Author Topic: The Spread Offense (Read 4029 times)

SoulSaver · « **on:** December 11, 2008, 02:15:13 PM »

Cards:50

Lost Souls:8
hopper
Revealer
Shuffler
2-liner
NT only
Women only
Exchanger
1st round protect

Doms: 9
HT
AotL
SoG
NJ
Guardian
FA
Burial
CM
Destruction

Artifacts/Curses:6
Cov with David
Cov with Moses
I am Salvation
Captured Ark
HoH
Burial Shroud

Site:7
The Tree of Knowledge x5
Promised Land
New Jerusalem

Blue Hero:3
Claudia
Tribal Elder
Helez

Red Hero:6
Abishai
Mentor
Men of Judah
Army of Simeonites
Celeb
Heldia

White Hero:1
Maharia (Ki)

Silver Hero:1
Seraphim (The one that Bands to Blue)

Green Hero:1
Armor Bearer

Gold Hero:1
Israelite Archer

Teal Hero:1
Priests of Christ

Silver Hero:1
The Strong Angel (Ki)

Multi colored Hero:2
Soldier of God (Promo)
Faithful Servant (Promo)

Evil Characters:3
Uzzah
Sabbath Breaker
Malchus

What do ya think? Suggestions or comments on how to make this deck better are more than welcomed!

lightningninja · « **Reply #1 on:** December 11, 2008, 02:40:35 PM »

faithful servent seems kind of out of place.... and I think you can take out the big bad red chain of guys. I'd stick with your negate theme going on, so take out all of your red heroes, soldier of god, faithful servent, and then throw in 3-4 more multi-enhancements, and perhaps a provisions to throw on Benaiah. I placed 1st in the last State tournament with a fbtn deck, and trust me, you want to focus solely on negating. Also, take out uzzah, a few of your arts, any heroes who don't band or negate or both, and put in some defense, preferably gray stalling. You have a good chance of winning before them even without a defense, because any hero you draw you can support with any enhancement(due to almost all of them being multi), but a good stall defense will boost it up.

Raise it to 56 so that you have six more cards that you can draw that won't be a ls for your opponenet's to rescue. The amelikit'es slaves are a must have for this deck. With the remaining cards, build a defense. It helps.

EDIT: here'es my recommendations.

Out:
both covs, I am salvation, HOH(kind of kills you), tree of knowledgex5, Claudia, Tribal Elder, All 5 red hereoes other than heldai, armor bearer, poc, Solder of God, Faithful Servent, Uzzah.

In:
Captain of the Host
Chariot of Fire
Benaiah
Provisions
6 multi-colored enhancements
and 16 defensive cards(preferably gray)

Gabe · « **Reply #2 on:** December 11, 2008, 03:17:32 PM »

Your advice is solid. It fits nicely with your play style, which obviously wins but... most of it is in direct opposition to SoulSaver's style of play and what he's trying to do with this deck.

lightningninja · « **Reply #3 on:** December 11, 2008, 03:20:46 PM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on December 11, 2008, 03:17:32 PM

Your advice is solid. It fits nicely with your play style, which obviously wins but... most of it is in direct opposition to SoulSaver's style of play and what he's trying to do with this deck.

I see your point. However, I still don't see how a faithful servent can win with no enhancemetns.

Gabe · « **Reply #4 on:** December 11, 2008, 03:29:27 PM »

Quote from: fireninja on December 11, 2008, 03:20:46 PM

I see your point. However, I still don't see how a faithful servent can win with no enhancemetns.

You obviously don't understand how totally awesome the Faithful Servant promo is then!

j/k

amelo · « **Reply #5 on:** December 11, 2008, 03:36:26 PM »

Yeah, I'm not too sure about how much the NT band helps out all that much. The most NT heroes you could band in is just 4, and they can be easily killed because of no enhancements to back them up. I think it might be better if you just focused on OT warrior class FBTN banding

lightningninja · « **Reply #6 on:** December 11, 2008, 03:36:42 PM »

if this deck hit Roman's Destroy Jerusalem... self capture... heroless.... defense heavy... it would be toast. Which is why I am saying to add a little more negate and A little less banding... he can keep no defense, and fifty cards, but take out a few more cards for a few more fbtn characters and enhancemetns... maybe Abe's servent to Ur?

DaClock · « **Reply #7 on:** December 11, 2008, 04:38:59 PM »

The Amalekites Slave or Malchus would work well. Maybe for one of your sites? Sog/NJ/Burial leaves you with 4 ls so you should only need 4 sites.

soul seeker · « **Reply #8 on:** December 11, 2008, 08:18:36 PM »

I normally don't give deck advice because of my noobiness, but I think your deck would really benefit from 2 cards.

Zebulun (since most of your cards can be laid into play, therefore emptying your hand)
+ I believe a couple of your cards can band to Zebby
and a protect Art.....like Josiah's covenant or Altar of Incense

but then again I'm a noob!

Gabe · « **Reply #9 on:** December 11, 2008, 08:45:34 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on December 11, 2008, 08:18:36 PM

but then again I'm a noob!

A n00b that won the online tournament...

...Zebby only works if your Heroes are Genesis Heroes though. Not such a good idea for a deck full of non-Genesis Heroes.

soul seeker · « **Reply #10 on:** December 12, 2008, 12:11:02 PM »

I told you I was a noob...I forgot about that little addition.

as for online tournament: "Noob with an online tourney win. (How did that happen?)"

galadgawyn · « **Reply #11 on:** December 12, 2008, 06:46:55 PM »

Why 50 cards? I would assume that it is because you want to draw this deck as fast as possible but if you do the math I think you'll find that you draw a 52 card deck in the same amount of turns.

50-8 = 42 counting Hopper you have 42 cards to draw and the progression of drawing is: 8 11 14 17 20 23 26 29 32 35 38 41 44 so you'll get your last card on the same turn I get my last 3 cards. I may have mentioned this elsewhere but I just can't figure out why people are sticking to 50 card decks. If you use and play Amelekite's Slave then you only have to draw 41 but otherwise?

I would like to see Battle Cry, Jehoidia's Strength, and Deborah's Directive added in. A couple heros to support those would be helpful. Teal has plenty of great choices but Ezra or Joshua stand out to me. For gold I would add Simeon and then would want to add Jacob and Captain. Then I think you can afford to take out Tribal Elder and Armorbearer; their banding will be negated by the bbtn guys. Also take out The Strong Angel; only 1 guy to band to him.

I personally don't see the value in a speed deck having Burial Shroud. I also really question the effectiveness of the sites. I think you could use a little more delay in the defense. In my experience with speedy decks, you'll have a real problem if your opponent has some lost soul drought (which seems to happen to me a lot).

Instead of sites: King Zed, Dungeon, Amelekites Slave, Great Mourning. That could buy you a turn or two and add lost souls to rescue. I would also try to fit the anti-burial lost soul in.

I think that all adds up.

an alternative idea, not really banding but helpful to the deck: A New Beginning and a couple ways to play it. You'll probably have the advantage in starting over with a heavy offense like this.

MichaelHue · « **Reply #12 on:** December 12, 2008, 07:21:13 PM »

Quote from: galadgawyn on December 12, 2008, 06:46:55 PM

Why 50 cards? I would assume that it is because you want to draw this deck as fast as possible but if you do the math I think you'll find that you draw a 52 card deck in the same amount of turns.

50-8 = 42 counting Hopper you have 42 cards to draw and the progression of drawing is: 8 11 14 17 20 23 26 29 32 35 38 41 44 so you'll get your last card on the same turn I get my last 3 cards. I may have mentioned this elsewhere but I just can't figure out why people are sticking to 50 card decks. If you use and play Amelekite's Slave then you only have to draw 41 but otherwise?

This point is flawed, because you started with the premise that you have to draw 42 more cards, but started your count to 42 at 8. Also, Lost Souls mess up the count, as you draw a new card when you pick up one. 50 card decks are 6 cards faster than 56 card decks.

(I still can't build them though.)

**edit** My bad, I misunderstood where you were going with this. I thought the starting 8 cards were the original draw, but they were the lost souls. So it should be:
8 ls
8 opening draw
19, 22, 25, 28, 31, 34, 37, 40, 43, 46, 49, 50
in a 50 card deck

and 8 ls
8 opening draw
19, 22, 25, 28, 31, 34, 37, 40, 43, 46, 49, 52, 55, 56

For a 56 card deck. 50 card decks are two turns faster, apart from all the probability issues of when you'll draw the cards you need.

galadgawyn · « **Reply #13 on:** December 12, 2008, 09:56:08 PM »

Yeah, you got it.

Ok, your count shows you getting to 50 and 52 on the same turn. I understand that a 50 card deck is two turns faster than 56 but how is it faster than 52? A 52 card deck is also 2 turns faster than 56.

SoulSaver · « **Reply #14 on:** December 13, 2008, 08:34:22 PM »

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Your advice is solid. It fits nicely with your play style, which obviously wins but... most of it is in direct opposition to SoulSaver's style of play and what he's trying to do with this deck.

You are absolutely right! This deck's main strategy is banding.

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The Amalekites Slave or Malchus would work well. Maybe for one of your sites? Sog/NJ/Burial leaves you with 4 ls so you should only need 4 sites.

That's great advice! I'll fit Malchus in if it kills me, with this deck your opponent can never have enough lost souls.

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if this deck hit Roman's Destroy Jerusalem... self capture... heroless.... defense heavy... it would be toast. Which is why I am saying to add a little more negate and A little less banding... he can keep no defense, and fifty cards, but take out a few more cards for a few more fbtn characters and enhancemetns... maybe Abe's servent to Ur?

I thought the same thing. I didn't think this deck could beat a defensive deck, but to my surprise each one of these decks couldn't handle all the heroes in the first few turns. And one time I gave a beat down on a self capture deck, 5-1. (It almost made me cry)

I might add Abe's Servant.

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Yeah, I'm not too sure about how much the NT band helps out all that much. The most NT heroes you could band in is just 4, and they can be easily killed because of no enhancements to back them up. I think it might be better if you just focused on OT warrior class FBTN banding

I'm trying to fix the NT banding up a bit, it's critical for me to have NT heroes for Soul and site access.

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I personally don't see the value in a speed deck having Burial Shroud. I also really question the effectiveness of the sites. I think you could use a little more delay in the defense. In my experience with speedy decks, you'll have a real problem if your opponent has some lost soul drought (which seems to happen to me a lot).

BS can benefit me a lot, it can buy me time to get my banding hero's out that I need to overwhelm you. That's a good question about the sites, I myself questioned them until I found that in the first few turns it's really hard for my opponent to get access, which gives me a turn or two edge that I need to get a win. I'm no longer a skeptic about sites for a short game, I don't think sites are a good idea for a long game though.

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Why 50 cards? I would assume that it is because you want to draw this deck as fast as possible but if you do the math I think you'll find that you draw a 52 card deck in the same amount of turns.

Mainly its just preference, every extra card is in the way of me getting my precious Son of God.

Oh, and about Faithful Servant, Soldier of God, Claudia, Mentor can band to him plus his special ability makes it so that my opponent can't bury or get rid of their lost souls with shuffler. And lets not forget that he's purple/white/green.

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