Author Topic: Artifact Idear (Read 7807 times)

Destroyha · « **on:** July 27, 2010, 10:24:20 PM »

(I have not thought a name for the card but here is the idea) Decrease all animal/beast evil characters by 2/5 or can be played as an enhancment 4/4 (Brigade color doesn't matter here) special ability is if used by an old test.hero return card to hand

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2010, 10:30:50 PM »

This card is not even as good as Cross Beams of the Cross, which itself is not even as good as Three Nails. So few people even use any animals or beasts, and when they do, it's probably only one - maybe two in a crimson deck. An ability like this is something that might just be tacked onto the end of a card for kicks, but it's not a great ability on its own. Try adding a little more stuff, probably pre-block ignore, since we need more of that.

Master KChief · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2010, 10:41:33 PM »

but we need more fluff in expansions, or else we dont know the good stuff. hats off to your animal-hate sir. just expect a call from peta soon.

Destroyha · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2010, 10:52:15 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on July 27, 2010, 10:30:50 PM

This card is not even as good as Cross Beams of the Cross, which itself is not even as good as Three Nails. So few people even use any animals or beasts, and when they do, it's probably only one - maybe two in a crimson deck. An ability like this is something that might just be tacked onto the end of a card for kicks, but it's not a great ability on its own. Try adding a little more stuff, probably pre-block ignore, since we need more of that.

Ya true i barely ever see a animal/beast unless its locust from the pit thats just about it probably should just go and restock my minifridge with pop but not pepsi im i coke man all the way now it feels like im ranting and going off subject o speaking of subject how do you do feel about THE MOST AMAZING BATTLE EVER ONLY ONE WILL SURVIVE NOW I MUST ASK YOU?? coke or pepsi (he better not say pepsi or he is just as bad as that beverly drink they serve at disney parks) o crap is this thing still ooooooooo crao ok gotta go

lightningninja · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2010, 11:57:18 PM »

This is an excellent card for fbtn. You would definitely see this card used. Because it would negate the "return to hand" clause.

crustpope · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2010, 12:28:52 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on July 27, 2010, 10:41:33 PM

but we need more fluff in expansions, or else we dont know the good stuff.

I strongly dissagree with this. I think TEP was probably the best expansion yet simply because it had NO fluff. There is no need to print a card that will never (or rarely) see play. it makes no business sense and it just clutters the game. Cactus is having to go out of their way to see some of these older cards see play. Who would play with John the baptist without Spirit as a Dove being in print?

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2010, 12:30:48 AM »

Erm, Who plays with John the Baptist even with Spirit as a Dove being in print?

But don't worry, I've heard from a good source that there may be even more reason to play John the Baptist next year.

JSB23 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2010, 02:44:46 AM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on July 28, 2010, 12:30:48 AM

But don't worry, I've heard from a good source that there may be even more reason to play John the Baptist next year.

Like he's getting a reprint.....

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2010, 03:42:11 AM »

No fluff? There's a Teal card and a Silver card on the phone for you, they're very offended at being forgotten.

Master KChief · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2010, 03:45:43 AM »

there is plenty of fluff. when is the last time you saw anyone use axe that isnt a noob?

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2010, 03:46:22 AM »

Not sure which teal card you're referring too, I think all of them are useful,

I'll give you Consuming Fire though....

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2010, 03:59:27 AM »

Something about Zadook. It's Priests uncommon at best, pure fluff at worst.

Axe isn't the best, but it isn't fluff either. Look at Inspection from Priests and then look at Axe and you can clearly see the difference. It's unfortunate that they over-balanced it, but it's still useful and I have it in a few of my Babylonian defenses. What other examples from the "plenty" can you show?

Master KChief · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2010, 04:09:26 AM »

fluff:

asa's good reign
axe
joseph of arimathea
pretension

to name a few.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2010, 04:48:26 AM »

Alan Rice is a respectable player who has been using Joseph of Arimathea all year long.

Asa's is pretty much fluff. Pretension has some usage, Axe is very useful to a babylonian defence.

My fluff list:

Judah
Well Reopened
Consuming Fire
Martha - Useful to ABom though, so not pure fluff.

Master KChief · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2010, 05:05:33 AM »

salome is far better than joseph on pretty much every scale. thats fluff in my book.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #15 on:** July 28, 2010, 06:51:16 AM »

Asa's Good Reign: Ok, yeah. Still, it's just not that good, rather than almost useless.
Axe: Addressed. Not fluff at all.
Joseph of Arimathea: I thought that was a promo for some reason. Would be good, but dwarfed by Salome.
Pretension: I always thought it was a pretty good card. Given that Pharisees have almost nothing, that may be skewing my opinion.
Judah: Situational, but idk about fluff. He's the only card in the game that can permanently steal a Hero.
Well Reopened: O_o totally not fluff. Only useful in a sitelock deck, but VERY useful in a sitelock deck.
Consuming Fire: Yep.
Martha: Not fluff at all. D2 with Gifts, search for the Luke fort and put in play, and useful for Abom. Just not as good as some.

My fluff list:
Asa's Good Reign
Joseph of Arimathea
Consuming Fire
Zadook Anoints Solomon

1:15 fluff ratio isn't bad. Especially considering how fluffy Kings, AW, Priests, Patriarchs, RoA, FoOF, Warriors, WotB, and Prophets were. Wait...that's every other expansion. TxP is by far the least fluffy, and even on it's own, 4 fluff cards in 60 is an amazing ratio.

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #16 on:** July 28, 2010, 08:39:54 AM »

Asa has saved me against Assyrians more times than I can count in Type 2...Axe has tore up multiple fortresses with my wife's Babylonians. Consuming Fire..I still don't think I quite understand how that card works...its seems stronger than it is...

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #17 on:** July 28, 2010, 08:50:31 AM »

I have actually used Consuming Fire in a deck. It was a FBTN Warrior-class banding deck. I wanted to have a way to negate WC characters in an emergency. I don't think I ever actually used that deck, but there's one use I can think of for that card, just so we don't think it's totally worthless.

crustpope · « **Reply #18 on:** July 28, 2010, 11:38:28 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on July 28, 2010, 08:50:31 AM

I have actually used Consuming Fire in a deck. It was a FBTN Warrior-class banding deck. I wanted to have a way to negate WC characters in an emergency. I don't think I ever actually used that deck, but there's one use I can think of for that card, just so we don't think it's totally worthless.

Exactly. You have a big angel, like gabe, they have a wc with horsies. You play consuming fire and they cannot play their horsies because you prevent them This could enable you to have a chance to play an enhancement, especially with Angels sword.

Same thing with Asa's good reign, a little bit of CBN immunity never hurt anyone...except your opponent.

Jospeh of Aramithea searches for TGT or Burial shroud. If you want to ignore go and get TGT, if you want to hold off Your Opponent, then get BS. Either way, he searches, thins your deck and has great #'s for initiative. I am not seeing the problem here...

Zadok annoints solomo works really well in my prophets and priest deck..especially since I have two priests who can play green (three if z temple is up)

Sure there are cards better than other cards but I honeslty dont see any "fluff" in the set.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #19 on:** July 28, 2010, 06:13:42 PM »

Consuming Fire is actually rather useful IMO. I used it twice in a T2 Multi game to get around my opponent's Uzzah (which he had in hand and I saw with Urim and Thummim). Also, like Crustpope said, it's a nice way to get around Horses. I would never use it in a T1 deck, but it's T2 potential makes it rather un-fluffy IMO.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #20 on:** July 28, 2010, 08:20:07 PM »

Humn, I wasn't really considering T2. That cuts the fluff down to 1 or 2 cards (I will fight you on Zadook no matter what type, it's not a good card).

crustpope · « **Reply #21 on:** July 28, 2010, 08:27:12 PM »

it loves speed decks. I get to seach for a good card with a brigade other than teal...and all those set asides have a brigade other than teal...so I can territory class search for them and then play them.

fight away!

I will admit it has limited uses, but it is not useless. I consider fluff to be anything useless (0/2 buckler comes to mind)

nothing is useless in tep

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #22 on:** July 28, 2010, 08:39:22 PM »

I think the key to a successfully designed set is to give the players the cards they want, I can't stand buying Apostles when the commons are useless and much of the time my rare is 4 Squads of 4 or Casting Lots. So I say cut down on the fluff in expansions, even though TexP was a good set, I wasn't fond of only getting 2 new cards (However I will say some of the rares I got were good).

As for TexP Fluff, I can't see myself ever using consuming fire, but the other cards I think all have their use. I would much rather had consuming fire do something like "Discard all evil enhancements in play" or something somewhat useful, But my Strong Angels do a much better job or negating characters and weapons.

But Judah can recur your 1/1 Genesis enhancements can't be negated character, Joseph of Arimathea can search out the best stall card in the game. Asa's good reign makes it much more difficult for your opponent to get around Throne of David, because if they block with a character holding a weapon you will be immune. Martha is good in combo with Abom, Gifts of the Magi, and its good if you can make sure your draw 1 is better than your opponents draw 1, and she generates lost souls. Axe is ok. And Well Reopened is good because it can recur a site, or it can replace itself (draw one without any cost associated with it, like having initiative or even being in battle)

Professoralstad · « **Reply #23 on:** July 29, 2010, 01:35:41 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 28, 2010, 08:20:07 PM

Humn, I wasn't really considering T2. That cuts the fluff down to 1 or 2 cards (I will fight you on Zadook no matter what type, it's not a good card).

There is a certain card in Disciples that I predict will make Zadok Anoints Solomon unbelievably useful. So while I may agree it has limited uses currently, because of the Tabernacle Priest requirement (the only one anyone currently uses in a multicolor offense is Phinehas), it will help to find the other half of one of what is sure to be one of the more popular combos in the near future.

As to Asa's Good Reign: My Fallen Warrior + Bringing Fear + Wrath of Satan combo says hi. Asa's Good Reign is like Miraculous Handkerchiefs/Josiah's Covenant, but doesn't take up an Art slot. But I agree that it is highly situational. Probably the fluffiest TxP that I can think of, but it's not complete fluff.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #24 on:** July 30, 2010, 01:05:48 AM »

Asa's reign is pretty good if you run it with 3 nails. That means no annoying horsies hurting you cept with wonders/forgotten his/end the battle cards. I really can't think of any fluff in TEXP, Zadok is the closest but thats just due to lack of tabby priests. I am SURE that will be rectified soon.

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