Words of the Accuser, should it have "You may" at the beginning or is it supposed to always immediately discard itself if it's not prevented?
Negating protect abilities is what Coliseum is for...but if you want to negate protect abilities without running Coliseum, you can still use the old Michael's Sword. :P
We felt that one of Michael's "weaknesses" (especially if he's not holding Angel's Sword) is that he will typically give up initiative. Angels have plenty of interrupts/negates (Flaming Sword, Striking Herod, Walking on Water, Protection of Angels, Swift Beings), but what a Hero like Michael might struggle against is the "chump" blocks of DoU, SSS and Bel's Banquet. This new Michael's Sword gives the player a way to combat that.
About Famine, its ability is Discard the top card of each other player's deck. Decrease a hero X/X. X = Strength of discarded card.
Two questions.
1) Was it intended to discard from a teammate's deck? (If so, awesome)
2) If multiple cards are discarded, how do you determine X? Do you pick?
Now, I am really disappointed with The First Seal. (Not Conquerer, just the Enhancement.) Is it possible to add something like: "If a Warrior Class Human was discarded: Negate Characters" or "Protect your Heroes from the Discarded Character's brigade" or something? Because there is a fair amount of Silver "Discard an EC" and they just land as meh or terrible (see Eaten by Worms (I) ) and I'd like to see First Seal do a little bit more for me losing a very useful EC.
And I still feel as if the Sixth Seal should at be an ItB... to make it playable... and can we be honest? Silver really has very few Good ItB's that are not just "Negate Enhancement/Negate last" and that's really just Striking Herod and Protection of Angels (which are both great) and Swift Beings (which I still feel that Silver got short changed there)
In regards to the Sixth Seal (Terror), what would it be classified as (besides symbolic) in regards to targeting--only an evil character? This could apply to all of the seals but mainly this one since there is no picture of a character of some sort on it. I'm thinking about cards that target male evil characters, demons, beasts, animals, etc. and how those types of cards target these evil character seals.
Doesn't the sixth seal return all evil characters in battle to hand? How can it also be played preblock with Ethiopian treasurer because isn't it silver?
Swift beings is a daniel enhancement, which makes it more useful than if it was another book. it is recurable with the new daniel and can be used with the foretelling angel to speed through your deck. sure it's not the best silver card, but I don't think you are giving it enough credit.And I still feel as if the Sixth Seal should at be an ItB... to make it playable... and can we be honest? Silver really has very few Good ItB's that are not just "Negate Enhancement/Negate last" and that's really just Striking Herod and Protection of Angels (which are both great) and Swift Beings (which I still feel that Silver got short changed there)
How many ItB enhancements does Blue have? Since you probably don't know, there are 2. Only one is even halfway playable (Eve's Descendant), and even then it is almost never used in competitive decks. Silver could have it worse.
Love The Haunting Spirits! It will be great with Tartaros!
Seems like there's still going to be 3 cards that are unknown after the player cards and URs are revealed later... unless the set isn't 129 cards after all... :scratch:
Now, I am really disappointed with The First Seal. (Not Conquerer, just the Enhancement.) Is it possible to add something like: "If a Warrior Class Human was discarded: Negate Characters" or "Protect your Heroes from the Discarded Character's brigade" or something? Because there is a fair amount of Silver "Discard an EC" and they just land as meh or terrible (see Eaten by Worms (I) ) and I'd like to see First Seal do a little bit more for me losing a very useful EC.
First, not all Silver cards printed in RoJ are expected to be auto-adds to Silver decks.
Second, the playtesters have spacial limitations to deal with for every card ability.
Third, I think you are seriously underestimating the value of Dual Alignment cards in decks that can utilize both sides of the card. Improving deck consistency at the cost of sacrificing just a bit of power almost always makes decks better in CCGs.And I still feel as if the Sixth Seal should at be an ItB... to make it playable... and can we be honest? Silver really has very few Good ItB's that are not just "Negate Enhancement/Negate last" and that's really just Striking Herod and Protection of Angels (which are both great) and Swift Beings (which I still feel that Silver got short changed there)
How many ItB enhancements does Blue have? Since you probably don't know, there are 2. Only one is even halfway playable (Eve's Descendant), and even then it is almost never used in competitive decks. Silver could have it worse.
Long rant about why the new seals are bad...
Seems like there's still going to be 3 cards that are unknown after the player cards and URs are revealed later... unless the set isn't 129 cards after all... :scratch:
Long rant about why the new seals are bad...
You're thinking from a strictly mono-silver offense perspective. Even then several of your points are debatable. The versatility that the new seals offer goes a long way towards the overall power level of the card.
I agree that the new seals won't always be the best choice. When an old card is playable we try to make a reprint that is strictly better. The fact that people will still use the old ones sometimes, but also use the new ones sometimes is a win for both new players and veterans alike.
P.S. - Silver has a large selection of negate Enhancements available to choose from.
Swift beings is a daniel enhancement, which makes it more useful than if it was another book. it is recurable with the new daniel and can be used with the foretelling angel to speed through your deck. sure it's not the best silver card, but I don't think you are giving it enough credit.And I still feel as if the Sixth Seal should at be an ItB... to make it playable... and can we be honest? Silver really has very few Good ItB's that are not just "Negate Enhancement/Negate last" and that's really just Striking Herod and Protection of Angels (which are both great) and Swift Beings (which I still feel that Silver got short changed there)
How many ItB enhancements does Blue have? Since you probably don't know, there are 2. Only one is even halfway playable (Eve's Descendant), and even then it is almost never used in competitive decks. Silver could have it worse.
They won't be fooled again Gabe... ::)
They won't be fooled again Gabe... ::)
Not sure what your spoiled Fortress has to do with The Who!
FWIW, I am kinda disappointed with the four horsemen/seals in general. Third seal is awesome as an enhancement but other than that they are not very good... I feel like these could have been the cornerstone of the set but instead they have starter deck abilities.
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I'm slightly worried about the power of Covenant with Prayer. Up to this point the cards you could pull out of reserve were pretty specific (Demons pull out demons, watchman pulls out prophets, etc) except for the lost soul but that's balanced by having to wait to draw the card you pick. Being able to target literally any kind of card and put it straight to your hand means every deck that doesn't have some kind of specific plan for reserve (Like demons seem to) will just play Covenant with Prayer and a reserve with 10 of the hardest counters to whatever decks are popular.
I'm slightly worried about the power of Covenant with Prayer. Up to this point the cards you could pull out of reserve were pretty specific (Demons pull out demons, watchman pulls out prophets, etc) except for the lost soul but that's balanced by having to wait to draw the card you pick. Being able to target literally any kind of card and put it straight to your hand means every deck that doesn't have some kind of specific plan for reserve (Like demons seem to) will just play Covenant with Prayer and a reserve with 10 of the hardest counters to whatever decks are popular.
I don't know, I find it comparable to the newer version of Search. I think Power of Prayer is a great card with obvious versatility.
I'm slightly worried about the power of Covenant with Prayer. Up to this point the cards you could pull out of reserve were pretty specific (Demons pull out demons, watchman pulls out prophets, etc) except for the lost soul but that's balanced by having to wait to draw the card you pick. Being able to target literally any kind of card and put it straight to your hand means every deck that doesn't have some kind of specific plan for reserve (Like demons seem to) will just play Covenant with Prayer and a reserve with 10 of the hardest counters to whatever decks are popular.
I don't know, I find it comparable to the newer version of Search. I think Covenant of Prayer is a great card with obvious versatility.
If this was just an enhancement like search I wouldn't be nearly as concerned.
Can we just talk for five seconds about how the Michael reprint is the most underwhelming thing everWhy do you think it's underwhelming? Seems pretty good to me.
Can we just talk for five seconds about how the Michael reprint is the most underwhelming thing ever and how the Red Dragon reprint is the most incredible thing ever and it's so cool and I'm so happy with it and boy oh boy is that ever how you do an ultra rare and I can't decide whether I want it or Three Woes more?
FWIW, I am kinda disappointed with the four horsemen/seals in general. Third seal is awesome as an enhancement but other than that they are not very good... I feel like these could have been the cornerstone of the set but instead they have starter deck abilities.
But thanks again for previewing the set like this and being respectful of criticisms
Agreed... unfortunately...
Can we just talk for five seconds about how the Michael reprint is the most underwhelming thing ever and how the Red Dragon reprint is the most incredible thing ever and it's so cool and I'm so happy with it and boy oh boy is that ever how you do an ultra rare and I can't decide whether I want it or Three Woes more?
Why is it that Michael can only band to a warrior class Revelation angels? Why can't he band to any warrior class angel? I mean it is Michael the Archangel!
Love The Haunting Spirits! It will be great with Tartaros!
If you are planning on discarding your Revelation demon with Haunting Spirits and then place the discarded demon in Tartaros, you won't be able to decrease a human 3/3. Tartaros is an "Instead" ability, and when something happens "Instead" of the cost in a cost-benefit ability, you don't get the benefit.
Just something to keep in mind.
Why is it that Michael can only band to a warrior class Revelation angels? Why can't he band to any warrior class angel? I mean it is Michael the Archangel!
You're right, it's a Revelation inspired representation of Michael
Why is it that Michael can only band to a warrior class Revelation angels? Why can't he band to any warrior class angel? I mean it is Michael the Archangel!
You're right, it's a Revelation inspired representation of Michael
Having Michael with ability to band is awesome but restricting him only to Revelation angels is not so awesome.
This could just be a difference in deck-building style or preference, but I think the versatility of the Seals is being vastly underrated by those who have been less than enthused with their abilities. A card that can be used to block as an EC or be used as a straight up battle winner on offense is so clutch.
This could just be a difference in deck-building style or preference, but I think the versatility of the Seals is being vastly underrated by those who have been less than enthused with their abilities. A card that can be used to block as an EC or be used as a straight up battle winner on offense is so clutch.
Exactly. In one playtest game (against TheGuardian, no less ;) ), I kept looking for opportunities to play Third Seal on offense, but it just wasn't there. Then I got attacked by a small hero, and the only EC that granted me initiative was Famine.
So I blocked and played Besieging the City and Confusion. There aren't many ECs that can play both of those, especially as a 2/3 EC :P
Joshua only bands to Joshua Heroes and he was one of last years best recuers!
Michael can band to TSA (Ki) for the same stats and a similar FBTN effect. He also has more
And better targets for his search and band. Seems pretty legit to me.
I'm upset they didn't use the art from Angel wars
I'm upset they didn't use the art from Angel wars
Don't even.
I'm upset they didn't use the art from Angel wars
Don't even.
To infinite and beyond!
@SignoftheStar
Perhaps another reason you might feel that way is that there sooooo many great Heroes in this set that maybe Michael doesn't stand that much higher than some of the other Heroes, and to be fair that is a completely valid viewpoint.
All of the playtesters agreed that Three Woes and Red Dragon would be URs. It was also pretty unanimous that the third UR should be a Hero. That's where it got interesting--among the group who worked on the rarities, there were four eventual nominations (including Michael) for which Hero to make UR.
However, those were just the nominations. In addition to Michael, John, the Apocalyptist, Great Multitude, Every Tribe, The Strong Angel and Twenty-Four Elders were all discussed as potential candidates for the UR Hero slot. In the end, we decided that we liked the symmetry of having Michael be the UR Hero and Red Dragon be the UR Evil Character.
I'm upset they didn't use the art from Angel wars
Personally, though, I would have had to vote for John the Apocalyst to be the hero UR instead of Michael. Michael is already a UR in Kings; he should have been a rare with TSA (I was surprised to see he was made a UR again). And with John's ability being so great with low numbers, and with the vast majority of this entire expansion being based off of his writings, I really think JtA should have been the crown jewel of this set in the form of the hero UR.
Completely unrelated from replies on this page but i just noticed this on the Angel from the Altar's special ability: "You may banish up to X evil cards in a discard pile or you may exchange a good card in hand with a good card in Reserve. Cannot be negated if Golden Altar is in play." Shouldn't it read "Cannot be negated if The Golden Altar is in play."? The Golden Altar is obviously being referred to but I feel that might clear any confusion that could arise, if only just from RLKs. Just a thought. An absolutely wonderful set though!
I'm upset they didn't use the art from Angel wars
It might not be too late, I'll check with Gabe.
I dunno... Kings Michael is my pride and joy. He's just about my favorite card in the game. I ran him for so so long in a mono-Silver offense. Making your Enhancements CBN is an unbelievably hard act to follow.
I throw Angel's Sword and Wheel Within a Wheel on him, and now he's 15/10, has Site Access, is protected from my opponent's Evil Dominants, has special initiative against Humans, and all of that AND all of his Enhancements are ALL CBN. Once I got that set up, the game almost always fell right into my hands.
I can't do that with this Michael. Yeah, he can't be negated, but where are my beautiful CBN Enhancements?
I'm upset they didn't use the art from Angel wars
Don't even.
To infinity and beyond!
Is no else excited because Covenant of Prayer can get your SoG back or is it just me?
Thanks Gabe for the awesome card!
So when will these cards be up on Lackey?
Is no else excited because Covenant of Prayer can get your SoG back or is it just me?
Thanks Gabe for the awesome card!
You're welcome! I feel like Confusion had such a huge impact on the meta this past year that I wanted to see a way to change that. We can make all kinds of preemptive counters, but if Confusion goes off before you get them it still doesn't matter. We generally don't ever want cards to come back from being banished so we might not see that ability on a card again.
So when will these cards be up on Lackey?
Once final tweaks have been made in the next day or two, we will work on getting the Lackey plug in updated with RoJ. Maybe we'll even be able to squeeze in Noah's Ark into the update... ::)
Who won Nats T2 2P and Booster?
Micheal is good, I'm not sure if he's "Enhancements played by Micheal cannot be negated" good, but if I had a way to easily swap between the two of them, I'd consider running both of them.
Some thoughts:QuoteMicheal is good, I'm not sure if he's "Enhancements played by Micheal cannot be negated" good, but if I had a way to easily swap between the two of them, I'd consider running both of them.
I agree with this.
Red Dragon is okay, but absolutely insane for draft. I'm glad it is an UR just so I won't have to run into it often there. If an orange ITB play next weapon is ever made, this card will be great in regular play also, but that has less to do with the ability and more to do with Worshiping Demons and Dragon's Wrath.
Covenant of Prayer should be good, definitely will make players think twice before banishing used dominants in discard piles. Makes a lot of the 'remove entire discard pile' cards pretty much unplayable. Add to that the new cards to get around Hezekiah's Signet Ring, and it looks like recursion will be getting a decent boost this year.
Oh, and I look forward to abusing Disciples of the Lamb to go from 0 to 7 rescued lost souls in a turn. Might not be practical, but we'll see. Should be fun (if not interactive) regardless :)
Some thoughts:QuoteMicheal is good, I'm not sure if he's "Enhancements played by Micheal cannot be negated" good, but if I had a way to easily swap between the two of them, I'd consider running both of them.
I agree with this.
Red Dragon is okay, but absolutely insane for draft. I'm glad it is an UR just so I won't have to run into it often there. If an orange ITB play next weapon is ever made, this card will be great in regular play also, but that has less to do with the ability and more to do with Worshiping Demons and Dragon's Wrath.
Covenant of Prayer should be good, definitely will make players think twice before banishing used dominants in discard piles. Makes a lot of the 'remove entire discard pile' cards pretty much unplayable. Add to that the new cards to get around Hezekiah's Signet Ring, and it looks like recursion will be getting a decent boost this year.
Oh, and I look forward to abusing Disciples of the Lamb to go from 0 to 7 rescued lost souls in a turn. Might not be practical, but we'll see. Should be fun (if not interactive) regardless :)
As strong as Abbadon and Red Dragon are, they still can't do anything about Three Nails (which will definitely be in most decks upon RoJ's release), unless of course there's an artifact negator/killer.
Some thoughts:QuoteMicheal is good, I'm not sure if he's "Enhancements played by Micheal cannot be negated" good, but if I had a way to easily swap between the two of them, I'd consider running both of them.
I agree with this.
Red Dragon is okay, but absolutely insane for draft. I'm glad it is an UR just so I won't have to run into it often there. If an orange ITB play next weapon is ever made, this card will be great in regular play also, but that has less to do with the ability and more to do with Worshiping Demons and Dragon's Wrath.
Covenant of Prayer should be good, definitely will make players think twice before banishing used dominants in discard piles. Makes a lot of the 'remove entire discard pile' cards pretty much unplayable. Add to that the new cards to get around Hezekiah's Signet Ring, and it looks like recursion will be getting a decent boost this year.
Oh, and I look forward to abusing Disciples of the Lamb to go from 0 to 7 rescued lost souls in a turn. Might not be practical, but we'll see. Should be fun (if not interactive) regardless :)
As strong as Abbadon and Red Dragon are, they still can't do anything about Three Nails (which will definitely be in most decks upon RoJ's release), unless of course there's an artifact negator/killer.
Three Woes is a thing now 😉
Some thoughts:QuoteMicheal is good, I'm not sure if he's "Enhancements played by Micheal cannot be negated" good, but if I had a way to easily swap between the two of them, I'd consider running both of them.
I agree with this.
Red Dragon is okay, but absolutely insane for draft. I'm glad it is an UR just so I won't have to run into it often there. If an orange ITB play next weapon is ever made, this card will be great in regular play also, but that has less to do with the ability and more to do with Worshiping Demons and Dragon's Wrath.
Covenant of Prayer should be good, definitely will make players think twice before banishing used dominants in discard piles. Makes a lot of the 'remove entire discard pile' cards pretty much unplayable. Add to that the new cards to get around Hezekiah's Signet Ring, and it looks like recursion will be getting a decent boost this year.
Oh, and I look forward to abusing Disciples of the Lamb to go from 0 to 7 rescued lost souls in a turn. Might not be practical, but we'll see. Should be fun (if not interactive) regardless :)
As strong as Abbadon and Red Dragon are, they still can't do anything about Three Nails (which will definitely be in most decks upon RoJ's release), unless of course there's an artifact negator/killer.
Three Woes is a thing now 😉
Some thoughts:QuoteMicheal is good, I'm not sure if he's "Enhancements played by Micheal cannot be negated" good, but if I had a way to easily swap between the two of them, I'd consider running both of them.
I agree with this.
Red Dragon is okay, but absolutely insane for draft. I'm glad it is an UR just so I won't have to run into it often there. If an orange ITB play next weapon is ever made, this card will be great in regular play also, but that has less to do with the ability and more to do with Worshiping Demons and Dragon's Wrath.
Covenant of Prayer should be good, definitely will make players think twice before banishing used dominants in discard piles. Makes a lot of the 'remove entire discard pile' cards pretty much unplayable. Add to that the new cards to get around Hezekiah's Signet Ring, and it looks like recursion will be getting a decent boost this year.
Oh, and I look forward to abusing Disciples of the Lamb to go from 0 to 7 rescued lost souls in a turn. Might not be practical, but we'll see. Should be fun (if not interactive) regardless :)
As strong as Abbadon and Red Dragon are, they still can't do anything about Three Nails (which will definitely be in most decks upon RoJ's release), unless of course there's an artifact negator/killer.
Three Woes is a thing now 😉
But Three Woes can't target neutral cards, only those of opposite alignment.
But Three Woes can't target neutral cards, only those of opposite alignment.
I dunno... Kings Michael is my pride and joy. He's just about my favorite card in the game. I ran him for so so long in a mono-Silver offense. Making your Enhancements CBN is an unbelievably hard act to follow.
I throw Angel's Sword and Wheel Within a Wheel on him, and now he's 15/10, has Site Access, is protected from my opponent's Evil Dominants, has special initiative against Humans, and all of that AND all of his Enhancements are ALL CBN. Once I got that set up, the game almost always fell right into my hands.
I can't do that with this Michael. Yeah, he can't be negated, but where are my beautiful CBN Enhancements?
I get the CBN enhancements thing, but consider the following:
If we made his ability just "CBN enhancements" again, wouldn't that be kinda boring? What would be the point of printing such a card when we already have 3 versions that do that, two of which are Revelation (one of which has WC and the other has the sweet artwork)?
If we made his ability "CBN enhancements" plus something else, then he pretty much makes all the other versions obsolete (with the one exception being the Kings version to use in a Daniel-based deck).
Neither of those options sounded very enticing, so we went a completely different direction. I honestly think that we now have 4 legit options (yes, even the Warriors version) depending on the type of offense you build, but I'm interested to hear what direction you would have taken with a new Michael.
But Three Woes can't target neutral cards, only those of opposite alignment.
Three Woes says "Place in territory: Negate a card of a different alignment than this card for one round. Each upkeep, you may negate a card of a different alignment than this card for one round."
Different alignment is not the same as opposite alignment. Different means neutral + either evil or good depending on how you played Three Woes. It will ALWAYS target neutral cards.
Three Woes just got a whole lot better huh? ;)
I think it would be easier to include Sword of the Spirit instead of Three Nails just because you are wasting a deck slot in case you play against Demons. Sword of the Spirit can target a wide variety of cards and can still do significant damage. There is also Golden Censor and Mark of the Beast which can get the job done as well. Three Nails might work if it was in the reserve they are just not too many cards that can get it out of their when you need it that I can think of.
The players have spoken and we've listened! We attempted to update Michael in a way that incorporates what everyone wants into one amazing card. Feast your eyes on...
Also card number 39 war in heaven is not openingThis has been corrected.
The players have spoken and we've listened! We attempted to update Michael in a way that incorporates what everyone wants into one amazing card. Feast your eyes on...
The players have spoken and we've listened! We attempted to update Michael in a way that incorporates what everyone wants into one amazing card. Feast your eyes on...
So he's no longer protected from demons? I'm disappointed.
The players have spoken and we've listened! We attempted to update Michael in a way that incorporates what everyone wants into one amazing card. Feast your eyes on...
I'm sure we will get an awesome Leviathan reprint some day. At the present the old Ap UR is still a very playable card in both animal and mixed crimson defenses.
When we were adding cards for the mini-theme Job defense we had room for one huge animal. We felt adding a new animal, particularly one that players have asked for, was a better choice than reprinting one that was already seeing play.
Tournament judges discretion how much "want to" you are displaying. :police:
I'm a bit confused as to how we are defining really really want to. I look forward to an extensive REG entry.
"Want To" Abilities
General Description
A "want to" ability is an ability that allows a player to activate an ability he wants to, or target any number of cards he wants to with a named special ability.
How to Play
When a "want to" ability is activated, its controller chooses a special ability to activate, or chooses any number of targets for a specified ability.
Default Conditions
● A "want to" ability that allows its controller to choose an ability must choose an ability that is currently defined in the REG.
● A "want to" ability that allows its controller to choose any number of targets for a specified ability defaults to play, unless stated otherwise in the specific ability that the "wants to" ability is choosing targets for.
Clarifications
● When naming a special ability of choice, all REG rules that apply to that ability also apply to the "want to" ability.
● The words "really want to" and "really really want to" mean the same as "want to".
I'm sure we will get an awesome Leviathan reprint some day. At the present the old Ap UR is still a very playable card in both animal and mixed crimson defenses.
When we were adding cards for the mini-theme Job defense we had room for one huge animal. We felt adding a new animal, particularly one that players have asked for, was a better choice than reprinting one that was already seeing play.
Fair enough. And I definitely like the Behemoth, so I agree, I would chose it over a new Leviathan.
Wow, Jambi, that's amazing! At the very least I imagine we will have to print a Leviathan in every evil brigade!
Wow, Jambi, that's amazing! At the very least I imagine we will have to print a Leviathan in every evil brigade!
Just call me up when you need some help with that :)
I forgot the one that searches for any card "depicting Buzz Lightyear".. I'm sure that's in Job somewhere... what translation are the references on Redemption cards using, again? (Actually, if you could answer that, that'd be great. I don't know!)
Wow, Jambi, that's amazing! At the very least I imagine we will have to print a Leviathan in every evil brigade!
Just call me up when you need some help with that :)
I forgot the one that searches for any card "depicting Buzz Lightyear".. I'm sure that's in Job somewhere... what translation are the references on Redemption cards using, again? (Actually, if you could answer that, that'd be great. I don't know!)
Now I really want an extremely small % of Michaels to have the depicting Buzz Lightyear identifier.
LOL
I have one question though... is there a way to have Servant Angel or something Search for Chamber? (Or just have something like Four Living Creatures Protect Chamber? Because I feel like one of those two (or both) could do something like that.
LOL
I have one question though... is there a way to have Servant Angel or something Search for Chamber? (Or just have something like Four Living Creatures Protect Chamber? Because I feel like one of those two (or both) could do something like that.
I have one question though... is there a way to have Servant Angel or something Search for Chamber? (Or just have something like Four Living Creatures Protect Chamber? Because I feel like one of those two (or both) could do something like that.
LOL
I have one question though... is there a way to have Servant Angel or something Search for Chamber? (Or just have something like Four Living Creatures Protect Chamber? Because I feel like one of those two (or both) could do something like that.
Chamber of Angels is not a card we're attempting to support with this year's set. The rumors that this was going to be Angel Wars 2 were only a joke.
Woot! Everything is awesome! (clever tie-in to Scott's Lego Movie-themed title on LoR) Can't wait to see what awaits for Friday's article and to start playing again! 8)I have one question though... is there a way to have Servant Angel or something Search for Chamber? (Or just have something like Four Living Creatures Protect Chamber? Because I feel like one of those two (or both) could do something like that.
Did you not see this?:
If Ends was printed as it began, it could've gotten it for you sooner too. But alas, 'tis a card of the mortal realm after all... ;)
Wow, Jambi, that's amazing! At the very least I imagine we will have to print a Leviathan in every evil brigade!Leviathan is the new Panic Demon. Just bigger and badder.
LOL
I have one question though... is there a way to have Servant Angel or something Search for Chamber? (Or just have something like Four Living Creatures Protect Chamber? Because I feel like one of those two (or both) could do something like that.
Chamber of Angels is not a card we're attempting to support with this year's set. The rumors that this was going to be Angel Wars 2 were only a joke.
I know that was a joke, but I would have preferred to see something to support it (even if it was a meh card. That and I doubt that there will ever be an AW2 but it hasn't stopped you guys from making supports for CoA before (Angel of Warning) but now it's too easy for an Opponent to break it and most Angel players are hurt by losing it. I don't see why we need to make an AW2 set just to have a card that says "Search Discard Pile for Chamber of Angels" or "Protect Set-Aside from Opponent's [or Evil cards]"
LOL
I have one question though... is there a way to have Servant Angel or something Search for Chamber? (Or just have something like Four Living Creatures Protect Chamber? Because I feel like one of those two (or both) could do something like that.
Another option is that you could not run Chamber. It isn't that great of a card. Please take everyone else's advice on your suggestions to heart.LOL
I have one question though... is there a way to have Servant Angel or something Search for Chamber? (Or just have something like Four Living Creatures Protect Chamber? Because I feel like one of those two (or both) could do something like that.
Chamber of Angels is not a card we're attempting to support with this year's set. The rumors that this was going to be Angel Wars 2 were only a joke.
I know that was a joke, but I would have preferred to see something to support it (even if it was a meh card. That and I doubt that there will ever be an AW2 but it hasn't stopped you guys from making supports for CoA before (Angel of Warning) but now it's too easy for an Opponent to break it and most Angel players are hurt by losing it. I don't see why we need to make an AW2 set just to have a card that says "Search Discard Pile for Chamber of Angels" or "Protect Set-Aside from Opponent's [or Evil cards]"
Let's move the focus back to the new set--there's been a lot of discussion about Michael, but hardly any on the winner cards, which I find surprising.
I think all three are going to show up in a ton of decks this year (much like the winner cards last year). 8)
Will all six player created cards be used in the same deck is more interesting to me.
I would use all of these winner cards in a type 1 deck. Ends of the Earth is a great way to create lost souls without limiting your attack. Not Alone helps against capture artifacts and can go in any deck. And the Covenant is probably a staple because you don't have to waste space to put it in, basically gets sog back if you need to or becomes a wild card.
I get the CBN enhancements thing, but consider the following:
If we made his ability just "CBN enhancements" again, wouldn't that be kinda boring? What would be the point of printing such a card when we already have 3 versions that do that, two of which are Revelation (one of which has WC and the other has the sweet artwork)?
If we made his ability "CBN enhancements" plus something else, then he pretty much makes all the other versions obsolete (with the one exception being the Kings version to use in a Daniel-based deck).
Neither of those options sounded very enticing, so we went a completely different direction. I honestly think that we now have 4 legit options (yes, even the Warriors version) depending on the type of offense you build, but I'm interested to hear what direction you would have taken with a new Michael.
I would have made him 2 color like red and silver and kept the CBN ability so he could use even more enhancements.
Also card number 39 war in heaven is not opening
Another option is that you could not run Chamber. It isn't that great of a card. Please take everyone else's advice on your suggestions to heart.LOL
I have one question though... is there a way to have Servant Angel or something Search for Chamber? (Or just have something like Four Living Creatures Protect Chamber? Because I feel like one of those two (or both) could do something like that.
Chamber of Angels is not a card we're attempting to support with this year's set. The rumors that this was going to be Angel Wars 2 were only a joke.
I know that was a joke, but I would have preferred to see something to support it (even if it was a meh card. That and I doubt that there will ever be an AW2 but it hasn't stopped you guys from making supports for CoA before (Angel of Warning) but now it's too easy for an Opponent to break it and most Angel players are hurt by losing it. I don't see why we need to make an AW2 set just to have a card that says "Search Discard Pile for Chamber of Angels" or "Protect Set-Aside from Opponent's [or Evil cards]"
If CBN protected from an entire defense with a supercharged Joshua-type ability isn't amazing to you, I don't know what is... :P
Let's move the focus back to the new set--there's been a lot of discussion about Michael, but hardly any on the winner cards, which I find surprising.
I think all three are going to show up in a ton of decks this year (much like the winner cards last year). 8)
If CBN protected from an entire defense with a supercharged Joshua-type ability isn't amazing to you, I don't know what is... :P
Protecting from a single defense is still not interesting enough to me. Yeah, he can't be hurt by demons, but at least 85% of defenses don't use demons- even after the release of this set.
Chamber is a lot better then you think. Unless you think losing Place cards, Weapons and everything else is fine. Or losing everything to a Banish all is fine. It's not the fastest card, but especially with the new Everlasting Beings and the Protection setup that can be run with Heavenly Temple, your better off playing it.
If CBN protected from an entire defense with a supercharged Joshua-type ability isn't amazing to you, I don't know what is... :P
Protecting from a single defense is still not interesting enough to me. Yeah, he can't be hurt by demons, but at least 85% of defenses don't use demons- even after the release of this set.
Everyone, watch out! this man knows what everyone is playing for defenses this year!
Protecting from a single defense is still not interesting enough to me. Yeah, he can't be hurt by demons, but at least 85% of defenses don't use demons- even after the release of this set.
I would much rather be able to set up an array of silver Enhancements that will run the whole gamut of defenses out there and rest assured that my opponent won't be able to stop them.
Yes, I'm afraid that IS still more impressive to me.
The players have spoken and we've listened! We attempted to update Michael in a way that incorporates what everyone wants into one amazing card. Feast your eyes on...
I'm a bit confused as to how we are defining really really want to. I look forward to an extensive REG entry.Quote from: The REG"Want To" Abilities
General Description
A "want to" ability is an ability that allows a player to activate an ability he wants to, or target any number of cards he wants to with a named special ability.
How to Play
When a "want to" ability is activated, its controller chooses a special ability to activate, or chooses any number of targets for a specified ability.
Default Conditions
● A "want to" ability that allows its controller to choose an ability must choose an ability that is currently defined in the REG.
● A "want to" ability that allows its controller to choose any number of targets for a specified ability defaults to play, unless stated otherwise in the specific ability that the "wants to" ability is choosing targets for.
Clarifications
● When naming a special ability of choice, all REG rules that apply to that ability also apply to the "want to" ability.
● The words "really want to" and "really really want to" mean the same as "want to".
If CBN protected from an entire defense with a supercharged Joshua-type ability isn't amazing to you, I don't know what is... :P
Protecting from a single defense is still not interesting enough to me. Yeah, he can't be hurt by demons, but at least 85% of defenses don't use demons- even after the release of this set.
Everyone, watch out! this man knows what everyone is playing for defenses this year!
tsk, alright, alright, I'm not a fortune teller any more than anyone else. I'm sorry if that sounded presumptive.
Personally, I've had a lot of trouble running demons myself, and I have never, ever run into a demon offense in a tournament-level Redemption game.
But protection against, at the very very most, 1/7 of blockers in exchange for turning the entire arsenal of silver Enhancements CBN just isn't worth it to me.
I love the ends of the earth and the good version of lurking. I think that the ends of the earth will probably be best used in teams, but that's just my opinion. regardless, i am very happy with the ability that it got, knowing how much debating and deliberation there was going on about it!
....Say.
If you put Angel's Sword on The New Strong Angel and he get's blocked by a Human, you could drop TWO Enhancements.
.......
Ooh.
Strong indeed.
I love this set.
Throw Angel's Sword and Wheel on Michael, band him to The Strong Angel (RoJ), play any Revelation enhancement on TSA, play The Third Seal (WA) off Angel's Sword, win. 8)
Throw Angel's Sword and Wheel on Michael, band him to The Strong Angel (RoJ), play any Revelation enhancement on TSA, play The Third Seal (WA) off Angel's Sword, win. 8)
TSA (RoJ) tosses Third Seal (Warriors), probably by design...
I'm curious how many angel fans plan to use The Four Living Creatures and Wheel within a Wheel to pull all their O.T. angels out of deck quickly? Too bad WwaW doesn't get N.T. angels. ::)
I'm curious how many angel fans plan to use The Four Living Creatures and Wheel within a Wheel to pull all their O.T. angels out of deck quickly? Too bad WwaW doesn't get N.T. angels. ::)
For the Justice Seekers is it supposed to specify it cannot negate neutral cards? On a larger note is it able to be activated off of any discard ability?It doesn't negate anything so I'm not sure what your first question is referencing. Yes as long as it's used by an opponent.
For the Justice Seekers is it supposed to specify it cannot negate neutral cards? On a larger note is it able to be activated off of any discard ability?It doesn't negate anything so I'm not sure what your first question is referencing. Yes as long as it's used by an opponent.
Also, just realized your Justice Seekers can discard a lost soul from your own territory.
For the Justice Seekers is it supposed to specify it cannot negate neutral cards? On a larger note is it able to be activated off of any discard ability?It doesn't negate anything so I'm not sure what your first question is referencing. Yes as long as it's used by an opponent.
Also, just realized your Justice Seekers can discard a lost soul from your own territory.
I believe we modified that rule last year, unless an ability specifically targets a lost soul you cannot discard them
Will the cards from the last Rock of Ages tin (#26), such as Scattered, Foreign Wives, etc. be among the Rock of Ages cards in the RoJ packs?
Will the cards from the last Rock of Ages tin (#26), such as Scattered, Foreign Wives, etc. be among the Rock of Ages cards in the RoJ packs?
I hope so but I haven't seen them in EC card boxes since the release at Nationals so maybe not.
I'm curious how many angel fans plan to use The Four Living Creatures and Wheel within a Wheel to pull all their O.T. angels out of deck quickly? Too bad WwaW doesn't get N.T. angels. ::)
I'm curious how many angel fans plan to use The Four Living Creatures and Wheel within a Wheel to pull all their O.T. angels out of deck quickly? Too bad WwaW doesn't get N.T. angels. ::)
Ha, I think that nifty trick will almost exclusively be used to ensure you'll always have AutO or Captain in a Judges offense. FLC is even part gold, protects your hand from Mayhem and can easily draw an extra card if you splash a HT Artifact or two into your deck (Golden Censer/Sea o' Glass I could see w/ Judges). Whose idea was this?? :o
Proofs have been sent to Rob! 8)
Keep an eye on Land of Redemption this week for a couple articles outlining some of the updates we've made since cards were previewed in the past couple of weeks. :thumbup:
Any word on when a Lackey update might be out? I'm ready to start working on my deck. lol
You mean something like this? 8)Looks nice! Yeah you can tell it's a little older. No reason to make a full art for the old Guardian of your souls with the new one being better. Still would be awesome. (Plus I think it would look better than a Red Dragon Full Art but that's my opinion)
Before you get too excited, this was just a potential mock-up that Gabe did for me. (Obviously before we knew we were reprinting GoyS).
I think when it says in territory it means your territory. If it said a territory it would be broken because a territory means you could select any territory.
I guess it was more a question for Browarod? I think he was who was updating it before?Lambo was actually doing that before, and he's the only one (I know of) that knows how to mass update/create entries (like for importing a new set). I was certainly doing my best to help update articles after the initial mass posting but alas I don't know enough about wikia coding/back end management to get it updated with everything it's missing.
Can we expect an update to the Redemption wiki?
http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Redemption_Wiki (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Redemption_Wiki)
Is it too late for changes? I don't know if this has been covered but the wording on "The Great White Throne" seems problematic.
"You may banish an evil card in discard pile to search deck for a Hero. At any time, you may discard an evil card in territory to force opponent to withdraw all but one Evil Character in battle."
So the way I read that you could discard all evil characters, fortresses and curses at any time. That would be obviously broken and I don't believe that would be the intention but with that wording why couldn't you? It doesn't say once a turn, or that you have to withdraw an evil character for it to work, or that it even has to be the battle phase.
On other cards like the ones that discard all the cards in a hand, they work even if the opponent doesn't have any cards in hand, so to be consistent:
"I discard your curse to force you to withdraw all but Red Dragon. But I only have Red Dragon in battle?!?
That's ok, even though all is zero you are still withdrawing all but one evil character, now I discard your coliseum to do it again, then all your characters in territory and once the battle ends, the Red Dragon who is in territory now. Great, I guess I shouldn't play much defense anymore."
I would love to know if there is some combination of rules that prevent this but even if there is, I think this could use some rewriting to clarify.
The "at any time" could make for one very broken combo...depending on what the current rules for stalling are...
Either way, FooF Protection of Jerusalem might be fun to play around with too.
Is it too late for changes? I don't know if this has been covered but the wording on "The Great White Throne" seems problematic.
"You may banish an evil card in discard pile to search deck for a Hero. At any time, you may discard an evil card in territory to force opponent to withdraw all but one Evil Character in battle."
So the way I read that you could discard all evil characters, fortresses and curses at any time. That would be obviously broken and I don't believe that would be the intention but with that wording why couldn't you? It doesn't say once a turn, or that you have to withdraw an evil character for it to work, or that it even has to be the battle phase.
On other cards like the ones that discard all the cards in a hand, they work even if the opponent doesn't have any cards in hand, so to be consistent:
"I discard your curse to force you to withdraw all but Red Dragon. But I only have Red Dragon in battle?!?
That's ok, even though all is zero you are still withdrawing all but one evil character, now I discard your coliseum to do it again, then all your characters in territory and once the battle ends, the Red Dragon who is in territory now. Great, I guess I shouldn't play much defense anymore."
I would love to know if there is some combination of rules that prevent this but even if there is, I think this could use some rewriting to clarify.
Is it too late for changes? I don't know if this has been covered but the wording on "The Great White Throne" seems problematic.
"You may banish an evil card in discard pile to search deck for a Hero. At any time, you may discard an evil card in territory to force opponent to withdraw all but one Evil Character in battle."
So the way I read that you could discard all evil characters, fortresses and curses at any time. That would be obviously broken and I don't believe that would be the intention but with that wording why couldn't you? It doesn't say once a turn, or that you have to withdraw an evil character for it to work, or that it even has to be the battle phase.
On other cards like the ones that discard all the cards in a hand, they work even if the opponent doesn't have any cards in hand, so to be consistent:
"I discard your curse to force you to withdraw all but Red Dragon. But I only have Red Dragon in battle?!?
That's ok, even though all is zero you are still withdrawing all but one evil character, now I discard your coliseum to do it again, then all your characters in territory and once the battle ends, the Red Dragon who is in territory now. Great, I guess I shouldn't play much defense anymore."
I would love to know if there is some combination of rules that prevent this but even if there is, I think this could use some rewriting to clarify.
Does "in territory" perhaps mean in your territory? Because if they wanted it to say in any territory I would think they would say "discard an evil card in a territory".
QuoteThe "at any time" could make for one very broken combo...depending on what the current rules for stalling are...
Can you elaborate? I'm not sure I understand where the problem lies...QuoteEither way, FooF Protection of Jerusalem might be fun to play around with too.
That's a fun combo for sure, but this set also introduces more ways to counter it. 8)
Please sticky! :police: