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Assassins Mini-Theme
« on: August 28, 2012, 04:57:00 AM »
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Assassin Leader
12/2 Gold Evil Character, WC
-Egyptian, X=Number of Good Brigades in battle-
"Discard X cards from opponents deck to draw X. If X>2, Discard a Warrior-Class Evil Character to Protect Lost Souls from rescue. Cannot be Prevented."
~Acts 21:38

Army of Assassins
6/3 Gold Evil Character, WC and TC
-Egyptian, Generic, Limit 4 per 50-
"May band with Army of Assassins. When Discarded, look at your opponent's hand and Discard a card or Discard 2 from his deck. Cannot be Interrupted."
~Acts 21:38

Wilderness Lair
Evil Fortress
-Holds any number of Assassins-
"When your Assassin is Discarded, decrease a Human by assassin's offense. You may Discard an Assassin here any time. Opponent may Discard 2 cards from deck regardless of protection instead."
~Acts 21:38

Assassin Revolt
0/0 Gold Evil Enhancement, TC
"Search deck and Discard Pile for any Assassins you choose and play them. Place in territory: at any time you may Discard your Assassin to discard 1 from opponent's deck to draw 1."
~Acts 21:38

King Jehu
7/4 Brown Evil Character, WC
-Assassin, King of Judah-
"Discard a King to Discard 2 from opponent's deck to draw 2. Opponent may withdraw a Hero from battle to Negate this. Cannot be Prevented."

Bigthan
6/6 Brown Evil Character
-Persian Assassin-
"May band with Teresh to Discard a King. If King is Persian, draw 2 and withdraw all Evil Characters from battle."
Esther 2:21

Teresh
6/6 Brown Evil Character
-Persian Assassin-
"For every card drawn this turn (past and future), Discard 1 from opponent's deck to protect a Lost Soul from Rescue. Cannot be Negated."
Esther 2:21

A theme similar in style to Gates of Samaria, but more offensively-oriented and much higher-risk. Would legitimize hand and deck protection.
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Re: Assassins Mini-Theme
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2012, 08:05:51 AM »
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Army of Assassins
6/3 Gold Evil Character, WC and TC
-Egyptian, Generic, Limit 4 per 50-
"May band with Army of Assassins. When Discarded, look at your opponent's hand and Discard a card or Discard 2 from his deck. Cannot be Interrupted."
~Acts 21:38
Just out of curiosity, what does a Territory Class character do?

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A theme similar in style to Gates of Samaria, but more offensively-oriented and much higher-risk. Would legitimize hand and deck protection.
Quite. And by "higher-risk" I take it that the standard "if the card is a lost soul place in land of bondage instead" boiler plate is not included on purpose.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2012, 08:09:46 AM by EmJayBee83 »

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Re: Assassins Mini-Theme
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2012, 10:30:25 AM »
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I would assume that a territory class characters ability would be active when it comes into play rather than when it enters battle.

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Re: Assassins Mini-Theme
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2012, 12:12:53 PM »
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Assassin Leader needs an "If blocking..." clause in its SA.  I can't even imagine the combo decks involving him, Healing of Naaman, and Sam banding chains if his ability worked as a hero (although they would be fun!).

Also, Assassin Leader seems way too....  splashable.  Especially with TC recursion. I'm not sure what's stopping the new meta defense from becoming Uzzah, Am Slave, Assassin Leader, Army of Assassins, Assassin Revolt, Teresh, and Plot.  This D has drawing + sniping of opponent's dominants/TGT/etc.

A bold and creative proposal, definitely.  Discarding cards from opponent's deck is super strong though.  Confusion is not CBP/CBI/CBN and is not a character, and it still makes its way into top defenses.  Now you have Confusion x2/3/4/etc. on characters that are CBP/CBN.  Do you think mass topdecking is UP, and therefore these need the ability to choose the discarded card to be playable?
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Re: Assassins Mini-Theme
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2012, 12:18:30 PM »
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Correct on both counts. The risk of Discarding Lost Souls balances the very powerful Assassins, and TC Characters are active at all times.

@Hartz, all of these are topdeck abilities (except that I think in Redemption, Topdeck means return to top of deck). I don't think Assassin Leader is splashy per se, but he would definitely be a huge bummer to Sam decks. He doesn't do much against TGT, though. As to him being Converted, that's risky because if there are any WC EC's in play you lose a turn of Rescuing. If it did end up being a problem, I'd propose this rule with whatever set they were released in:

"When an Evil Character loses an Identifier upon conversion, his Special Ability does not convert."

It would make sense, because when a Magician gets saved, he stops practicing magic and when an assassin gets saved, he stops assassinating.
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Re: Assassins Mini-Theme
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2012, 12:42:27 PM »
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It would make sense, because when a Magician gets saved, he stops practicing magic and when an assassin gets saved, he stops assassinating.

Not necessarily true. I'd argue for quite a few good characters to be included under the "assassin" identifier, including Jair and Ehud.

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2012, 03:52:51 PM »
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Re: Assassins Mini-Theme
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2012, 05:27:18 PM »
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Jehu was a King of Israel, not Judah.

Otherwise I like them all, except for Teresh. He's uber broked. Splash him in any of the big drawing civs (Egyptians, Romans, Pharisees) , play Lurking or something to bring him in after draw 2-5, then discard 5-8+ cards off the top of your opponent's deck and probably win the battle by protecting all the LSs to boot.
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Re: Assassins Mini-Theme
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2012, 06:37:01 PM »
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Otherwise I like them all, except for Teresh. He's uber broked. Splash him in any of the big drawing civs (Egyptians, Romans, Pharisees) , play Lurking or something to bring him in after draw 2-5, then discard 5-8+ cards off the top of your opponent's deck and probably win the battle by protecting all the LSs to boot.
And, as currently written he triggers off your opponent's draw phase. He's currently a CBN, non-suicidal, cost-less, Uzzah, that also discards at least three cards.

Other than that, they're all fantastic, and I would almost definitely, probably, play them.
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Re: Assassins Mini-Theme
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2012, 06:04:56 PM »
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I think they're pretty decent and I especially like Lambo's work making the cards. Although, wouldn't it be better to make Teresh band to Bigthan that way Teresh's ability could activate if you discarded a Persian King with Bigthan and then change Bigthan's ability to "If Teresh is in battle discard a king..." Thoughts?

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Re: Assassins Mini-Theme
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2012, 06:48:31 PM »
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I love the art. And teresh is borked.
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Re: Assassins Mini-Theme
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2012, 01:58:41 PM »
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Teresh should be "For every card drawn this turn by a special ability...". That would make it less broken at least.

 


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