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Judges + Demon/Magician deck
« on: May 11, 2016, 12:17:15 PM »
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A deck with two classic themes: Judges and Demon/Magicians.
I made this deck as a playtest deck against my other decks, then figured out that it could be used as a decent regular deck. Should I cut it to about 50 cards? If yes, what should I cut out?

Doms
Guardian
SoG
NJ
AotL
CM
VP
Burial

LS
2-liner
Shuffler
Resurrection
Retribution
FBTN
Shame
Punisher

Sites
Dragonraid

Heroes
AUTO
Angel @ Shur
AWTSN
Gideon
Ehud
Samuel
Jair
Jephthah

GE’s
Edict
Provisions
Directive
Capturing Canaan
Sword Against Sword

EC’s
King Manasseh
The Serpent
Enchanter
SoT
The Judean Mediums
Elymas
Messenger
Egyptian Magicians
Evil Spawn

EE’s
Forgotten History
Disuading Speech
DOU
Invoking Terror
SSS
Worshipping Demons
Sinning Hand
Mist
Confusion
Divination
King’s Pomp
Ashtaraoth Worship (this and King’s Pomp are mostly just anti-AoG and Watchful Servant decks)

Arts
Chariot
Shrine
HHI
Charms
Covenant of Palestine

Fortresses
Wall of Protection
Gates of Jerusalem

Some of the offensive combos are:
Angel @ Shur so that once I draw into either AUTO or Gideon I can pull out the other and have infinite AUTO + Gideon, with AotL and Edict for backup.
AWTSN to Ehud to CtB for initiative, then CBN Judges enhancement.
AWTSN to Ehud for CtB then CBN Directive to Jephthah with CBN discard.
Ehud for CtB initiative, then play Sword Against Sword. Use Messenger of Satan to band to their banding defense then SSS, or Messenger to King Manasseh with 2k horses with Gates of Jerusalem in territory to draw at least four, then Manasseh to SoT who underdecks Forgotten History to Egyptian Magicians who adds it to battle.

Some defensive combos are:
If they play SoG early, give half 2-liner. SSS. Half 2-liner. DOU. Half 2-liner. Shuffler LS, etc.
If they wait, VP + Confusion = No SoG

I have one ruling question; in what order do the abilities for characters banded to King Manasseh with 2k horses activate? For example, I block with King Manasseh; can he band to Elymas and then play DOU, and be protected?

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Re: Judges + Demon/Magician deck
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2016, 12:36:16 PM »
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I have one ruling question; in what order do the abilities for characters banded to King Manasseh with 2k horses activate? For example, I block with King Manasseh; can he band to Elymas and then play DOU, and be protected?

I think that all character abilities would activate first in the order played, so King Manasseh, then Elymas, then 2K horses.
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Re: Judges + Demon/Magician deck
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2016, 05:11:37 PM »
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Something to think about cutting out would be your evil enhacements, the reason being you want your character:enhancement ratio to be 1:1. It's alright to have more characters than enhancements but not vice versa.

The enhacements you want to take out are ones that can be negated or aren't very versatile, a example would be a EE that  only targets priests or a specific brigade that is not common.
I hope this helps.

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Re: Judges + Demon/Magician deck
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2016, 05:34:27 PM »
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I have one ruling question; in what order do the abilities for characters banded to King Manasseh with 2k horses activate? For example, I block with King Manasseh; can he band to Elymas and then play DOU, and be protected?

I think that all character abilities would activate first in the order played, so King Manasseh, then Elymas, then 2K horses.

Actually, weapons activate before band abilities on characters, so it would be Manasseh, 2k horses then Elymas.

How it works is that a card's ability activates when it enters battle, except any band ability on the card, then gained abilities and weapons activate, then you get to complete the band.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2016, 06:55:41 PM by kram1138 »
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Re: Judges + Demon/Magician deck
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2016, 05:53:58 PM »
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This is the reason that revolt doesn't work as intended. It is ITB, band ECs into battle then set them aside. Because band abilities activate after all the other abilities, the ECs can't band until after the set aside finishes.

Everything you explained was true until you mentioned Revolt.  There is justification for it to work as written and that's how it's currently being played. I'm afraid you're muddying the waters by bringing up a card that's awaiting an official ruling. Expect something before Cloud of Witnesses releases.
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Re: Judges + Demon/Magician deck
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2016, 06:56:34 PM »
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Ah, I must have missed some of that revolt discussion. Thanks for the clarification
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