Author Topic: Maccabees. (Read 5948 times)

Colin Michael · « **on:** March 15, 2009, 09:40:13 PM »

Whether you regard it as cannonical or not, Maccabees offers great insight into post-exhilic Jewish history. It contains many names, peoples, and battles (people and events that I would love to learn about and commit to memory through Redemption).

With the inovations of the cards of St. Patrick and Emporer Nero, would there be any objections to the possible future printing of a Maccabees set?

Sean · « **Reply #1 on:** March 15, 2009, 11:10:45 PM »

I don't think a set would be devoted to something that isn't based in Scripture. Having some stuff from the inter-testimental period would be interesting though. We've already got Antiochus Epiphanies, so why not others?

Colin Michael · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2009, 11:13:30 PM »

Quote from: Sean on March 15, 2009, 11:10:45 PM

I don't think a set would be devoted to something that isn't based in Scripture. Having some stuff from the inter-testimental period would be interesting though. We've already got Antiochus Epiphanies, so why not others?

Well, technically, it's just not mutually agreed upon as scripture.

thestrongangel · « **Reply #3 on:** March 16, 2009, 08:30:51 AM »

Maccabees is great. I don't see why it isnt in the bible if Esther is.

JSB23 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 16, 2009, 08:38:13 AM »

Quote from: Rrulez4theSA on March 16, 2009, 08:30:51 AM

Maccabees is great. I don't see why it isnt in the bible if Esther is.

Dude Esther's very important

thestrongangel · « **Reply #5 on:** March 16, 2009, 08:43:05 AM »

Quote from: JSB23 on March 16, 2009, 08:38:13 AM

Quote from: Rrulez4theSA on March 16, 2009, 08:30:51 AM
Maccabees is great. I don't see why it isnt in the bible if Esther is.
Dude Esther's very important

I know. But the book doesnt mention God once and Maccabees is a good story also. I have a hunch it might have been removed. -_-

crustpope · « **Reply #6 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:03:53 AM »

Quote from: JSB23 on March 16, 2009, 08:38:13 AM

Quote from: Rrulez4theSA on March 16, 2009, 08:30:51 AM
Maccabees is great. I don't see why it isnt in the bible if Esther is.
Dude Esther's very important

Maybe it is important from a jewish perspective, but as Rulz said, Esther doesnt mention God once. In fact the only religious practice it mentions is fasting, not praying or attending synagogue, or anything else, just fasting. It does provide the scriptural basis for Purim but that is all.

Maccabees provides the scriptural basis for Hanukah, mentions Temple worship and the priestly duties and prayer, so by Esthers Definition if deserves to be considered scriptural. It just wasn't because Luther not to include it in the OT

Colin Michael · « **Reply #7 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:16:52 AM »

Quote from: crustpope on March 16, 2009, 09:03:53 AM

Quote from: JSB23 on March 16, 2009, 08:38:13 AM
Quote from: Rrulez4theSA on March 16, 2009, 08:30:51 AM
Maccabees is great. I don't see why it isnt in the bible if Esther is.
Dude Esther's very important

Maybe it is important from a jewish perspective, but as Rulz said, Esther doesnt mention God once. In fact the only religious practice it mentions is fasting, not praying or attending synagogue, or anything else, just fasting. It does provide the scriptural basis for Purim but that is all.

Maccabees provides the scriptural basis for Hanukah, mentions Temple worship and the priestly duties and prayer, so by Esthers Definition if deserves to be considered scriptural. It just wasn't because Luther not to include it in the OT

I think the Protestants chose not to accept it because out of it was derived the Catholic doctrine of praying for the dead.

Esther is still desputed as to whether it is a historical event or not, actually.

crustpope · « **Reply #8 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:34:58 AM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on March 16, 2009, 09:16:52 AM

I think the Protestants chose not to accept it because out of it was derived the Catholic doctrine of praying for the dead.

I agree, that may have been Luther's measuring stick for what is scriptural.

Quote from: Colin Michael on March 16, 2009, 09:16:52 AM

Esther is still desputed as to whether it is a historical event or not, actually.

Colin, come on, you are better than that. I didnt say historical basis, I said scriptural basis. As a Historian, I know that there is little proof of the Esther story, but it does not change the fact that modern Jews believe in the Esther Story and use the book to support the practice of cebrating Purim.

besides, in this instance there likely wouldn't be muh written records to prove an event like this anyway because Persian Kings are loathe to record anything that does not glorify themselves.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #9 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:36:22 AM »

Well, naturally. No accusations were made, I was just bringing it up (I have a habit of always quoting the post in front of me).

crustpope · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2009, 12:28:31 PM »

Not a fan of the Apochryphal books?

The maccabees led a revolt against the selucid rulers of paleistine about 170 Yrs before Christ. It is from this revolt that the Jews get the story of Hanukah when judas maccabeus has the priests cleans the temple after so many years of greek rule. Eventually the rebellion leads to the Hyrcanus Dynasty where the Priesthood and the Kingship are entertwined and they see themselves as Kings AND Priests, worshiping on the Sabbath and killing the rest of the week

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Colin Michael · « **Reply #11 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:11:08 AM »

Quote from: the musicain on March 17, 2009, 12:18:12 PM

Quote from: Colin Michael on March 15, 2009, 09:40:13 PM
Whether you regard it as cannonical or not, Maccabees offers great insight into post-exhilic Jewish history. It contains many names, peoples, and battles (people and events that I would love to learn about and commit to memory through Redemption).

With the inovations of the cards of St. Patrick and Emporer Nero, would there be any objections to the possible future printing of a Maccabees set?

maccabees?

It's one of the additional books of the Bible in Catholic and Orthodox traditions.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #12 on:** March 18, 2009, 02:41:36 PM »

Quote from: the musicain on March 18, 2009, 11:03:13 AM

oh.. are you chotholic? or orthodox?

I'm transitioning from Presbyterianism to Catholicism at the moment.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2009, 05:40:45 PM »

Quote from: the musicain on March 18, 2009, 03:15:42 PM

Presbyterianism?

Basically, from reformed to Catholicism.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2009, 06:11:20 PM »

Quote from: the musicain on March 18, 2009, 06:00:53 PM

are you a Presbyterianism?

No. As I said, I'm at a transitioning period.

crustpope · « **Reply #15 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:13:44 PM »

ummmm, both presbyterian and Catholic are part of Christianity. soo, his change is more of a sideways move.

thestrongangel · « **Reply #16 on:** March 19, 2009, 09:26:19 AM »

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ummmm, both presbyterian and Catholic are part of Christianity

It's debatable.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2009, 11:14:04 AM »

Quote from: Rrulez4theSA on March 19, 2009, 09:26:19 AM

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ummmm, both presbyterian and Catholic are part of Christianity
It's debatable.

Not on this message board.

JSB23 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 19, 2009, 11:22:32 AM »

Quote from: the musicain on March 19, 2009, 11:19:04 AM

Quote from: crustpope on March 18, 2009, 09:13:44 PM
ummmm, both presbyterian and Catholic are part of Christianity. soo, his change is more of a sideways move.

i could say a few things about this. $:-\$ catholic pray to mother mary is she god?? no

openin' a can o' worms eh?

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #19 on:** March 19, 2009, 11:22:44 AM »

Quote from: the musicain on March 19, 2009, 11:19:04 AM

Quote from: crustpope on March 18, 2009, 09:13:44 PM
ummmm, both presbyterian and Catholic are part of Christianity. soo, his change is more of a sideways move.
i could say a few things about this. $:-\$ catholic pray to mother mary is she god?? no

I already warned you that debating about the inclusion of Catholics or Protestants within the Christian community will probably not be tolerated, and I expect that any posts debating this issue will be deleted or threads locked. So please refrain.

The Schaef · « **Reply #20 on:** March 19, 2009, 11:24:01 AM »

You expect correct.

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