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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #150 on: June 13, 2019, 03:58:16 PM »
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I think it still needs to be based on points due to ties and time-out games where players can get partial points. If I have 4 full wins and 3 time out losses, that's still 15 points which has historically been enough to be in the running for top cut depending on differential.
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #151 on: June 13, 2019, 04:26:14 PM »
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I think it still needs to be based on points due to ties and time-out games where players can get partial points.
You can do points if you want (although X-2 or better just sounds more prestigious :P). I just wanted to agree with your contention that having a fixed criterion up front is a great idea.

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« Reply #152 on: June 14, 2019, 12:20:21 PM »
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A more serious suggestion here...

I think Justin has it right. Just state up front that any player with 2 losses or fewer in Swiss (X-2) will make the cut. That lets every player know exactly what they need and no tie-breaker would needed.

There is a (less than ;)) 0% chance that you will have more than 16 players will meet this criteria, so one additional play-in round for the lowest-ranked players may be necessary.

Basically, people already know that you cannot lose more than two to top. Why not just expand top cut to 16 regardless of attendance? Then someone could probably 3 lose or timeout win, depending on the numbers, and still top. There are going to be so many talented players this year playing the game at (arguable) it's competitive pinnacle. I do like Justin's proposition but ironically it favors cookie cutter decks that win in 10 minutes more than a top cut of 16 like Josiah suggested early (let's face we will have over 100 for type 1!).

These are all great ideas. I am glad this thread has not diverged into flame wars- besides a few passive aggressive -1's- but rather refining ideas!

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #153 on: June 14, 2019, 04:15:24 PM »
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A more serious suggestion here...

I think Justin has it right. Just state up front that any player with 2 losses or fewer in Swiss (X-2) will make the cut. That lets every player know exactly what they need and no tie-breaker would needed.

There is a (less than ;)) 0% chance that you will have more than 16 players will meet this criteria, so one additional play-in round for the lowest-ranked players may be necessary.

Basically, people already know that you cannot lose more than two to top. Why not just expand top cut to 16 regardless of attendance? Then someone could probably 3 lose or timeout win, depending on the numbers, and still top. There are going to be so many talented players this year playing the game at (arguable) it's competitive pinnacle. I do like Justin's proposition but ironically it favors cookie cutter decks that win in 10 minutes more than a top cut of 16 like Josiah suggested early (let's face we will have over 100 for type 1!).

These are all great ideas. I am glad this thread has not diverged into flame wars- besides a few passive aggressive -1's- but rather refining ideas!
16 players would have been exactly half the field in Texas. Since I've not yet chimed in, I'm personally more in favor of a scaling cut based on attendance. So if nationals garnered 60+ in T1-2P, I'm more in favor of a top sixteen or all x-2s make cut, but if the attendance is between 30-40, then the cut cannot exceed eight players, and arguably even that number causes problems if even one game goes to a weird time-out scenario.
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #154 on: June 14, 2019, 05:04:56 PM »
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I think Justin has it right. Just state up front that any player with 2 losses or fewer in Swiss (X-2) will make the cut. That lets every player know exactly what they need and no tie-breaker would needed.

Basically, people already know that you cannot lose more than two to top.
I think you are missing the point. In Justin's list for the past X years there have been a bunch of people with 2 losses (15 points after 7 rounds) that did not make the cut. This is a way to ensure that none of those players get knocked out of the top cut because of tie-breaker junk. Get to 15 you are in.


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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #155 on: June 14, 2019, 05:18:12 PM »
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Correct. I'm not sure about declaring a point total prior to the tournament starting though. For example, if something like this happens:

Player 1: 18
Player 2: 18
Player 3: 18
Player 4: 15
Players 5-10: 14

Then we don't want to just have a top 4 cut. Instead we would cut at 14 points (so 10 players), have the 7 v 10 and 8 v 9 "bye round" and then create the Top 8 bracket from there.
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« Reply #156 on: June 15, 2019, 09:21:31 AM »
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I think Justin has it right. Just state up front that any player with 2 losses or fewer in Swiss (X-2) will make the cut. That lets every player know exactly what they need and no tie-breaker would needed.

Basically, people already know that you cannot lose more than two to top.
I think you are missing the point. In Justin's list for the past X years there have been a bunch of people with 2 losses (15 points after 7 rounds) that did not make the cut. This is a way to ensure that none of those players get knocked out of the top cut because of tie-breaker junk. Get to 15 you are in.
I understand why doing Swiss (X-2) and top cut is useful but I am saying having a larger cut at smaller attendance than you should is basically the same. In Justin's list the cut was smaller and they would have topped under the proposed change. I worry that being too transparent upfront will effect how people play after they have lost, something like cheating for good and letting their friends win. Personally I really doing both together Justin said.


16 players would have been exactly half the field in Texas. Since I've not yet chimed in, I'm personally more in favor of a scaling cut based on attendance. So if nationals garnered 60+ in T1-2P, I'm more in favor of a top sixteen or all x-2s make cut, but if the attendance is between 30-40, then the cut cannot exceed eight players, and arguably even that number causes problems if even one game goes to a weird time-out scenario.
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Why not top 16 at 60+ AND X-2?
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #157 on: June 15, 2019, 11:27:19 AM »
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Alright everyone,

I finally posted a link to the "official hotel."  It is the same one we have used the last 2 times everyone came here for National.  You get a pretty good rate for all 3 days, and it is reserved under Chris Redemption.

The pre-registration should be up in the next day or two.  I'm having some people look at it and register to make sure I haven't missed anything before releasing it to the masses!

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #158 on: June 26, 2019, 12:31:44 PM »
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Can I get the official schedule of events please?  I am driving up Friday evening from Nashville and staying over night.

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #159 on: June 26, 2019, 12:56:22 PM »
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Can I get the official schedule of events please?  I am driving up Friday evening from Nashville and staying over night.

The schedule on the first post is official, and just changed it to say that.

Official Schedule:

Thursday:  T2 - 2 Player (Free!) / Booster Draft 2 Player ($20.00)
Friday:  T1 - 2 Player (Top Cut X players) (Free!) / T2 - Multi (Free!)
Saturday:  Teams (Free!) / T1 - Multi (Free!) / Sealed ($15.00)

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #160 on: June 26, 2019, 03:26:11 PM »
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Curses.  Was hoping booster would be Saturday. 

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #161 on: June 26, 2019, 03:53:16 PM »
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We should’ve voted on it.  :laugh: ;)
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« Reply #162 on: July 08, 2019, 12:18:19 AM »
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Can I get the official schedule of events please?  I am driving up Friday evening from Nashville and staying over night.

The schedule on the first post is official, and just changed it to say that.

Official Schedule:

Thursday:  T2 - 2 Player (Free!) / Booster Draft 2 Player ($20.00)
Friday:  T1 - 2 Player (Top Cut X players) (Free!) / T2 - Multi (Free!)
Saturday:  Teams (Free!) / T1 - Multi (Free!) / Sealed ($15.00)

Look forward to finally meeting you!

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #163 on: July 15, 2019, 05:48:53 PM »
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Short question: Will there be an online tournament in parallel this year too (would be great - no prices necessary from my point of view, just the opportunity to play a tournament!)?

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #164 on: July 17, 2019, 12:15:45 AM »
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HEY Gents

    I SEE almost nothing detailing the special after hours events at Nats. This year.  I was under the impression we were taking a break from regular events we currently offer after hours and instead using alternate forms of sealed and booster or an event that focuses on special grouping of cards like just old or just new. 

    Can we get a list of extra events, not just the regular tournament schedule, please?

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #165 on: July 17, 2019, 12:56:08 PM »
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HEY Gents

    I SEE almost nothing detailing the special after hours events at Nats. This year.  I was under the impression we were taking a break from regular events we currently offer after hours and instead using alternate forms of sealed and booster or an event that focuses on special grouping of cards like just old or just new. 

    Can we get a list of extra events, not just the regular tournament schedule, please?

Thanks John M.

The main reason why you don't see anything is that I've only been contacted by a couple of people stating they wanted to run side categories.  I don't really have to time really run side categories so I'm not planning on doing any, but anyone is welcome to offer them and post details.  Also due to life being really busy this last month and a half, I'm having a hard time keeping up with people who sent PMs and people actually posting these for the public.  So I know Roy has mentioned a Pokemon Go thing (I don't know anything about that game) and I know Travis has mentioned garbage sealed, but I don't know if the sale of TLG affects that.  If someone has contacted me outside of that and I forgot to list it, I'm extremely sorry and please do so now so we can get it into the books, but I've always assumed we were doing Iron Man as long as someone was willing to facilitate it!

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #166 on: July 17, 2019, 02:46:20 PM »
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I will not be running Garbage Sealed this year. I will have the Cube in tow so I am willing to offer a Cube draft one evening if there is interest.

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #167 on: July 17, 2019, 02:48:39 PM »
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I will not be running Garbage Sealed this year. I will have the Cube in tow so I am willing to offer a Cube draft one evening if there is interest.
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #168 on: July 17, 2019, 03:11:44 PM »
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Couple of things added to OP.  Registration and I'll actually be able to take CC payments this year with a little extra fee to cover costs.  Info on first post.

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« Reply #169 on: July 17, 2019, 03:28:49 PM »
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I will not be running Garbage Sealed this year. I will have the Cube in tow so I am willing to offer a Cube draft one evening if there is interest.

I do love me some Cube drafting!  Do you update the Cube with each new expansion that comes out?  Are all 16 brigades represented, or have you trimmed some of them for more consistent drafting?
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« Reply #170 on: July 17, 2019, 08:58:28 PM »
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Two things:
1. If I pay in card, can I do it now or do I need to wait until the event?
2. What time does booster draft start on Thursday? I need to know ASAP so I know what time I need to leave to go to the church that day.
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« Reply #171 on: July 18, 2019, 09:52:21 AM »
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I will not be running Garbage Sealed this year. I will have the Cube in tow so I am willing to offer a Cube draft one evening if there is interest.

I do love me some Cube drafting!  Do you update the Cube with each new expansion that comes out?  Are all 16 brigades represented, or have you trimmed some of them for more consistent drafting?

I have updated it including the PoC full release. I have excluded all "Star" cards as I am not interested in introducing that mechanic to the cube at this point. All brigades are represented. I have not made any significant changes to the cube outside of updating it with new cards. Hopefully, it will be an enjoyable experience again this year.

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #172 on: July 18, 2019, 12:15:38 PM »
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I have updated it including the PoC full release. I have excluded all "Star" cards as I am not interested in introducing that mechanic to the cube at this point. All brigades are represented. I have not made any significant changes to the cube outside of updating it with new cards. Hopefully, it will be an enjoyable experience again this year.

I also like the idea of excluding Star cards from a Cube.  I hope to get a Cube draft in sometime during Nats.
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #173 on: July 19, 2019, 06:26:45 PM »
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Will games be recorded and released for public later on - or will there even be live streaming?

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #174 on: July 20, 2019, 05:55:22 PM »
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My apologies guys, I was trying to split off the posts regarding an unofficial online tournament during Nationals, but it appears I completely removed them by mistake.

I will start a new thread in the Unofficial Tournaments section.
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