Author Topic: How come barely any girls play Redemption? (Read 10848 times)

lp670sv · « **Reply #25 on:** May 20, 2012, 06:40:36 PM »

Actually I'm not falling behind. You pretty much just clarified that that is exactly what you did. You used Hottie to be the opposite of a nerd.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #26 on:** May 20, 2012, 06:45:12 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on May 20, 2012, 06:40:36 PM

Actually I'm not falling behind. You pretty much just clarified that that is exactly what you did. You used Hottie to be the opposite of a nerd.

And I also said that "jock" is the opposite of "nerd," based purely on traditional definitions. But my wife does not qualify as a "jock" since she is not athletic. What exactly is your point and purpose?

michaeljl · « **Reply #27 on:** May 20, 2012, 06:50:45 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 20, 2012, 06:45:12 PM

Quote from: lp670sv on May 20, 2012, 06:40:36 PM
Actually I'm not falling behind. You pretty much just clarified that that is exactly what you did. You used Hottie to be the opposite of a nerd.

And I also said that "jock" is the opposite of "nerd," based purely on traditional definitions. But my wife does not qualify as a "jock" since she is not athletic. What exactly is your point and purpose?

Aren't there other things besides jocks and nerds? Punks, hipsters, druggies, rich kids, choir boys, etc?

My real questions is, though, is this high school?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #28 on:** May 20, 2012, 06:52:58 PM »

Quote from: michaeljl on May 20, 2012, 06:50:45 PM

Aren't there other things besides jocks and nerds? Punks, hipsters, druggies, rich kids, choir boys, etc?

Indeed, but my wife doesn't fit any of those definitions either.

Quote from: michaeljl on May 20, 2012, 06:50:45 PM

My real questions is, though, is this high school?

That depends on what your definition of "nerd" is, I guess.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 20, 2012, 06:55:15 PM »

this thread is so far off topic lol

we were discussing ways to make this game more attractive to female players . . . which i dont know y i care except that more players equals more fun

michaeljl · « **Reply #30 on:** May 20, 2012, 06:57:41 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 20, 2012, 06:52:58 PM

That depends on what your definition of "nerd" is, I guess.

The people on Big Bang Theory, basically.

They have way too much knowledge about non-practical areas of interest, like card games, comic books, Star Trek, or even music. Smart, although they either keep their obsessions to themselves or are somewhat of a social outcast for being openly overly obsessed.

Quote from: jbeers285 on May 20, 2012, 06:55:15 PM

this thread is so far off topic lol

we were discussing ways to make this game more attractive to female players . . . which i dont know y i care except that more players equals more fun

And we were saying that card games, in general, are male-dominated because of social norms, I think.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #31 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:02:13 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on May 20, 2012, 06:55:15 PM

this thread is so far off topic lol

I wouldn't care if a Moderator just deleted or branched the sidetalk, since it was indeed off the topic.

Quote from: jbeers285 on May 20, 2012, 06:55:15 PM

we were discussing ways to make this game more attractive to female players . . . which i dont know y i care except that more players equals more fun

I agree with you wholeheartedly. We need to target all potential players in spite of perceived stereotypes.

Quote from: michaeljl on May 20, 2012, 06:57:41 PM

They have way too much knowledge about non-practical areas of interest, like card games, comic books, Star Trek, or even music. Smart, although they either keep their obsessions to themselves or are somewhat of a social outcast for being openly overly obsessed.

Then we are working off two different definitions. However, I would still argue that a girl who plays Redemption (or any other gaming hobby) would not necessarily fit that definition.

Quote from: michaeljl on May 20, 2012, 06:57:41 PM

And we were saying that card games, in general, are male-dominated because of social norms, I think.

Yes, on that point we all agree.

michaeljl · « **Reply #32 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:04:13 PM »

Well, if you want to bring more players to the game, I don't think trying to get girls to play Redemption is going to meet with as much success. Nor does marketing to women seem like a good idea, because women already don't play card games.

In fact, most of the people I've met who have been most interested in Redemption have been MTG players, some of whom are very much not Christian and are interested in it for strategic reasons.

Although I think that one of the best things Redemption offers is an INCREDIBLE way to increase your knowledge of the Bible quickly and easily while having fun, so seminary students is another good idea.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:23:20 PM »

Well connecting to MTG players can be a great ministry tool to reach the unreached

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #34 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:23:45 PM »

Quote from: michaeljl on May 20, 2012, 07:04:13 PM

Although I think that one of the best things Redemption offers is an INCREDIBLE way to increase your knowledge of the Bible quickly and easily while having fun, so seminary students is another good idea.

I think that Redemption players would probably win a trivia contest with many Bible Scholars.

Question #3: Name any three Zerubbabel's Temple Priests.

My target audience prior to moving to FL was a Christian High School in CT. This is very much an audience that needs to be pursued with more vigor (Christian schools of all levels).

lp670sv · « **Reply #35 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:34:31 PM »

My point is that we do have some women who visit these boards who might take offense to "hot" being assigned to being an antonym of nerdy, which they inherently are by playing a card game. Nerdy is a personality type, it has nothing to do with physical appearance. Let's not try to tie them together lest we insult the view women we can actually get to play Redemption.

Master KChief · « **Reply #36 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:36:11 PM »

Actually, in my experience, female nerds tend to be very hot.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #37 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:36:12 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on May 20, 2012, 07:34:31 PM

My point is that we do have some women who visit these boards who might take offense to "hot" being assigned to being an antonym of nerdy, which they inherently are by playing a card game. Nerdy is a personality type, it has nothing to do with physical appearance. Let's not try to tie them together lest we insult the view women we can actually get to play Redemption.

And my point is that calling a girl "nerdy" simply because she plays a card game is equally offensive, regardless of your definition.

michaeljl · « **Reply #38 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:40:27 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 20, 2012, 07:36:12 PM

And my point is that calling a girl "nerdy" simply because she plays a card game is equally offensive, regardless of your definition.

How is that offensive? As long as your tactful, it's not offensive.

lp670sv · « **Reply #39 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:41:47 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 20, 2012, 07:36:12 PM

Quote from: lp670sv on May 20, 2012, 07:34:31 PM
My point is that we do have some women who visit these boards who might take offense to "hot" being assigned to being an antonym of nerdy, which they inherently are by playing a card game. Nerdy is a personality type, it has nothing to do with physical appearance. Let's not try to tie them together lest we insult the view women we can actually get to play Redemption.

And my point is that calling a girl "nerdy" simply because she plays a card game is equally offensive, regardless of your definition.

CCGs are inherintly nerdy, just as football is inherently sport. Actions define people. If a person participates in a sport they are sporty, if they do nerdy things they are nerdy. If you don't want to be associated with being nerdy you can't do nerdy things. Appearance is related with only appearance.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #40 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:47:16 PM »

Ip I agree with ur sentiment but think ur over reading the issue

I've heard about starting play groups for middle school youth groups krounks does this and Jerome and I have discussed potentially doing the same

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #41 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:47:38 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on May 20, 2012, 07:36:11 PM

Actually, in my experience, female nerds tend to be very hot.

though I may be biased...

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #42 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:50:13 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on May 20, 2012, 07:41:47 PM

CCGs are inherintly nerdy, just as football is inherently sport.

This is the point I disagree with, starting with my initial post in the sidetalk. Kirk Dennison is someone I would define as an athlete because he plays sports and looks like an athlete. Apprearance is inherent in the definition of both "jock" and "nerd." This can be verified in the dictionary.

Not everyone who is part of a football team would be considered a jock, especially if they never play and sit the bench for physical reasons.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #43 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:54:39 PM »

Oh trust me, Kirk is definitely a nerd, However, he's also a jock - I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.

Nameless · « **Reply #44 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:56:48 PM »

My Mom plays.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #45 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:57:56 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on May 20, 2012, 07:54:39 PM

Oh trust me, Kirk is definitely a nerd, However, he's also a jock - I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.

That is true based on the definition that Michael eventually presented, but not off the one I was thinking. Like I said, the misunderstanding came from different definitions of "nerd," so that was my fault.

TheMarti · « **Reply #46 on:** May 20, 2012, 08:44:32 PM »

I actually find the word "hot" to be offensive, but that's because I'm overly conservative.

And Gretel and I will both tell you that we're proud to be nerds.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #47 on:** May 20, 2012, 08:58:22 PM »

Quote from: The Marti on May 20, 2012, 08:44:32 PM

I actually find the word "hot" to be offensive, but that's because I'm overly conservative.

Really? Why? (You can PM this response to avoid off-topic, but I would like to know.) I have said that about my wife numerous times on these boards and no one ever said anything, so I apologize if that bothered you.

Quote from: The Marti on May 20, 2012, 08:44:32 PM

And Gretel and I will both tell you that we're proud to be nerds.

But, you're already players. We are trying to avoid offending girls that might consider playing Redemption, but do not want to be classified as nerds (for their own reasons).

michaeljl · « **Reply #48 on:** May 20, 2012, 09:00:49 PM »

The study method idea isn't gender exclusive.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #49 on:** May 20, 2012, 09:03:00 PM »

Quote from: michaeljl on May 20, 2012, 09:00:49 PM

The study method idea isn't gender exclusive.

If this post was for me, I have no idea what you are talking about.

If this post is not for me, then ignore everything I just said.

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Author Topic: How come barely any girls play Redemption? (Read 10848 times)

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