Author Topic: Post deletion vs. Quarantine (Read 17075 times)

YourMathTeacher · « **on:** April 07, 2012, 11:57:19 PM »

Why not delete the picture post and leave the discussion?

lp670sv · « **Reply #1 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:00:30 AM »

Yeah I did this in PMs. It's less rude that way.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #2 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:02:05 AM »

I find it rude to move my thread to Quarantine when I didn't post a picture of a goat in it.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:04:23 AM »

No response? Seriously?

So I can post a picture of a goat in any thread I don't like and it will get quarantined?

lp670sv · « **Reply #4 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:06:13 AM »

If it wasn't lumped in with the 8 or 9 other threads it wouldn't have been moved but right now there are just too many threads that are challenging the Prof to let anything go. If you want this to be exlusively between you and Prof U so that you can ensure it won't be "goat bombed" either use PMs or lock the thread and unlock it to respond to his unlock post lock.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #5 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:06:43 AM »

I just responded to that PM before seeing this thread. But my basic idea to decide between post removal and thread removal is weighing the pros (in that case a thread that was already off-topic before the goat picture), and the cons (in that case a blatant testing of a stated limit by posting a goat picture). I felt like the original topic had been answered, and everyone knew where people stand, so the cons outweighed the pros in that case.

I agree with both YMT and lp, that there could be times where the pros could outweigh the cons, and in those cases, I'll just remove the goat picture, and leave the thread. But in the current forum environment of several people trying to push the limits, that equation is less likely to end up on the pro side. So I hope that everyone will stop posting these pictures and allow the forum to resume it's regular routines. It is now Easter, and I don't want to be spending it policing the forum.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #6 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:08:33 AM »

Quote from: lp670sv on April 08, 2012, 12:06:13 AM

If it wasn't lumped in with the 8 or 9 other threads it wouldn't have been moved but right now there are just too many threads that are challenging the Prof to let anything go. If you want this to be exlusively between you and Prof U so that you can ensure it won't be "goat bombed" either use PMs or lock the thread and unlock it to respond to his unlock post lock.

I had a serious post about the underlying issue. Instead of discussion, it is just gone. That's rude.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #7 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:09:42 AM »

YMT, I know you are a Christian man, please do NOT act like this. I am obviously a bit busy trying to keep up with all the stuff going on right now, and just because I don't respond to your thread fast enough, you start posting pics everywhere. Please stop this.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:11:24 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on April 08, 2012, 12:09:42 AM

YMT, I know you are a Christian man, please do NOT act like this. I am obviously a bit busy trying to keep up with all the stuff going on right now, and just because I don't respond to your thread fast enough, you start posting pics everywhere. Please stop this.

Choose your enforcement carefully. This was all explained in the thread you Quarantined.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #9 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:17:18 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 08, 2012, 12:08:33 AM

I had a serious post about the underlying issue. Instead of discussion, it is just gone. That's rude.

Then send a PM to Pol asking him to stop posting pics of goats in your threads. I agree that it was rude of him to do that. And it has been noted. But your post was also worded in a way that I felt like again the pros did not outweigh the cons.

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 08, 2012, 12:11:24 AM

Choose your enforcement carefully. This was all explained in the thread you Quarantined.

Those are well-established threads that are not currently off-topic. Therefore the pros outweigh the cons (see above post). But please have some maturity here and stop trying to push the limits on things by purposefully trying to get threads locked that don't need to be.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #10 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:17:57 AM »

Rude of me to give him fuel to burn? Idk about that

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #11 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:20:55 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on April 08, 2012, 12:17:18 AM

Then send a PM to Pol asking him to stop posting pics of goats in your threads.

That's the most ludicrous thing you have said so far. What other people post in my threads is not something I can control. My discussion should not end on someone else's decision to post a meaningless picture that hurts no one.

The underlying issue is still not resolved.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #12 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:24:53 AM »

Seriously,

Behave. All of you.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #13 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:27:56 AM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on April 08, 2012, 12:24:53 AM

Behave. All of you.

I admit that I have exceeded the threshold, but that was an intentional attempt to bring to light a serious problem with Moderator enforcement on this Message Board. You can call me childish and immature (both of which I am), but if the underlying issue is never addressed, then these boards are nothing more then a spewing ground for partisan political banter.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #14 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:28:43 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 08, 2012, 12:17:57 AM

Rude of me to give him fuel to burn? Idk about that

Rude of you to rebel against the authority structure that is set up here. If you feel like my removal of goat pictures is an abuse of my authority as a global mod, then send a PM to Schaef about it. But unless he removes me from this position, then I have been put in a position of authority (on a small scale). And the Bible teaches that we are to submit to the authorities that have been placed over us (unless they contradict a higher authority, and the Bible doesn't say that you HAVE to post pictures of goats). So therefore you should respect my stated rule, and stop posting goat pictures.

It was also rude of you to post in that thread because you shut down a conversation that YMT really felt like he needed to have. This caused him to be incited to some other behavior that was also NOT in submission to authority. Therefore you caused your brother to stumble, which is also wrong.

So yeah, I think what you did was rude, and I'll add wrong to that. I really hope that you and YMT both know that I still love you guys totally as Christian brothers. And I'm really hoping that all this will be old news in a couple days. I am not even really angry about any of this. But I still stand by the policies that I've stated, and I ask you guys to respect that.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #15 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:33:19 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on April 08, 2012, 12:28:43 AM

I really hope that you and YMT both know that I still love you guys totally as Christian brothers. And I'm really hoping that all this will be old news in a couple days.

Obviously it is nothing personal, and will be meaningless tomorrow. You know me. But you are right that I felt the issue needed to be discussed, which is why I started the other thread.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #16 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:33:54 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 08, 2012, 12:27:56 AM

if the underlying issue is never addressed

I thought I had addressed the underlying issue of why I would quarantine threads sometimes and remove posts at other times. It is based on a subjective ratio of pros and cons. I might get it wrong sometimes, but I am trying my best to be objective and consider the overall forum situation (currently hyper-sensitive), the overall thread situation (sometimes established threads that are contributing to the overall forum, and sometimes threads that have just started and are testing limits, or pretty negative, and sometimes threads that have already been answered and have gone off-topic already), and the specific post situation (rebellious).

If that is not the "underlying issue" then I must have missed it and apologize for not dealing with it. Can you remind me what it is that I've missed?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #17 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:38:01 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on April 08, 2012, 12:33:54 AM

If that is not the "underlying issue" then I must have missed it and apologize for not dealing with it. Can you remind me what it is that I've missed?

My thread was not about how to rebel, but how to prevent it. The rule you are enforcing is nonsensical. Why do you even have it?

Is it really sinful to just want to have fun and post about seemingly meaningless topics just for the enjoyment of its meaninglessness? Does every thread have to be about serious political and/or theological debates?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #18 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:43:13 AM »

Words can't express how much I want to post a picture of a goat right now in this thread. That being said, I won't, because posting pictures of a goat is an art that has been disrespected often recently. CGD Forums behavior has been very disappointing.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #19 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:45:44 AM »

Row row fight the powah

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #20 on:** April 08, 2012, 12:49:10 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 08, 2012, 12:43:13 AM

Words can't express how much I want to post a picture of a goat right now in this thread.

This thread is hereby "established," so your picture will be deleted.

At least I think so.....

..... which reinforces my point. There's no way for me to know if the picture will be deleted, or if the thread will be Quarantined...

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #21 on:** April 08, 2012, 01:01:15 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 08, 2012, 12:43:13 AM

I won't

I appreciate your self-control.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on April 08, 2012, 12:45:44 AM

Row row fight the powah

This is NOT the right attitude to have on a Christian forum.

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 08, 2012, 12:49:10 AM

This thread is hereby "established," so your picture will be deleted.

Yep I would consider this thread established at this point. It also is still on topic. And I think it is contributing to the forum overall. Therefore goat pictures here would probably be better simply removed as specific posts, rather than locking the thread (unless people act immaturely and purposefully derail the discussion and use this freedom as an excuse to post a bunch of goat pics here, so please don't do that anyone).

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 08, 2012, 12:38:01 AM

My thread was not about how to rebel, but how to prevent it. The rule you are enforcing is nonsensical. Why do you even have it?

The first occurrence of goat pictures that I can remember here on the forum was a purposefully spammy thread that was created by a forum member who I think was actually even a double account (also against the rules). So goat pictures have ever since been viewed with the connotation of slight rebellion against the board policies. And since they don't serve a helpful purpose, I really don't think they need to be here. I can understand if you don't agree, and I can also even agree with you that it's really not a huge deal. But I do have some logic behind my thinking, so it's not "nonsensical".

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #22 on:** April 08, 2012, 01:05:58 AM »

Goats aside, then, what about other meaningless fun discussions? What about "No, you're thinking of..." types of discussions? This loose definition of "spam" has created an atmosphere of laughter oppression. There has to be more to come here for on a daily basis than one or two ruling questions sandwiched between hours of political rhetoric.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #23 on:** April 08, 2012, 01:07:04 AM »

Row row fight the powah is about doing the impossible and seeing the invisible - not an act of rebellion.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #24 on:** April 08, 2012, 01:13:08 AM »

I agree that simply posting pictures of goats is not offensive to anyone, and these forums aren't exactly brimming with activity on a normal basis.

I feel the control of spam really should be lessened. I don't think I have once seen the first page of Off Topic filled with spam. Besides, what other CRUCIAL topics would a thread about goats be taking the place of? What harm do threads about goats cause?

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Author Topic: Post deletion vs. Quarantine (Read 17075 times)

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