Author Topic: Is 50 cards a must in t1 anymore? (Read 6143 times)

jbeers285 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 15, 2015, 07:52:38 PM »

RMG is clearly dead

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #26 on:** January 15, 2015, 08:03:30 PM »

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #27 on:** January 15, 2015, 09:32:55 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 15, 2015, 07:52:38 PM

R is clearly dead

jbeers285 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 15, 2015, 11:11:18 PM »

2 new releases of cards, lackey plug in, and no clear meta in T1 or T2 and a ton of board action during the dead season all in the last 6 months begs to differ.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #29 on:** January 15, 2015, 11:19:27 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 15, 2015, 11:11:18 PM

2 new releases of cards, lackey plug in, and no clear meta in T1 or T2 and a ton of board action during the dead season all in the last 6 months begs to differ.

I'm not going to derail the thread any further. If Alex and I thought Redemption was worth investing time into, we would. At least, I would.

The Guardian · « **Reply #30 on:** January 15, 2015, 11:57:00 PM »

Everyone needs a break now and then, you'll be back...

LukeChips · « **Reply #31 on:** January 16, 2015, 10:10:42 AM »

I sent an hour yesterday trying to get my deck down to 50, but the best I could do was 53... $:-\$

Redoubter · « **Reply #32 on:** January 16, 2015, 10:51:55 AM »

Quote from: LukeChips on January 16, 2015, 10:10:42 AM

I sent an hour yesterday trying to get my deck down to 50, but the best I could do was 53... $:-\$

Then leave it at 53

Play with it for awhile, and any cuts will be pretty obvious to you based on you never using them. Otherwise, if it works, then it works for you.

LukeChips · « **Reply #33 on:** January 16, 2015, 11:00:46 AM »

Quote from: Redoubter on January 16, 2015, 10:51:55 AM

Quote from: LukeChips on January 16, 2015, 10:10:42 AM
I sent an hour yesterday trying to get my deck down to 50, but the best I could do was 53... $:-\$

Then leave it at 53 Play with it for awhile, and any cuts will be pretty obvious to you based on you never using them. Otherwise, if it works, then it works for you.

Ok, it's a deck based off Raiders' Camp and Jerusalem Clay teamwork, I haven't play tested it a lot so I will have to see what works.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #34 on:** January 16, 2015, 11:37:23 AM »

I will absolutely derail this thread more once I get off work. People should know why I don't intend on ever playing in a meaningful way ever again.

Redoubter · « **Reply #35 on:** January 16, 2015, 12:25:15 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 16, 2015, 11:37:23 AM

I will absolutely derail this thread more once I get off work. People should know why I don't intend on ever playing in a meaningful way ever again.

Why not just make another thread...like the last few times those threads have been made

Leave this thread to discussions about deck size in T1.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #36 on:** January 16, 2015, 02:49:37 PM »

For the record always make the deck as small as you can.

LukeChips · « **Reply #37 on:** January 16, 2015, 03:30:00 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 16, 2015, 02:49:37 PM

For the record always make the deck as small as you can.

Ok, I will try.

czepp · « **Reply #38 on:** January 23, 2015, 07:10:54 AM »

I think that the deck size is increasing with TEC released. I remember when Disciples first came out and the biggest thing was decking out as fast as you can to win the game. One game particularly that comes to mind is when I went up against Randall back in 2011 at Creation fest, and he decked out within 5 turns. These new decks are more balanced, and I think we'll see a lot more TO games this year.

LukeChips · « **Reply #39 on:** January 23, 2015, 10:34:33 AM »

Quote from: czepp on January 23, 2015, 07:10:54 AM

I think that the deck size is increasing with TEC released. I remember when Disciples first came out and the biggest thing was decking out as fast as you can to win the game. One game particularly that comes to mind is when I went up against Randall back in 2011 at Creation fest, and he decked out within 5 turns. These new decks are more balanced, and I think we'll see a lot more TO games this year.

Agreed, but TEC has some drawing as well.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #40 on:** January 23, 2015, 10:38:16 AM »

It's not the lack drawing that's pushing towards balanced. Timeouts are the worst possible outcome for a game, so hopefully Zepp is wrong, but I agree with him that more timeouts is the likely situation and that's very sad.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #41 on:** January 23, 2015, 11:51:59 AM »

Timeout may become more likely at locals and districts. After the first round or two at anything bigger and you will most likely be playing against more experienced players and this greatly reduces the likelihood of a timeout. I can honestly say I don't think I've ever been involved in a timeout due to a players deck size but rather my opponents ability.

Can't see this principle changing just because we are playing more balanced decks.

Chris · « **Reply #42 on:** January 23, 2015, 08:34:53 PM »

Playing against experienced players will (generally) speed things up, but balanced decks do slow down games. Not in turn length, but in the number of turns a game typically lasts. Balanced decks mean more defense, and typically they're slower, meaning it can take longer to get to Son of God and New Jerusalem, further prolonging the game. From start to finish, a game between two speed decks usually lasts 15-20 minutes in my experience, a game between two balanced decks, if neither one really "hits" is usually closer to 30-40.

The Guardian · « **Reply #43 on:** January 24, 2015, 12:54:17 AM »

In my experience, a match between balanced decks that ends in a timeout is most often because both players drew mostly defense early in the game (or both players got Soul-droughted) and neither player had the opportunity to put pressure on the opponent by forcing them to use sub-optimal blocking options, which then resulted in each player having several strong blocking options for the endgame rounds.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #44 on:** January 24, 2015, 01:48:42 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on January 24, 2015, 12:54:17 AM

In my experience, a match between balanced decks that ends in a timeout is most often because both players drew mostly defense early in the game (or both players got Soul-droughted) and neither player had the opportunity to put pressure on the opponent by forcing them to use sub-optimal blocking options, which then resulted in each player having several strong blocking options for the endgame rounds.

Or because they play slowly and don't know how to incorporate soul generation into their decks.

Balanced decks should still be able to get the resources they need quickly enough. If you're only relying on defense and not utilizing search and draw power, you should probably try to rework your build.

IMO, etc.

LukeChips · « **Reply #45 on:** January 24, 2015, 03:35:29 PM »

I like balanced decks, they have more battles in them.

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