Author Topic: Sad Day for Buckeyes (Read 3386 times)

Zexal92 · « **on:** May 30, 2011, 10:30:26 PM »

Did anyone else see that Jim Tressel (Head Coach for OSU Buckeyes) resigned today? I am a big Buckeye fan and am sad to see him go but he had to do what he had to do.

Daniel TS RED · « **Reply #1 on:** May 31, 2011, 08:50:33 AM »

I don't see this as the end of the Buckeyes, unless they'd get the death penalty for their program. I'd say it won't be long now though before they lose to michigan.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #2 on:** May 31, 2011, 09:24:05 AM »

I don't really root for (or hate) OSU football. However, I am really upset that Jim Tressel has spent the last decade passing himself off as an upright Christian guy, and then turns out to by a hypocrite on the national stage.

I think that his example will do more harm to Christianity than the kook who predicted the end of the world last week. Few people took that guy seriously, but a lot of people bought into the Tressel-Cool-Aid. This is more similar to the prominent downfalls a couple decades ago of Jim Baker and Jimmy Swaggart.

The Schaef · « **Reply #3 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:04:34 AM »

I think that's a bit harsh. He kind of fell on his sword for his own players, over what in the end is a pretty minor event: trading away their rings for tats. I really don't think that even compares to Free Shoes University up in Michigan, or the PAC 10 players who seem suddenly to afford brand new SUVs when they play. I definitely don't think he's more damaging than a man who brought national ridicule to Christianity overnight with his absurd pronouncements, or a guy who went to jail for fraud. I mean, come on.

Woody Hayes did not have a gracious exit from football but he is revered as the pinnacle of coaching at Ohio State. Likewise, I hope Tressel is recognized for his contributions to the program, the university, the community, and the many kids he mentored during his tenure there, rather than having his own (fatal) mistake compared to a man convicted of two dozen federal felonies.

lp670sv · « **Reply #4 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:46:43 AM »

Defending players against the Nazi organization that is the NCAA is unchristian? The NCAA is the worst organization ever invented. In what other part of the world can you get in trouble for selling your stuff? These kids make millions MILLIONS for their colleges just by playing football and if they accept a sandwich from a stranger they can be suspended. Lying to the NCAA was wrong but his intentions were right. The NCAA is a joke.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #5 on:** May 31, 2011, 06:26:03 PM »

Quote from: The Schaef on May 31, 2011, 10:04:34 AM

I think that's a bit harsh. He kind of fell on his sword for his own players, over what in the end is a pretty minor event: trading away their rings for tats. I really don't think that even compares to Free Shoes University up in Michigan, or the PAC 10 players who seem suddenly to afford brand new SUVs when they play.

First of all, people weren't connecting Free Shoes University and Pac10 SUVs with Christian hypocrisy, which is what makes this worse in my mind. I'm not as concerned with the dollar amount of the cheating as I am with the tarnishing of Jesus name.

Second of all, it appears that the problem is much worse than simply selling rings for tattoos. According to the Sports Illustrated article, Tressel has a pattern of this stuff going back more than a decade. And apparently he personally rigged raffles, and players were getting stuff like cars and marijuana as well.

I know you're a huge OSU fan, and this is probably painful. But as an objective person who doesn't care one way or the other about the program, it looks pretty bad.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #6 on:** May 31, 2011, 06:41:26 PM »

As an outside observer, the appearance is that the coach lied about how much he knew in order to keep his players eligible long enough to win their bowl game. I definitely would not equate that with Baker, since I was not aware of any faith proclamation.

Schaef, I would think that his legacy will be lauded after the smoke clears. It didn't take long for Belichick to get accolades after SpyGate. And whoever the Nebraska coach was that was responsible for the Lawrence Philips fiasco doesn't seem to have lost any credibility in the long-term.

Smokey · « **Reply #7 on:** May 31, 2011, 07:52:00 PM »

Originally thought the thread title was "Sad Day for Bucklers"

The Schaef · « **Reply #8 on:** May 31, 2011, 08:06:57 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on May 31, 2011, 06:26:03 PM

I know you're a huge OSU fan, and this is probably painful. But as an objective person who doesn't care one way or the other about the program, it looks pretty bad.

An objective person compares trying to shield a player's dumb mistakes with a man convicted of two dozen federal felonies, and says the former is worse?

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #9 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:26:18 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 31, 2011, 06:41:26 PM

I was not aware of any faith proclamation.

Then you haven't really been following this story, and you didn't read the article that I linked to in this thread.

Quote from: The Schaef on May 31, 2011, 08:06:57 PM

An objective person compares trying to shield a player's dumb mistakes with a man convicted of two dozen federal felonies, and says the former is worse?

I never said Tressel was worse than Baker or Swaggart. I said that his hypocrisy was more damaging than Camping.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:54:16 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on May 31, 2011, 10:26:18 PM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 31, 2011, 06:41:26 PM
I was not aware of any faith proclamation.
Then you haven't really been following this story, and you didn't read the article that I linked to in this thread.

No. I did not read the article, mostly because I do not care about Sports Illustrated's opinion. Given their insistence to produce the Swimsuit Issue, I have never taken them seriously.

I am about as avid of a sports fan as there is. The typical fan (outside of Ohio) does not think "outspoken Christian" when the name Tressel is heard. We think "Wolverine killer." This whole debacle is just another college program coverup gone bad. This is no different than Reggie Bush, Rick Neuheisel, Lawrence Philips, Cam Newton, etc. etc. etc.

Your insistence on equating Tressel to Baker, Swaggert and Camping is a head-scratcher. There is no correlation. You can not lump anyone who claims to be a Christian and messes up in their secular job to someone who messes up in their ministry to God. Sin is sin, but a pastor that steals from his church and a college coach who covers up his players' indiscretions are not the same.

The Schaef · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:03:11 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on May 31, 2011, 10:26:18 PM

I never said Tressel was worse than Baker or Swaggart. I said that his hypocrisy was more damaging than Camping.

Well, forgive me for whatever distinction you think exists in "This is more similar to the prominent downfalls a couple decades ago of Jim Baker and Jimmy Swaggart" that makes you NOT comparing him to them. It is completely outside my comprehension.

I got laid off my job, too. Does that damage the Lord's work in a way "similar to the downfall of Jim Bakker" in your eyes, that they felt my contribution was not worth my salary?

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #12 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:08:19 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 31, 2011, 10:54:16 PM

No. I did not read the article, mostly because I do not care about Sports Illustrated's opinion. Given their insistence to produce the Swimsuit Issue, I have never taken them seriously.

I don't read SI normally, I just followed a link that led me to that particular article which specifically juxtaposed Tressel reading his Bible and then rigging a raffle for players to illegally receive gifts. But if you don't want to read SI (and I agree with you about the swimsuit issue being a bad thing), then how about this article in USAToday which mentions Tressel's latest book "Life Promises for Success: promises from God on achieving your best"? Tressel was out spoken about his faith and the media is certainly using that connection as a major point in this story. This is NOT like what happened with Cam Newton. It would be more like if a major scandal implicated Tim Tebow.

Quote from: The Schaef on May 31, 2011, 11:03:11 PM

Well, forgive me for whatever distinction you think exists in "This is more similar to the prominent downfalls a couple decades ago of Jim Baker and Jimmy Swaggart" that makes you NOT comparing him to them.

I am comparing them in that they were all taken more seriously than Camping. I repeat that Tressel is NOT worse than Baker or Swaggart. And no, I don't think you are hurting the Kingdom of God by losing your job

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #13 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:16:01 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on May 31, 2011, 11:08:19 PM

Tressel was out spoken about his faith and the media is certainly using that connection as a major point in this story.

The media is now bringing that to the forefront, which is an implication on the media. You are suggesting that this incident will have a negative impact on Christianity similar to Camping, Swaggert and Baker. I say you are misguided. The majority of people that have even heard of Jim Tressel are sports fans. If you took a poll of passerbys in your local Wal-Mart, I guarantee that most of them will have no idea who he is. If they did, they would probably now say, "Oh, he's that bad coach from Ohio State." There will be very few, if any, who would say, "Oh, he's that Christian guy that made a mockery of his faith."

The same would not be true of the other three. Their names are irrevocably tied to their faith.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #14 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:47:10 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 31, 2011, 11:16:01 PM

The majority of people that have even heard of Jim Tressel are sports fans. If you took a poll of passerbys in your local Wal-Mart, I guarantee that most of them will have no idea who he is. If they did, they would probably now say, "Oh, he's that bad coach from Ohio State." There will be very few, if any, who would say, "Oh, he's that Christian guy that made a mockery of his faith."

I hope that you are right.

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