Author Topic: Cactus needs to have a tournament coverage system like other ccgs. (Read 8732 times)

disciple_drew · « **Reply #25 on:** February 07, 2011, 10:43:31 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on February 07, 2011, 09:44:49 AM

If I see someone wearing those at any game I'm at I'll ask them to take them off, and if they won't I'll have a judge make them.

Friend, the whole purpose of the glasses is to bless everyone else in the Body of Believers with some content on the web. To promote the game, to edify the Body of Christ- that's scripture to edify.

Not to mention, the glasses have no playback function what so ever. The content is saved to a micro smd card which is later uploaded onto the net days after the tournament. If you only understood the time it takes to take hundreds of pictures, and hours of play, and pages of documents to put together a webzine... then you'd know.

If you're against that, then I guess you don't want the body of believers to be edified or free advertising for Rob Anderson. The dozens of videos we've put up do in fact work, function, and act like advertising. Don't you think there are hundreds if not thousands of potential prospects & customers (nation wide if not world-wide) that are curious about the game and want to learn more? I have received dozens of personal messages via YouTube because of those videos. Do you know what majority of it is about? The game! Of which, the feed back is GOOD. Very good! People want to know where to get the cards, how to play, and where to learn more. I'm sorry but the fruit of it already shows and it's good fruit intended to do good things.

In fact, locally there are two hobby shops that have tournaments in their stores and sell product. They're happy because those videos displays their stores and the nature of their business. They've also asked us to put some of our articles on their websites and newletters because of how cool they think they are. Plus, because they're unbelievers, praise the Lord that actual Christian topics & articles make it to their eyes - which in the end is seed. Seed for them to hear the Truth (about the Gospel), and perhaps a chance for them to check out the game. If they do, guess what now they have Christians waiting for them to talk to them about the Kingdom and hopefully a chance for Salvation or more.

So please don't tell me you're against that.

As Christians we're supposed to have the right attitude to do the right things, for and with the right people - for the right reasons.

The M · « **Reply #26 on:** February 07, 2011, 10:48:09 AM »

Who doesn't want to look stylish?

disciple_drew · « **Reply #27 on:** February 07, 2011, 10:50:29 AM »

Quote from: The M on February 07, 2011, 10:48:09 AM

Who doesn't want to look stylish?

lol, the intentions aren't to look just stylish. It's to edify the body of christ.

Gabe · « **Reply #28 on:** February 07, 2011, 10:57:07 AM »

I understand what you're doing and why you're doing it, disciple_drew. It's awesome that the Redemption community is blessed to have someone with your ingenuity and enthusiasm!

I'm all for sharing deck information and strategies, but the timing of making that information public is important. Many players prefer to keep their ideas secret until after the State, Regional, National portion of the tournament season has passed. It's important to respect their wishes. If you don't then you're not truly edifying, are you?

In this body we're all gifted differently. Some, like disciples_drew edify the community through publications, documentation and spreading the word. Others, like Minister Polarius edify the community by offering suggestions to new players, cool card ideas and helping with rules questions. Neither of them is wrong because they don't choose to edify the community the same way as another person.

disciple_drew · « **Reply #29 on:** February 07, 2011, 11:59:36 AM »

Quote from: Gabe on February 07, 2011, 10:57:07 AM

I understand what you're doing and why you're doing it, disciple_drew. It's awesome that the Redemption community is blessed to have someone with your ingenuity and enthusiasm!

I'm all for sharing deck information and strategies, but the timing of making that information public is important. Many players prefer to keep their ideas secret until after the State, Regional, National portion of the tournament season has passed. It's important to respect their wishes. If you don't then you're not truly edifying, are you?

In this body we're all gifted differently. Some, like disciples_drew edify the community through publications, documentation and spreading the word. Others, like Minister Polarius edify the community by offering suggestions to new players, cool card ideas and helping with rules questions. Neither of them is wrong because they don't choose to edify the community the same way as another person.

To answer your question, the stuff is made public until after the tournament. It's impossible for me to make it live. That would require to upload and stream the content as the tournament is going on. It's not streaming live equipment, it's equipment that records then stores.

I always ask people if they're ok with being recorded and they always tend to say yes. They see and understand that what we're doing is bigger than just them, it's for the community.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #30 on:** February 07, 2011, 09:12:39 PM »

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They see and understand that what we're doing is bigger than just them, it's for the community.

Well, I'm not a socialist

I'll get to the wall of text after I watch this movie.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #31 on:** February 08, 2011, 12:41:56 AM »

ill join in a bit when read.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #32 on:** February 08, 2011, 12:54:59 AM »

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Friend, the whole purpose of the glasses is to bless everyone else in the Body of Believers with some content on the web.

Actually, the purpose of the glasses is to record games.

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Not to mention, the glasses have no playback function what so ever. The content is saved to a micro smd card which is later uploaded onto the net days after the tournament.

Two problems. First, anyone with a PDA can then review the footage immediately after the game, in between rounds. Second, days after a tournament isn't long enough. After Nationals may be long enough.

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The dozens of videos we've put up do in fact work, function, and act like advertising. Don't you think there are hundreds if not thousands of potential prospects & customers (nation wide if not world-wide) that are curious about the game and want to learn more? I have received dozens of personal messages via YouTube because of those videos. Do you know what majority of it is about? The game! Of which, the feed back is GOOD. Very good! People want to know where to get the cards, how to play, and where to learn more. I'm sorry but the fruit of it already shows and it's good fruit intended to do good things.

Perfect! So record some more non-tournament games and continue promoting!

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In fact, locally there are two hobby shops that have tournaments in their stores and sell product. They're happy because those videos displays their stores and the nature of their business. They've also asked us to put some of our articles on their websites and newletters because of how cool they think they are. Plus, because they're unbelievers, praise the Lord that actual Christian topics & articles make it to their eyes - which in the end is seed. Seed for them to hear the Truth (about the Gospel), and perhaps a chance for them to check out the game. If they do, guess what now they have Christians waiting for them to talk to them about the Kingdom and hopefully a chance for Salvation or more.

Perfect! So record some more non-tournament games and continue seeding!

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As Christians we're supposed to have the right attitude to do the right things, for and with the right people - for the right reasons.

And as Christians we are all equal as brothers, which means we don't get to boss each other around as to what is and is not the right thing or the right reason (unless Scripture directly and specifically backs us up).

I'm not against recording games, I'm against having my tournament games recorded.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #33 on:** February 08, 2011, 01:19:24 AM »

oh Cmon Polarius, Im going to have already scouted your deck before you know so it doesnt matter right? besides it would be a great tool to help in game reports that we dont have nearly enough of btw. i promise i wont show the tape to anyone besides my roomies until game report posted. Deal?

disciple_drew · « **Reply #34 on:** February 08, 2011, 06:28:26 AM »

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Two problems. First, anyone with a PDA can then review the footage immediately after the game, in between rounds. Second, days after a tournament isn't long enough. After Nationals may be long enough.

That is relevant to you and an opinion. No one else in the entire playgroup owns a PDA and besides that what makes you think I'd let them? Just because you think a day or two isn't long enough doesn't make it so. I'm their tournament host.

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And as Christians we are all equal as brothers, which means we don't get to boss each other around as to what is and is not the right thing or the right reason (unless Scripture directly and specifically backs us up).

Biblically we're supposed to submit to our leaders & spiritual leaders. Of which you're not one of them (not one of mine) maybe at your church or something, I don't know. Keep rank. We don't out rank each other and I'm not bossing you around. The videos & footage aren't a form to boss you around. You telling me what to do with them is.

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I'm not against recording games, I'm against having my tournament games recorded.

Yeah, exactly... these are not your games or tournaments or glasses so don't tell me what to do with them. If it's blessing people, get over it.

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #35 on:** February 08, 2011, 06:45:17 AM »

Drew, I don't think Polarius is specifically telling you what to do with your playgroup, but rather stating his opinion on what should be done when you visit playgroups and tournaments elsewhere, of which I agree. If you were to come to a tournament of mine in MD, I would respectfully request that you remove the glasses because my players would appreciate the privacy, despite its intentions. I do think it is great what you are trying to do with promotion but at the same time I agree with Gabe and Polarius that should you try to use the glasses at games in higher tournaments with people outside your playgroup and only know about this based on what you are saying, it will not be appreciated. Please do not go on the defensive with this because you don't need to. There is a happy medium where everyone can feel comfortable about this outlay of information. That said, I look forward to seeing how technology expands the influence of Redemption as well as FUN and FELLOWSHIP...carry on

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disciple_drew · « **Reply #36 on:** February 08, 2011, 07:00:21 AM »

Quote from: TechnoEthicist on February 08, 2011, 06:45:17 AM

Drew, I don't think Polarius is specifically telling you what to do with your playgroup, but rather stating his opinion on what should be done when you visit playgroups and tournaments elsewhere, of which I agree. If you were to come to a tournament of mine in MD, I would respectfully request that you remove the glasses because my players would appreciate the privacy, despite its intentions. I do think it is great what you are trying to do with promotion but at the same time I agree with Gabe and Polarius that should you try to use the glasses at games in higher tournaments with people outside your playgroup and only know about this based on what you are saying, it will not be appreciated. Please do not go on the defensive with this because you don't need to. There is a happy medium where everyone can feel comfortable about this outlay of information. That said, I look forward to seeing how technology expands the influence of Redemption as well as FUN and FELLOWSHIP...carry on .

When he gives instructions on what to do and how to do it, he is. And it's not just on this thread- many others.

I have been to other tournaments outside just our local one. I've been to Orlando, FL. If I were to go to an out of state one, it's obvious I'd ASK. I'm aware of copyright laws, moral rights, and free rights as well as model releases. Of which I have proper documentation to obtain model releases from players if needed. Once I get a verbal agreement amongst all players with others and them selves as witnesses it then becomes a verbal contract of which I back up with a Creative Commons license. So I'd appreciate if some people lay off because I'm doing everything I could to make it appropriate, even legally. Even at my own personal loss because ALL of this, is out of my own pocket. Until they're THAT committed them maybe I'd like to hear what they have to say. Not what they want to argue.

The Schaef · « **Reply #37 on:** February 08, 2011, 07:56:16 AM »

He is asking you to respect his privacy. Your open refusal to issue that respect speaks to Gabe's statement that maybe this isn't necessarily as edifying as you are making it out to be. I'm having a hard time understanding why you made it a point to say you get people's permission before recording games, and then when someone says he would not give you permission to record his games, you criticize him for it.

Additionally, I think you are missing the point by saying the information is only made available after that specific tournament. For starters, Polarius makes the point that someone can still access that information before its public release; the fact that you choose not to at this particular point in time does not change that technological reality. Secondly, the concern with publicizing deck information is less about giving away an advantage in the middle of a local tournament and more about publishing information from a local tournament that people do not wish to share with others until they have a chance to employ their strategies in high-level tournaments. This can subvert their efforts weeks or even months in advance.

Whether or not you agree that deck information should be open to all people at all times, it is their wish not to have it exposed, and that should be a consideration in implementing this idea. That kind of consideration should be based on mutual respect among fellow human beings and believers, not based on who spends the most of their own money or who claims to care the most about a card game.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #38 on:** February 08, 2011, 08:45:16 AM »

Guys, this is really pretty simple. Just ask your opponent before you record any game, and don't give them a hard time either way. If you are playing Pol, then take off the glasses, and don't try to make him feel bad. If you are playing me, then feel free to record as I don't have any super secret decks anyway

TheMarti · « **Reply #39 on:** February 08, 2011, 09:46:59 AM »

I'm going to point something else out here: most states require parental permission for minors to be recorded for promotional purposes. And word-of-mouth is sometimes not enough. A lot of parents wouldn't want their kids posted on a website- there are a lot of safety issues in there.

And Drew, yes, technology is great. It's great that you spent money on this. But you are coming off as someone who is high and mighty and holy. That may not be your intention, but you are definitely coming off that way.

~Marti

soul seeker · « **Reply #40 on:** February 08, 2011, 09:59:00 AM »

Quote from: disciple_drew on February 07, 2011, 10:43:31 AM

If you're against that, then I guess you don't want the body of believers to be edified or free advertising for Rob Anderson.

If they do, guess what now they have Christians waiting for them to talk to them about the Kingdom and hopefully a chance for Salvation or more.

So please don't tell me you're against that.
As Christians we're supposed to have the right attitude to do the right things, for and with the right people - for the right reasons.

(emphasis mine)
Drew, I think Pol could easily read you attacking him spiritually, and thus feel shamed into doing something he doesn't want too. That is likely why he said don't boss him around. Your words come across that anyone who doesn't want to be filmed isn't a good Christian and they don't love Redemption. Daniel perceives that as spiritual bossiness. I understand that you may have issues with him in other threads, but in this thread, I don't think he is wrong to request you not to film him. Many players feel that way.
* Also, Marti makes a good point about filming minors...I wouldn't want my son filmed and put on the internet.

I encourage you to keep doing what you are doing; both by asking permission (while remembering not to spiritually shame anyone even accidentally) and promoting the game through those who are able to say yes.

Red · « **Reply #41 on:** February 08, 2011, 10:29:02 AM »

At marti:parents let their kids have facebook so what's wrong with getting recorded, I see no diffrence.

The Schaef · « **Reply #42 on:** February 08, 2011, 10:33:01 AM »

State law about promotional recording does not care whether parents allow their children to use an Internet service that has nothing to do with making the recording.

The M · « **Reply #43 on:** February 08, 2011, 10:34:01 AM »

At Red : Parents who don't let their kids have their pictures taken online probably don't let them have a Facebook. I do see a difference.

Red · « **Reply #44 on:** February 08, 2011, 10:38:23 AM »

What is the problem with it anyway? All the dangers of haveing a picture online is magnified in the real world. You can't be killed online.

The Schaef · « **Reply #45 on:** February 08, 2011, 10:47:46 AM »

You're welcome to go to all the state legislatures that have these laws and take the fight to them on a case-by-case basis. I don't really see anything to be gained by arguing about it here with people who did nothing more than inform people of the law.

Red · « **Reply #46 on:** February 08, 2011, 10:50:29 AM »

Well if people don't like opinions then they shouldn't post things even if it is the law. If I have an opinion I'll state it. (opinion) Besides if they don't regulate the internet no laws should restrict it.

The Schaef · « **Reply #47 on:** February 08, 2011, 11:19:54 AM »

I'm trying to understand your post, but I can't. The law is not an opinion. It's just a fact.

Red · « **Reply #48 on:** February 08, 2011, 11:40:02 AM »

What I'm saying is:If people don't want to hear someone's a opiion they shouldn't say things even if they are facts.

TheMarti · « **Reply #49 on:** February 08, 2011, 11:40:29 AM »

I was only stating that some states have restrictions. Didn't say "on the internet," I said "promotional purposes," no matter what it is.

Child predators are all over the place and use all kinds of resources to get kids. Not being paranoid, just saying why the law is in place.

Where's the opinion in that?

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Author Topic: Cactus needs to have a tournament coverage system like other ccgs. (Read 8732 times)

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