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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Playgroup and Tournament Central => Redemption® Official Tournaments => Topic started by: Red on November 28, 2010, 05:13:44 PM
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it would include feature matches decklist postings and the like.
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Brilliant idea. Get LordZarDeck on it.
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That includes a larger player base, and people willing, committed, and with the resources to do this. We kind of lack that, but I would love to see a better National coverage. I think this year with Matt Sinclair was a great start, but we can do a lot better. I think a lot of people would have loved to have seen BrianGabe vs myself in our type 1 game, it was arguably one of the best 2 player games I have ever played and went down to the last seconds. I think many players, including myself, would love to watch top ranked matches at a National level. As popular as in-depth tournament reports are, I think recorded National matches would be a huge success.
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biggest problem is i was denied ability to film actual games by bany and rob
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I'd be perfectly willing to set something up like that.
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biggest problem is i was denied ability to film actual games by bany and rob
this decision should be reevaluated.
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I agree with Clift. Ask the players if it is ok I would say.
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However, the footage shouldn't be released until after the tournament.
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yeah wasn't going to release it till after anyway
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Yeah we know, you still haven't released anything.
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only cause ive been busy with school im releasing rough footage over christmas break im sorry but i got nailed this semester hard
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I hear ya Matt, finals all week plus full time work.
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check out our webzine
http://southfloridaredemption.webs.com/ (http://southfloridaredemption.webs.com/)
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Our playgroup has been trying very hard into creating tons of content for the entire Nation. We've done tournament coverage throughout our webzines, in multiple cities in Florida not just the city we live in. So that means we're dedicated to travel to prove you guys with up to date stuff. Also we've put together an iTunes podcast also containing videos, audio interviews, and so on.
For those of you that don't know what to get into getting video coverage, we have a pretty cool head cam in the form of sunglasses. So it's very portable, comfortable, and practical. The only thing is it's around $100 to get. But we consider it well spent seed not just for us but for players around the entire world.
Here is the item: http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Air_Venturi_Video_Recorder_Sunglasses_3_Mpx_Pinhole_Camera_4GB_Memory/3096 (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Air_Venturi_Video_Recorder_Sunglasses_3_Mpx_Pinhole_Camera_4GB_Memory/3096)
Pictures: http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/zoomed_model.pl?model_id=3096&type=A (http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/zoomed_model.pl?model_id=3096&type=A)
More information can be found at www.southfloridaredemption.webs.com (http://www.southfloridaredemption.webs.com)
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just wanted to post a pic. NICE!
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.pyramydair.com%2Fimages%2Facc%2FAir-Venturi-Video-Recorder-Sunglasses_AV-LY-26V_lg.jpg&hash=ec0bbbeff02d035fa4b15295424413526757b348)
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Make sure to check with your local laws about recording events.
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Make sure to check with your local laws about recording events.
Concerning copyrights and ownership of the pictures, it's technically owned by the store that we host the tournaments at. But they've agreed to let us own them since they're not interested in the pictures. Regarding model releases, we haven't done any. However because the pictures aren't used for commercial purposes, it doesn't violate anyone's free & moral rights. The pictures are used and meant as information and commentary only. No one is gaining any profit from them. In fact, the pictures and all content of South Florida Redemption's Webzine: "The Redeemer", are under a CC-BY-NC-ND license. So everyone is free to use the articles, coverage, pictures, and so on as long as they attribute the work to - South Florida Redemption and for non-commercial use.
Besides that, if they're a Believer and Obey His Word- they should also understand this is all done to edify the Body of Christ. We're all brothers in the Lord here and this is done for His purpose as He Wills it to be and the intentions are to edify the Body. Get the idea? We're not gaining any profit from this, we're doing this because we love our brothers and we also want to do the best that we can for the rest of our brothers & sisters online that are out of the state of FL.
Also, if they want to make a legal issue out of it- that to is also forbidden in scripture. Just go read the book of Acts. Remember that card "Christian sueing another"? Well, that scripture reference touches on it.
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No matter if you make a profit out of it or not, some states have laws regarding recording of other people without their consent. If it was a normal video camera, they're clearly giving consent, because you're clearly recording them. Since you've got "spy glasses", that may be something else. I know my brother tries to keep his internet presence down (he doesn't even use his real name on Facebook) and that includes videos of him.
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No matter if you make a profit out of it or not, some states have laws regarding recording of other people without their consent. If it was a normal video camera, they're clearly giving consent, because you're clearly recording them. Since you've got "spy glasses", that may be something else. I know my brother tries to keep his internet presence down (he doesn't even use his real name on Facebook) and that includes videos of him.
I should have also mentioned that I ask them before I record. I wouldn't record them without their acknowledgement. Those glasses make things easier because they rest on a person's face and it's cool since you could record in 1st person view.
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Well, that works fine. They also make one look snazzy.
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Well, that works fine. They also make one look snazzy.
Ha ha, yeah I've gotten comments as if I was trying to be some all-star poker player. My response is I have a video camera in the frame of the glasses and I'm recording the game. The latest issue of the webzine has some pictures of my brother & I with them on because obviously we were recording some tournament coverage. In the same issue of the latest webzine, attached are to videos specifically round 1 & 2 against Jonathan Majus.
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If I see someone wearing those at any game I'm at I'll ask them to take them off, and if they won't I'll have a judge make them.
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Tournament rules don't forbid sunglasses. They have the freedom to wear them.
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Not if there are cameras in them.
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So? Camera shy? I'd wanna be taped
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If I see someone wearing those at any game I'm at I'll ask them to take them off, and if they won't I'll have a judge make them.
Friend, the whole purpose of the glasses is to bless everyone else in the Body of Believers with some content on the web. To promote the game, to edify the Body of Christ- that's scripture to edify.
Not to mention, the glasses have no playback function what so ever. The content is saved to a micro smd card which is later uploaded onto the net days after the tournament. If you only understood the time it takes to take hundreds of pictures, and hours of play, and pages of documents to put together a webzine... then you'd know.
If you're against that, then I guess you don't want the body of believers to be edified or free advertising for Rob Anderson. The dozens of videos we've put up do in fact work, function, and act like advertising. Don't you think there are hundreds if not thousands of potential prospects & customers (nation wide if not world-wide) that are curious about the game and want to learn more? I have received dozens of personal messages via YouTube because of those videos. Do you know what majority of it is about? The game! Of which, the feed back is GOOD. Very good! People want to know where to get the cards, how to play, and where to learn more. I'm sorry but the fruit of it already shows and it's good fruit intended to do good things.
In fact, locally there are two hobby shops that have tournaments in their stores and sell product. They're happy because those videos displays their stores and the nature of their business. They've also asked us to put some of our articles on their websites and newletters because of how cool they think they are. Plus, because they're unbelievers, praise the Lord that actual Christian topics & articles make it to their eyes - which in the end is seed. Seed for them to hear the Truth (about the Gospel), and perhaps a chance for them to check out the game. If they do, guess what now they have Christians waiting for them to talk to them about the Kingdom and hopefully a chance for Salvation or more.
So please don't tell me you're against that.
As Christians we're supposed to have the right attitude to do the right things, for and with the right people - for the right reasons.
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8) Who doesn't want to look stylish? 8)
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8) Who doesn't want to look stylish? 8)
lol, the intentions aren't to look just stylish. It's to edify the body of christ.
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I understand what you're doing and why you're doing it, disciple_drew. It's awesome that the Redemption community is blessed to have someone with your ingenuity and enthusiasm!
I'm all for sharing deck information and strategies, but the timing of making that information public is important. Many players prefer to keep their ideas secret until after the State, Regional, National portion of the tournament season has passed. It's important to respect their wishes. If you don't then you're not truly edifying, are you?
In this body we're all gifted differently. Some, like disciples_drew edify the community through publications, documentation and spreading the word. Others, like Minister Polarius edify the community by offering suggestions to new players, cool card ideas and helping with rules questions. Neither of them is wrong because they don't choose to edify the community the same way as another person. :)
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I understand what you're doing and why you're doing it, disciple_drew. It's awesome that the Redemption community is blessed to have someone with your ingenuity and enthusiasm!
I'm all for sharing deck information and strategies, but the timing of making that information public is important. Many players prefer to keep their ideas secret until after the State, Regional, National portion of the tournament season has passed. It's important to respect their wishes. If you don't then you're not truly edifying, are you?
In this body we're all gifted differently. Some, like disciples_drew edify the community through publications, documentation and spreading the word. Others, like Minister Polarius edify the community by offering suggestions to new players, cool card ideas and helping with rules questions. Neither of them is wrong because they don't choose to edify the community the same way as another person. :)
To answer your question, the stuff is made public until after the tournament. It's impossible for me to make it live. That would require to upload and stream the content as the tournament is going on. It's not streaming live equipment, it's equipment that records then stores.
I always ask people if they're ok with being recorded and they always tend to say yes. They see and understand that what we're doing is bigger than just them, it's for the community.
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They see and understand that what we're doing is bigger than just them, it's for the community.
Well, I'm not a socialist ;)
I'll get to the wall of text after I watch this movie.
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ill join in a bit when read.
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Friend, the whole purpose of the glasses is to bless everyone else in the Body of Believers with some content on the web.
Actually, the purpose of the glasses is to record games.
Not to mention, the glasses have no playback function what so ever. The content is saved to a micro smd card which is later uploaded onto the net days after the tournament.
Two problems. First, anyone with a PDA can then review the footage immediately after the game, in between rounds. Second, days after a tournament isn't long enough. After Nationals may be long enough.
The dozens of videos we've put up do in fact work, function, and act like advertising. Don't you think there are hundreds if not thousands of potential prospects & customers (nation wide if not world-wide) that are curious about the game and want to learn more? I have received dozens of personal messages via YouTube because of those videos. Do you know what majority of it is about? The game! Of which, the feed back is GOOD. Very good! People want to know where to get the cards, how to play, and where to learn more. I'm sorry but the fruit of it already shows and it's good fruit intended to do good things.
Perfect! So record some more non-tournament games and continue promoting!
In fact, locally there are two hobby shops that have tournaments in their stores and sell product. They're happy because those videos displays their stores and the nature of their business. They've also asked us to put some of our articles on their websites and newletters because of how cool they think they are. Plus, because they're unbelievers, praise the Lord that actual Christian topics & articles make it to their eyes - which in the end is seed. Seed for them to hear the Truth (about the Gospel), and perhaps a chance for them to check out the game. If they do, guess what now they have Christians waiting for them to talk to them about the Kingdom and hopefully a chance for Salvation or more.
Perfect! So record some more non-tournament games and continue seeding!
As Christians we're supposed to have the right attitude to do the right things, for and with the right people - for the right reasons.
And as Christians we are all equal as brothers, which means we don't get to boss each other around as to what is and is not the right thing or the right reason (unless Scripture directly and specifically backs us up).
I'm not against recording games, I'm against having my tournament games recorded.
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oh Cmon Polarius, Im going to have already scouted your deck before you know so it doesnt matter right? besides it would be a great tool to help in game reports that we dont have nearly enough of btw. i promise i wont show the tape to anyone besides my roomies until game report posted. Deal?
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Two problems. First, anyone with a PDA can then review the footage immediately after the game, in between rounds. Second, days after a tournament isn't long enough. After Nationals may be long enough.
That is relevant to you and an opinion. No one else in the entire playgroup owns a PDA and besides that what makes you think I'd let them? Just because you think a day or two isn't long enough doesn't make it so. I'm their tournament host.
And as Christians we are all equal as brothers, which means we don't get to boss each other around as to what is and is not the right thing or the right reason (unless Scripture directly and specifically backs us up).
Biblically we're supposed to submit to our leaders & spiritual leaders. Of which you're not one of them (not one of mine) maybe at your church or something, I don't know. Keep rank. We don't out rank each other and I'm not bossing you around. The videos & footage aren't a form to boss you around. You telling me what to do with them is.
I'm not against recording games, I'm against having my tournament games recorded.
Yeah, exactly... these are not your games or tournaments or glasses so don't tell me what to do with them. If it's blessing people, get over it.
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Drew, I don't think Polarius is specifically telling you what to do with your playgroup, but rather stating his opinion on what should be done when you visit playgroups and tournaments elsewhere, of which I agree. If you were to come to a tournament of mine in MD, I would respectfully request that you remove the glasses because my players would appreciate the privacy, despite its intentions. I do think it is great what you are trying to do with promotion but at the same time I agree with Gabe and Polarius that should you try to use the glasses at games in higher tournaments with people outside your playgroup and only know about this based on what you are saying, it will not be appreciated. Please do not go on the defensive with this because you don't need to. There is a happy medium where everyone can feel comfortable about this outlay of information. That said, I look forward to seeing how technology expands the influence of Redemption as well as FUN and FELLOWSHIP...carry on :P.
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Drew, I don't think Polarius is specifically telling you what to do with your playgroup, but rather stating his opinion on what should be done when you visit playgroups and tournaments elsewhere, of which I agree. If you were to come to a tournament of mine in MD, I would respectfully request that you remove the glasses because my players would appreciate the privacy, despite its intentions. I do think it is great what you are trying to do with promotion but at the same time I agree with Gabe and Polarius that should you try to use the glasses at games in higher tournaments with people outside your playgroup and only know about this based on what you are saying, it will not be appreciated. Please do not go on the defensive with this because you don't need to. There is a happy medium where everyone can feel comfortable about this outlay of information. That said, I look forward to seeing how technology expands the influence of Redemption as well as FUN and FELLOWSHIP...carry on :P.
When he gives instructions on what to do and how to do it, he is. And it's not just on this thread- many others.
I have been to other tournaments outside just our local one. I've been to Orlando, FL. If I were to go to an out of state one, it's obvious I'd ASK. I'm aware of copyright laws, moral rights, and free rights as well as model releases. Of which I have proper documentation to obtain model releases from players if needed. Once I get a verbal agreement amongst all players with others and them selves as witnesses it then becomes a verbal contract of which I back up with a Creative Commons license. So I'd appreciate if some people lay off because I'm doing everything I could to make it appropriate, even legally. Even at my own personal loss because ALL of this, is out of my own pocket. Until they're THAT committed them maybe I'd like to hear what they have to say. Not what they want to argue.
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He is asking you to respect his privacy. Your open refusal to issue that respect speaks to Gabe's statement that maybe this isn't necessarily as edifying as you are making it out to be. I'm having a hard time understanding why you made it a point to say you get people's permission before recording games, and then when someone says he would not give you permission to record his games, you criticize him for it.
Additionally, I think you are missing the point by saying the information is only made available after that specific tournament. For starters, Polarius makes the point that someone can still access that information before its public release; the fact that you choose not to at this particular point in time does not change that technological reality. Secondly, the concern with publicizing deck information is less about giving away an advantage in the middle of a local tournament and more about publishing information from a local tournament that people do not wish to share with others until they have a chance to employ their strategies in high-level tournaments. This can subvert their efforts weeks or even months in advance.
Whether or not you agree that deck information should be open to all people at all times, it is their wish not to have it exposed, and that should be a consideration in implementing this idea. That kind of consideration should be based on mutual respect among fellow human beings and believers, not based on who spends the most of their own money or who claims to care the most about a card game.
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Guys, this is really pretty simple. Just ask your opponent before you record any game, and don't give them a hard time either way. If you are playing Pol, then take off the glasses, and don't try to make him feel bad. If you are playing me, then feel free to record as I don't have any super secret decks anyway :)
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I'm going to point something else out here: most states require parental permission for minors to be recorded for promotional purposes. And word-of-mouth is sometimes not enough. A lot of parents wouldn't want their kids posted on a website- there are a lot of safety issues in there.
And Drew, yes, technology is great. It's great that you spent money on this. But you are coming off as someone who is high and mighty and holy. That may not be your intention, but you are definitely coming off that way.
~Marti
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If you're against that, then I guess you don't want the body of believers to be edified or free advertising for Rob Anderson.
If they do, guess what now they have Christians waiting for them to talk to them about the Kingdom and hopefully a chance for Salvation or more.
So please don't tell me you're against that.
As Christians we're supposed to have the right attitude to do the right things, for and with the right people - for the right reasons.
(emphasis mine)
Drew, I think Pol could easily read you attacking him spiritually, and thus feel shamed into doing something he doesn't want too. That is likely why he said don't boss him around. Your words come across that anyone who doesn't want to be filmed isn't a good Christian and they don't love Redemption. Daniel perceives that as spiritual bossiness. I understand that you may have issues with him in other threads, but in this thread, I don't think he is wrong to request you not to film him. Many players feel that way.
* Also, Marti makes a good point about filming minors...I wouldn't want my son filmed and put on the internet.
I encourage you to keep doing what you are doing; both by asking permission (while remembering not to spiritually shame anyone even accidentally) and promoting the game through those who are able to say yes.
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At marti:parents let their kids have facebook so what's wrong with getting recorded, I see no diffrence.
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State law about promotional recording does not care whether parents allow their children to use an Internet service that has nothing to do with making the recording.
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At Red : Parents who don't let their kids have their pictures taken online probably don't let them have a Facebook. I do see a difference.
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What is the problem with it anyway? All the dangers of haveing a picture online is magnified in the real world. You can't be killed online.
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You're welcome to go to all the state legislatures that have these laws and take the fight to them on a case-by-case basis. I don't really see anything to be gained by arguing about it here with people who did nothing more than inform people of the law.
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Well if people don't like opinions then they shouldn't post things even if it is the law. If I have an opinion I'll state it. (opinion) Besides if they don't regulate the internet no laws should restrict it.
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I'm trying to understand your post, but I can't. The law is not an opinion. It's just a fact.
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What I'm saying is:If people don't want to hear someone's a opiion they shouldn't say things even if they are facts.
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I was only stating that some states have restrictions. Didn't say "on the internet," I said "promotional purposes," no matter what it is.
Child predators are all over the place and use all kinds of resources to get kids. Not being paranoid, just saying why the law is in place.
Where's the opinion in that?
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Drew, you actually do have a requirement to submit to Pol. He does outrank you. Or, at least, he should. If you are called to lay down your life for a friend, I don't think it too drastic to say that you are called to lay down your rights to a friend. Christianity is about servanthood. And in servanthood, well, everyone outranks you.
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What I'm saying is:If people don't want to hear someone's a opiion they shouldn't say things even if they are facts.
Is there somebody here who told you they didn't want to hear your opinion?
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Drew, you actually do have a requirement to submit to Pol. He does outrank you. Or, at least, he should. If you are called to lay down your life for a friend, I don't think it too drastic to say that you are called to lay down your rights to a friend. Christianity is about servanthood. And in servanthood, well, everyone outranks you.
I completely and utterly disagree. This is probably the most incorrect thing I've seen on the forums. Why on Earth should Drew submit to Pol? If there's any laying down of rights, Pol should equally consider laying down his "right" to privacy for Drew. Drew is fufilling Jesus' mandate to go and make disciples in his own way.
Not that I completely agree with Drew's reaction. I think that both sides had a part with their reactions, but Drew is no more to blame than Pol.
Alex, if you'd like to practice what you preach, submit to my saying you should accept everything I say, and surrender your right to respond.
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It seems that is more of Drew's opinion rather than Alex's.
Anyway, I have no spiritual leader besides my parents and my God. Sorry, drew.
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It wasn't that we shouldn't submit to our leaders (the Bible's pretty clear on that), it was his allegation that everyone was our leader.
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This is probably the most incorrect thing I've seen on the forums.
Wow, you really haven't been around very long have you?
P.S. Just to clarify, this is an attempt at humor to lighten the mood :)
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Philippians 2:
Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others. In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!
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This is probably the most incorrect thing I've seen on the forums.
Wow, you really haven't been around very long have you?
Yeah, less than a year. It doesn't qualify as the worst thing I've seen, though.
Philippians 2:
Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others. In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!
Exactly, great quote by the way. We should value others above ourselves (to a point, but I digress). However, this doesn't mean we should submit to each other. If my friend tells me that I should give him my Grapes, I shouldn't submit and do so. I should value him by treating him with love and respect, while still saying no.
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If Polarius (or Alex, for that matter) demanded blind obedience from you or anyone else in this thread (which I distinguish from servanthood, but both require submission), I invite evidence that he did so.
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I invite evidence that indicates I said such a thing.
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Alex, if you'd like to practice what you preach, submit to my saying you should accept everything I say, and surrender your right to respond.
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That's not blind obedience.
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Explain what part of that is not.
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Well, I think I've made my point here. When an un-American argument is made, I'll come back. American values need not apply.
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lol oh man, I come back from work and I miss a lot! Just to clear some things up.
Everyone in the playgroup up until this past weekend are 18+. I'm talking about South Florida. I have not been to other states yet or out of state tournaments. I would like to and have the means to, but by the looks of how things pan online I'd imagine would not like to meet some of these people in person. I can say newer & younger people are coming on board in our local playgroup (South FL) so yes, I'd have to be a little bit more careful now. But to let you know I have the legal means both documentation & equipment to make this all possible, of which it would be great if some people were just grateful for once rather than making an argument.
Let's say I do go out of state and meet some of you, of course I'd ask adults and guardians of minors, as well as seek counsel with the local tournament host and other forms of authority. I don't know why some seem to perceive me as some raging rebel. We've experienced much good fruit.
I saw another assumption that deck lists and some other things or the sort are revealed before the tournament ends or something like that. Again, I don't understand how people are getting these assumptions. If they've been to even one tournament (in South FL) then they'd finally understand how things pan out. Even if someone did come up to me with some PDA device they will not have permission to touch any of the media I collect. If they try to, it's because they want to cheat and will be disqualified from the tournament and taken out by security.
How could I record Pol? He's not even in FL. I don't know why so many people are under the assumption that I go around recording people without their permission. Many of the current playgroup are adults which do give me permission. It's also obvious that I would ask a minor's parents for permission. If some of you haven't noticed, the videos have the license statement attached to them. As well as the webzine has the license statement & notice before you even read it. Just so all you people online can take a breath in ease and enjoy it!
Regarding state laws and such, I stated earlier that I have the means to obtain model releases from people. It wouldn't matter what state if they have specifically stated in a legal document releasing their rights (known as a model release) in whatever form of media provided in the model release document. Of which would be backed up by a creative commons license. On top of that, every one has moral & free rights of which even if I did have pictures and/or videos of them without consent - it's only used for educational, informational, and/or commentary purposes, because it’s still everyone’s free right to comment on something or make it informational. Why you think you find so many funny pictures online of celebrities or some important person meant as some form of joke or prank. Because they’re using it as commentary (as a joke). That celebrity can’t take them to court because it’s not used for commercial gain.
The content that is generated is only used for informational, educational, and commentary purposes. No one is getting any commercial gain. That I can assure you.
On a side note, currently YouTube only allows up to 15 minutes of recording time. I do record more than that much time. But I have to cut and remove all the “dead time” in the videos. So I do apologize to those that perhaps have been mistaken. I can see where I went wrong and didn’t include me asking them for permission for filling out a model release. Although, I did and it’s intended that I did and have, since I do have licenses to back it up.
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Pretty much everyone who has responded to you started by saying they appreciated your idea and your efforts.
If the idea is for these videos to spread beyond your playgroup, the arguments about the age and location of the tournaments you attend go away the first time you attend a higher-level tournament, and they don't exist at all for the other people you are encouraging to follow your lead. That's the point here: is that there are a lot of serious considerations and that the idea should be approached with care.
Also, you can't argue that this is free advertisement for Cactus, and then say no one is getting commercial gain.
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Misunderstandings start the weirdest of debates...
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And the reason non-Christians despise us...this debate is the perfect example. Personally I don't care eiher way because it really does not matter in the grand scope of eternity.
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Also, you can't argue that this is free advertisement for Cactus, and then say no one is getting commercial gain.
Well, how can we calulate that? Besides, if Cactus prospers it'll benefit those that enjoy the game because it'll provide us with better product & service! ;)
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Anything more than zero is not-zero, therefore it is still a contradiction. If you're arguing now that there is no value in it, then there's no reason to criticize Pol for (supposedly) not supporting it.
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Oh yeah, I'm not just trying to promote our playgroup. Just ask the people from Orlando, FL. Ask YourMathTeacher he knows.
Hopefully if enough people see the good it's causing more would participate. I would promote other playgroups but I live in FL. It would be extremely hard to do more out of my own pocket. Besides, that should be the responibility of other tournament hosts, I'm doing everything that I can. I'm not against it but you should understand. That's something that should be up to dept. marketing & advertising for Cactus.
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Anything more than zero is not-zero, therefore it is still a contradiction. If you're arguing now that there is no value in it, then there's no reason to criticize Pol for (supposedly) not supporting it.
you lost me
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I will lock this if people don't get back on-topic. Yes I do know that it's been off-topic for 2 pages or so.
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I saw another assumption that deck lists and some other things or the sort are revealed before the tournament ends or something like that. Again, I don't understand how people are getting these assumptions. If they've been to even one tournament (in South FL) then they'd finally understand how things pan out. Even if someone did come up to me with some PDA device they will not have permission to touch any of the media I collect. If they try to, it's because they want to cheat and will be disqualified from the tournament and taken out by security.
Here is where I think one of the misunderstandings are coming from. Pol and others are not concerned about that current local tournament. They are concerned about their deck and idea leaking before the next tournament....especially the larger ones where people do more traveling to attend. You seem to think he is only worrying about that particular local tournament. It's future tournaments that he likely has in mind about the deck getting leaked too. Also, to add to the misunderstanding, I think you were one of the ones talking about doing research and creating (and choosing) side decks to go up against certain people at tournaments.
The combination of the above facts has probably created a lot of suspicion and apprehension. I don't think Pol is critizing your idea...he just doesn't want to be a part of it. I know you're in south Florida, but look at like this:
You and Pol may meet at Ga States. Some from Florida went to last year's tournament and some from TN (including Pol) traveled down to it. It is entirely feasible that you guys may meet. Pol's States deck is likely the one he would play at Regionals and Nationals which would lead to him not wanting it be filmed.
That's how I see the discussion...a lot of misunderstanding, but each side is feeling attacked.
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I saw another assumption that deck lists and some other things or the sort are revealed before the tournament ends or something like that. Again, I don't understand how people are getting these assumptions. If they've been to even one tournament (in South FL) then they'd finally understand how things pan out. Even if someone did come up to me with some PDA device they will not have permission to touch any of the media I collect. If they try to, it's because they want to cheat and will be disqualified from the tournament and taken out by security.
Here is where I think one of the misunderstandings are coming from. Pol and others are not concerned about that current local tournament. They are concerned about their deck and idea leaking before the next tournament....especially the larger ones where people do more traveling to attend. You seem to think he is only worrying about that particular local tournament. It's future tournaments that he likely has in mind about the deck getting leaked too. Also, to add to the misunderstanding, I think you were one of the ones talking about doing research and creating (and choosing) side decks to go up against certain people at tournaments.
The combination of the above facts has probably created a lot of suspicion and apprehension. I don't think Pol is critizing your idea...he just doesn't want to be a part of it. I know you're in south Florida, but look at like this:
You and Pol may meet at Ga States. Some from Florida went to last year's tournament and some from TN (including Pol) traveled down to it. It is entirely feasible that you guys may meet. Pol's States deck is likely the one he would play at Regionals and Nationals which would lead to him not wanting it be filmed.
That's how I see the discussion...a lot of misunderstanding, but each side is feeling attacked.
Friend, I would ask if I did and lets not go into any assumptions. The only reason I have deck techs online is because I've gotten permission.
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Locked on request. all further discussion must be taken to PM.
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In b4