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Drew, you actually do have a requirement to submit to Pol. He does outrank you. Or, at least, he should. If you are called to lay down your life for a friend, I don't think it too drastic to say that you are called to lay down your rights to a friend. Christianity is about servanthood. And in servanthood, well, everyone outranks you.

Drew, you actually do have a requirement to submit to Pol. He does outrank you. Or, at least, he should. If you are called to lay down your life for a friend, I don't think it too drastic to say that you are called to lay down your rights to a friend. Christianity is about servanthood. And in servanthood, well, everyone outranks you.

I completely and utterly disagree.  This is probably the most incorrect thing I've seen on the forums.  Why on Earth should Drew submit to Pol?  If there's any laying down of rights, Pol should equally consider laying down his "right" to privacy for Drew.  Drew is fufilling Jesus' mandate to go and make disciples in his own way.

Not that I completely agree with Drew's reaction.  I think that both sides had a part with their reactions, but Drew is no more to blame than Pol.

Alex, if you'd like to practice what you preach, submit to my saying you should accept everything I say, and surrender your right to respond.

It wasn't that we shouldn't submit to our leaders (the Bible's pretty clear on that), it was his allegation that everyone was our leader.

Philippians 2:
Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others. In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!

If Polarius (or Alex, for that matter) demanded blind obedience from you or anyone else in this thread (which I distinguish from servanthood, but both require submission), I invite evidence that he did so.

Explain what part of that is not.

lol oh man, I come back from work and I miss a lot! Just to clear some things up.

Everyone in the playgroup up until this past weekend are 18+. I'm talking about South Florida. I have not been to other states yet or out of state tournaments. I would like to and have the means to, but by the looks of how things pan online I'd imagine would not like to meet some of these people in person. I can say newer & younger people are coming on board in our local playgroup (South FL) so yes, I'd have to be a little bit more careful now. But to let you know I have the legal means both documentation & equipment to make this all possible, of which it would be great if some people were just grateful for once rather than making an argument.

Let's say I do go out of state and meet some of you, of course I'd ask adults and guardians of minors, as well as seek counsel with the local tournament host and other forms of authority. I don't know why some seem to perceive me as some raging rebel. We've experienced much good fruit.

I saw another assumption that deck lists and some other things or the sort are revealed before the tournament ends or something like that. Again, I don't understand how people are getting these assumptions. If they've been to even one tournament (in South FL) then they'd finally understand how things pan out. Even if someone did come up to me with some PDA device they will not have permission to touch any of the media I collect. If they try to, it's because they want to cheat and will be disqualified from the tournament and taken out by security.

How could I record Pol? He's not even in FL. I don't know why so many people are under the assumption that I go around recording people without their permission. Many of the current playgroup are adults which do give me permission. It's also obvious that I would ask a minor's parents for permission. If some of you haven't noticed, the videos have the license statement attached to them. As well as the webzine has the license statement & notice before you even read it. Just so all you people online can take a breath in ease and enjoy it!

Regarding state laws and such, I stated earlier that I have the means to obtain model releases from people. It wouldn't matter what state if they have specifically stated in a legal document releasing their rights (known as a model release) in whatever form of media provided in the model release document. Of which would be backed up by a creative commons license. On top of that, every one has moral & free rights of which even if I did have pictures and/or videos of them without consent - it's only used for educational, informational, and/or commentary purposes, because it’s still everyone’s free right to comment on something or make it informational. Why you think you find so many funny pictures online of celebrities or some important person meant as some form of joke or prank. Because they’re using it as commentary (as a joke). That celebrity can’t take them to court because it’s not used for commercial gain.

The content that is generated is only used for informational, educational, and commentary purposes. No one is getting any commercial gain. That I can assure you.

On a side note, currently YouTube only allows up to 15 minutes of recording time. I do record more than that much time. But I have to cut and remove all the “dead time” in the videos. So I do apologize to those that perhaps have been mistaken. I can see where I went wrong and didn’t include me asking them for permission for filling out a model release. Although, I did and it’s intended that I did and have, since I do have licenses to back it up.

Misunderstandings start the weirdest of debates...

Also, you can't argue that this is free advertisement for Cactus, and then say no one is getting commercial gain.

Well, how can we calulate that? Besides, if Cactus prospers it'll benefit those that enjoy the game because it'll provide us with better product & service! 

Oh yeah, I'm not just trying to promote our playgroup. Just ask the people from Orlando, FL. Ask YourMathTeacher he knows.

Hopefully if enough people see the good it's causing more would participate. I would promote other playgroups but I live in FL. It would be extremely hard to do more out of my own pocket. Besides, that should be the responibility of other tournament hosts, I'm doing everything that I can. I'm not against it but you should understand. That's something that should be up to dept. marketing & advertising for Cactus.

I will lock this if people don't get back on-topic. Yes I do know that it's been off-topic for 2 pages or so.

Quote from: disciple_drew on February 08, 2011, 06:02:50 PM

I saw another assumption that deck lists and some other things or the sort are revealed before the tournament ends or something like that. Again, I don't understand how people are getting these assumptions. If they've been to even one tournament (in South FL) then they'd finally understand how things pan out. Even if someone did come up to me with some PDA device they will not have permission to touch any of the media I collect. If they try to, it's because they want to cheat and will be disqualified from the tournament and taken out by security.

Here is where I think one of the misunderstandings are coming from.  Pol and others are not concerned about that current local tournament.  They are concerned about their deck and idea leaking before the next tournament....especially the larger ones where people do more traveling to attend.  You seem to think he is only worrying about that particular local tournament.  It's future tournaments that he likely has in mind about the deck getting leaked too.  Also, to add to the misunderstanding, I think you were one of the ones talking about doing research and creating (and choosing) side decks to go up against certain people at tournaments.

The combination of the above facts has probably created a lot of suspicion and apprehension.  I don't think Pol is critizing your idea...he just doesn't want to be a part of it.  I know you're in south Florida, but look at like this:
     You and Pol may meet at Ga States.  Some from Florida went to last year's tournament and some from TN (including Pol) traveled down to it.  It is entirely feasible that you guys may meet.  Pol's States deck is likely the one he would play at Regionals and Nationals which would lead to him not wanting it be filmed.

That's how I see the discussion...a lot of misunderstanding, but each side is feeling attacked.  

Friend, I would ask if I did and lets not go into any assumptions. The only reason I have deck techs online is because I've gotten permission.