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This seems pretty good

Love this idea! May even create some ideas of my own!

Why would their be lost souls in the Garden of Eden 

So if the sites would be protected, the lost souls would be as well? That doesn't make much sense, but I like the idea. Seems like it'd make more sense if it said fortresses, but this is much better.

This is card is saying, "Dermo, add me to your Genegyptian deck....add me! add me! add me!" lol.  Awesome card!

Flaming Sword is already a card.

Flaming Sword is already a card.

I know it is....I was just thinking that Gabe created a new version of it.  I wanted to see it.

I think this is an ok idea but this particular version of it is too easily abused. If Jacob couldn't band to him, maybe... he just fits too well into a Genesis deck right now and that's already a good deck

I also dislike the idea of a hero aiding in the prevention of a lost soul being saved . . . I like the idea of the card but just can't get over the hero thing

Interesting idea.  Here's my constructive criticism:

I'm pretty much not a fan of abilities that protect from all of opponent's cards, period.  I realize that the angel's ability could be negated but otherwise there is no way to counter this short of printing some more regardless cards.  I think broad protection that still has a hole in it is better (protect from opponent's evil cards or protect from opponents characters and enhancements, etc).  If there are more blanket protection cards then I think they should have a cost associated.  I think protecting from all opponents is also a little op.  It'd make it hard to not want to use that in multiplayer.


I think that you mean this to deny acces to opponents.  I'm sure this wouldn't do that unless we've all been playing Caesarea Philippi (Di) wrong. 

• Special Ability: Protect N.T. human Evil Characters in your territory from capture and discard abilities on opponents' cards. Protect N.T. Sites in your territory from opponents' cards. •

I think that site access targets the hero, not the sites.  This ability simply protects the sites which is pretty powerful with the nice sites out there and gets better with any new powerful sites. 

To protect the souls you could say:  Protect your lost souls in sites from opponent's humans, or protect your lost soul sites and cards on them from opponent's cards (except angels), or restrict your opponent's human heros from entering battle until next turn, or your opponents' human heros have no brigade color until next turn.

Conceptually/Theologically I have to agree with lp's comment.  Eden didn't have lost souls in it; it was protected from fallen humans entering (I think to prevent them from being eternally locked in that state since we have to die to sin with Christ in order to live with Christ).  I think a closer example of angels keeping humans out of a place and away from lost souls would be the angels at Sodom and Gomorrah and the forced evacuation of Lot's family. 

I'm not sure a hero acting as a hero should prevent all the souls from being saved but there are examples where God limited salvation to be not this person at this time like in Sodom where they seemed to be past the point of repentance and all that was left was judgement.

All you have to say to stop site access is:
"Lost Souls in sites cannot be rescued except by angels" and whatever duration and/or restrictions you chose to give it.

I like the ability and the scripture matches the ability, however I still find it strange that The Garden of Eden is a site that can be used to hold lost souls when the only humans in it were Adam and Eve until their fall (I guess technically they were lost souls for whatever time it took from when they ate the fruit until they were banished)

I think this ability would work better on a curse, probably something from Jeremiah about how God was going to destroy Jerusalem and there was nothing they could do about it (I can't remember where it is and Jeremiah is too long for me to look through it right now, maybe I'll have something later)

I do however like the idea for the character and the picture is awesome, and just because the ability would work better on a curse doesn't mean this card can't have it either.

"Protect Heroes from Site Access and restrict all opponents from putting multi-colored Sites in battle until your next turn?" It's much less pithy but it's the best way I can think of to do what you want it to do.

I think the only way to make heroes protecting sites biblically accurate would be to make this card protect lost souls from bein placed in the garden of Eden but since that's not a site and that's not why you want it to do......

For those of you that prefer a more theologically correct ability, let's try this:

"Look through opponent's collection and rip all Garden of Eden Sites. For the remainder of the game, if Adam or Eve enter battle, set them on fire."

Is Brian Cooper on R&D now?

"Protect Lost Souls in Sites from rescue by human Heroes until your next turn."

"Protect Lost Souls in Genesis Sites from rescue by humans until your next turn."

I think that would be a little more accurate and balanced. I like the idea though