Author Topic: My attempted Genisis/Brown deck (Read 4655 times)

alpal455 · « **on:** February 21, 2012, 06:59:02 PM »

I have it at 56 cards now and I think I want it between 56-50.

8 LSs
Negater
NT only
NT shuffler
Shuffler
Hopper
2-liner
Wanderer
Revealer

10 Dominants
GoYS
AotL
SoG
NJ
Grapes
CM
FA
DoN
Mayhem
Burial

3 Artifact
Unholy Writ
Chariot of Fire
Stone Pillar at Bethel

1 Curse
Rain Becomes Dust

4 Sites
4x Samaria

2 Fortress
Gates of Samaria
Haman's Gallows

7 Good Characters
Benjamin
Joseph
Rachel
Jacob
Zebulun
Asher
Judah

6 Good Enhancements
Answer to Prayer
7 years of Plenty
Joseph before Pharoh
Forgiveness of Joseph
Reuben's Torn Clothes
Well Reopened

8 ECs
Uzzah
King Ahab
Jezebel
King Omri
King Joram
King Zedikiah
Gomer
Foul Spirit

7 Evil Enhancements
Dungeons of Malichiah
Shimei's Malicious Curse
Wickedness Abounds
Gibeonite Trickery
Haman's Plot
Breaking Jerusalem's Walls
Wickedness of the Tenant

All advice would be appreciated!

lp670sv · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2012, 07:09:40 PM »

well for starters, unless I'm missing something, you have Uzzah in your deck but no artifacts so throwing in one or two of those would be a good way to start off

alpal455 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2012, 07:35:53 PM »

I guess that would be a good thing to do.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2012, 07:48:24 PM »

I saw something about a maximum of 4 of the same card in a deck so I think you can only have 4 Samaria's. Someone will confirm this or tell me that I'm wrong so you'll know soon.

Drrek · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2012, 08:13:34 PM »

Quote from: Jmbeers on February 21, 2012, 07:48:24 PM

I saw something about a maximum of 4 of the same card in a deck so I think you can only have 4 Samaria's. Someone will confirm this or tell me that I'm wrong so you'll know soon.

That's in type II, I believe you can have as many non-SA sites in a type I deck as lost souls.

Red Wing · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2012, 08:54:34 PM »

Quote from: Drrek on February 21, 2012, 08:13:34 PM

Quote from: Jmbeers on February 21, 2012, 07:48:24 PM
I saw something about a maximum of 4 of the same card in a deck so I think you can only have 4 Samaria's. Someone will confirm this or tell me that I'm wrong so you'll know soon.

That's in type II, I believe you can have as many non-SA sites in a type I deck as lost souls.

Drrek is correct.

When I played with Gates of Samaria, I found that 3-4 Samarias were sufficient. With only three arts for Uzzah, I'd drop x1Samaria for an artifact. I'd also try to cut at least 3 Evil enhancements.

Nameless · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:40:32 AM »

In this deck are you trying to play turtle, speed, or balanced?

Arrthoa · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:23:15 AM »

With Hopper in there you really don't need a Harvest Time, since Hopper does the exact same thing in a way but without the requirement of your opponent having no Lost Souls. That's just my opinion

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:32:35 AM »

Quote from: Nameless on February 22, 2012, 08:40:32 AM

In this deck are you trying to you turtle, speed, or balanced?

Yes.

Nameless · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2012, 05:21:41 PM »

Quote from: Arrthoa on February 22, 2012, 09:23:15 AM

With Hopper in there you really don't need a Harvest Time, since Hopper does the exact same thing in a way but without the requirement of your opponent having no Lost Souls. That's just my opinion

I would keep them both because if your opponent plays Burial on there only Ls you can play HT and get a soul for you to rescue.

Red Wing · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2012, 05:24:33 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on February 22, 2012, 05:21:41 PM

Quote from: Arrthoa on February 22, 2012, 09:23:15 AM
With Hopper in there you really don't need a Harvest Time, since Hopper does the exact same thing in a way but without the requirement of your opponent having no Lost Souls. That's just my opinion
I would keep them both because if your opponent plays Burial on there only Ls you can play HT and get a soul for you to rescue.

In a Speed deck, I agree, Hopper & HT are great, but in a more balanced/defense heavy deck, one should be fine.

Definitely needs a Reuben's Torn Clothes.

cardsofmanykinds · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2012, 05:26:04 PM »

you should probobly put in reubens torn clothes and asher or zebulan

alpal455 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 23, 2012, 03:00:51 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on February 22, 2012, 08:40:32 AM

In this deck are you trying to play turtle, speed, or balanced?

I wanted to try to get probably more of in between balanced and speed.

And I also really need to cut down on Evil Enhancements, does anyone have any suggestions on what ones to take out?

Red Wing · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2012, 03:16:43 PM »

I'd cut Stiff Necked and Korah's Rebellion or Taking Naboth's Vineyard. I'd also add Plagued with Diseases. It helps your decrease theme, and gives you something else to discard for Uzzah.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2012, 03:16:59 PM »

EDIT AGAIN: I just read you above post that you want it between balanced and speed. In that case I would actually out Korah's Rebellion, Taking Naboth's Vineyard, and a Samaria. This would leave you deck at 50. Then I would add Judah for 51.

If you want to go up to 56 add Gomer, Foul Spirit, and Judah. Then take out Taking Naboth's vineyard for Angel at Shur.

alpal455 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2012, 05:55:54 PM »

Thanks so much for the advice that you guys have given me, I really appreciate all of it, and even more advice would be appreciated to!

Wings of Music · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2012, 06:05:45 PM »

Looking at the deck as is (with well and stone pillar added) I think that Judah and Gomer would be good. Then perhaps switch out Korah's rebellion for Foul Spirit.

Nameless · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2012, 06:13:07 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on February 22, 2012, 09:32:35 AM

Quote from: Nameless on February 22, 2012, 08:40:32 AM
In this deck are you trying to you turtle, speed, or balanced?

Yes.

That is not a yes or no question.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2012, 06:14:13 PM »

I have a hunch that Alex knew that.

Moving back on deck, I think it needs another hero (I know I've thrown out a lot of ideas but when I made my last post I thought my suggestions would get you up to 56, turns out they only got you to 55

)

Personally I would do Angel at Shur, but it might be good to squeeze in a Simeon + Levi band somehow. But I'm not positive as to what I would cut to fit them both though...

alpal455 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:33:45 PM »

Would Abraham's Descendants be worth putting in my deck?

Wings of Music · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:37:52 PM »

No, I wouldn't say so, as per my newly edited post (I edit a lot

) I would say it needs another hero, not an enhancement.

Abe's kid is nice but you already have Asher for recursion, plus Zeb for endgame battle winning.

Nameless · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:46:48 PM »

He should still have Abe's kid, what if his Asher is discarded or he does not draw it.

cardsofmanykinds · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:53:06 PM »

CoF will get asher back and genesis is good with searching

Red Wing · « **Reply #23 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:55:29 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on February 23, 2012, 07:46:48 PM

He should still have Abe's kid, what if his Asher is discarded or he does not draw it.

I could go either way on it. It could benefit you, so I guess you could try it out.

I like the look of the deck, however, you may have trouble against speed. Some sort of anti-drawing/searching could help. Maybe a Rain Becomes Dust, or a Darius's Decree, or something. Have you faced a speed deck and been able to do well?

Wings of Music · « **Reply #24 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:00:13 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on February 23, 2012, 07:46:48 PM

He should still have Abe's kid, what if his Asher is discarded or he does not draw it.

I still don't think it's necessary, he's already got Zeb if has a lack of enhancements. In addition to the point that cards made.

Quote from: Red Wing on February 23, 2012, 07:55:29 PM

I like the look of the deck, however, you may have trouble against speed. Some sort of anti-drawing/searching could help. Maybe a Rain Becomes Dust, or a Darius's Decree, or something. Have you faced a speed deck and been able to do well?

I like this idea RBD could be really good. Pigs should also go in I would put it in for the negater.

Red Wing · « **Reply #25 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:04:32 PM »

Pigs LS would stop 7 yrs. of Plenty & Well Reopened though…

Wings of Music · « **Reply #26 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:07:28 PM »

Oh that's true, Didn't think about 7years. Maybe put in Wickedness abounds for the defense then, that would be a +4. It would probably be best to take out Stiff-necked for it.

Red Wing · « **Reply #27 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:14:34 PM »

Quote from: Wings of Music on February 23, 2012, 08:07:28 PM

Oh that's true, Didn't think about 7years. Maybe put in Wickedness abounds for the defense then, that would be a +4. It would probably be best to take out Stiff-necked for it.

Dungeon of Malchiah could also be worthy of consideration, seeing as it's CBN on King Zed.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #28 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:22:36 PM »

Perhaps, but what would he take out? Shimei's malicious curse maybe? I hesitate on that one though because it works well with Ahab's big numbers.

On the issue of RBD, maybe take out Stone Pillar at Bethel for it? (I know I know I suggested stone pillar in the first place...)

So Apal if you go with what redwing and I are thinking so far, you may want to out stone pillar, stiff necked, and Shimei's curse for RBD, wickedness abounds, and dungeon.

Drrek · « **Reply #29 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:23:21 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on February 23, 2012, 06:13:07 PM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on February 22, 2012, 09:32:35 AM
Quote from: Nameless on February 22, 2012, 08:40:32 AM
In this deck are you trying to you turtle, speed, or balanced?

Yes.
That is not a yes or no question.

Technically it is. Yes can be a correct answer, as in "yes, my answer is one or more of those."

Red Wing · « **Reply #30 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:32:59 PM »

Quote from: Wings of Music on February 23, 2012, 08:22:36 PM

Perhaps, but what would he take out? Shimei's malicious curse maybe? I hesitate on that one though because it works well with Ahab's big numbers.

On the issue of RBD, maybe take out Stone Pillar at Bethel for it? (I know I know I suggested stone pillar in the first place...)

So Apal if you go with what redwing and I are thinking so far, you may want to out stone pillar, stiff necked, and Shimei's curse for RBD, wickedness abounds, and dungeon.

I like Dungeon because it's a battle winner, can be made CBN, and not as situational Wickedness abounds. But there are counters (Tassels, Caves, Bart, Z-Temple, ect.), so I'd actually take out Lampstand instead of Shimei's curse. Also, since it's not a speed deck, HT could probably go too, depending on how useful you find it. That way you could keep Stone Pillar @ Bethel.

But I don't know your local meta, so if Tassels is big in your area, Dungeon probably won't do much

.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #31 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:41:33 PM »

Actually taking out lampy and HT is a good idea (a + 1 to you Red Wing). Because if you leave in dungeon it's going to generate you a lost soul too. So there you have it. And this way you can have wickedness abounds in there too.

IN: RBD, Wickedness abounds, Dungeon

OUT: Lampy, HT, Stiff necked.

alpal455 · « **Reply #32 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:46:25 PM »

That sounds good!

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #33 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:47:15 PM »

To add my opinion, the number of Genesis offenses I would use without including Abe's Kids is zero. One of if not the biggest threats to Genesis offenses is mounted EC's, and Abe's Kids neatly sidesteps that while letting you get back another CBN battle winner.

cardsofmanykinds · « **Reply #34 on:** February 25, 2012, 01:40:00 PM »

Quote from: Wings of Music on February 23, 2012, 08:41:33 PM

IN: RBD, Wickedness abounds, Dungeon

OUT: Lampy, HT, Stiff necked.

do you mean wickedness in the tenants?

Wings of Music · « **Reply #35 on:** February 25, 2012, 01:48:18 PM »

Quote from: cardsofmanykinds on February 25, 2012, 01:40:00 PM

do you mean wickedness in the tenants?

Nope, I don't. He already has wickedness of the tenants. Wickedness abounds is a D4 for his defense. On the issue of Abe's Kid, it would be reasonable to add it in for any one of the three cards I mentioned. I personally don't find it as useful as some other options but I definitely see where it would be helpful.

cardsofmanykinds · « **Reply #36 on:** February 25, 2012, 01:57:32 PM »

ah i didnt see that

alpal455 · « **Reply #37 on:** February 25, 2012, 02:59:24 PM »

I will play with the deck a few times and if I think that I should put Abe's Kid in I will.

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Author Topic: My attempted Genisis/Brown deck (Read 4655 times)