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has anyone used this in a high-level deck yet?  has it been effective?  to me it seems like a big cost to pay to get a lost soul that can't win you the game...

I think a lot of the rescue a soul cards have mega potential

Does this work with widows tables? pretty sure you could double rescue with eternal inheritance and toss in a Christ's triumph for a finisher which could be something like 3 souls I know there is a mega combo winding up with these somehow

Keep in mind if you use an enhancement to rescue a soul or the hero they do fail their rescue attempt which allows you to use Christ's triumph

I think a lot of the rescue a soul cards have mega potential

Does this work with widows tables? pretty sure you could double rescue with eternal inheritance and toss in a Christ's triumph for a finisher which could be something like 3 souls I know there is a mega combo winding up with these somehow

Keep in mind if you use an enhancement to rescue a soul or the hero they do fail their rescue attempt which allows you to use Christ's triumph

How are you getting a Hero in battle after playing Sow?

Oh I didn't recognize that card name, I see the idea now. I still am not sure how that would do anything since if you play EI first you don't fail a rescue because the battle is a battle challenge not a rescue and if you play SRR first then your Hero is chilling in your LoR and can't exactly go back out to battle.

Considering that there is no minimum number of cards to discard (like with Primary Objective), I think this card has potential in the right type of deck. A character-heavy deck might only have to sacrifice 2-3 cards if you can play it at the right time.

Combine that with a couple defensive artifacts like Writ, Charms, HHI, etc and you'll even have some blocking options for the opponent's turn.

According to the Sinning Hand ruling, you can discard a hand of zero cards.

The ultimate goal is to have things defined such that rulings can be deduced and questions answered from definitions rather than just having a huge list of rulings.

If we look at the REG entry for hand we have this:

A player’s hand is where a player holds all of the cards that are not in their deck or discard pile but have not been played.

Since it does state that a player must be holding a card to have a hand, we can deduce that the "hand" is a location and therefore it exists even if there are zero cards in it (likewise, your deck is still your deck even if it has zero cards at a given moment). As such, you can discard a hand with zero cards to satisfy SR&R.

That being said, it was probably not the best idea for me to reference the "Sinning Hand ruling" instead of laying out why the Sinning Hand ruling was made. 

It says "fewer redeemed souls than your opponent." Does zero redeemed souls qualify as "fewer" if your opponent has one redeemed soul, or do you need at least one redeemed soul (and your opponent has two or more) for it to qualify?

This played on Thomas or John the Apoc. would be excellent against cards like Gams Speech and Kinsmen's Agreement.

Quote from: Watchman492 on May 18, 2017, 06:30:58 PM

It says "fewer redeemed souls than your opponent." Does zero redeemed souls qualify as "fewer" if your opponent has one redeemed soul, or do you need at least one redeemed soul (and your opponent has two or more) for it to qualify?

This played on Thomas or John the Apoc. would be excellent against cards like Gams Speech and Kinsmen's Agreement.

0 is fewer than 1, yes. I've seen Grapes played plenty of times with 0 redeemed souls.

Grapes is worded differently than Sow. I've played Grapes if it's tied or if I have zero souls and my opponent has zero souls as well, but with Sow it says "fewer redeemed souls than your opponent" vs Grapes "doesn't have the most redeemed souls." Sow would not work if it was a tie whereas Grapes would.

So did we ever find out if Grapes of Wrath can be played with 0 lost souls or a tie?

It can be played and you may begin a new rescue because nobody has the most.