Author Topic: The Exchanger (Read 6184 times)

Matman · « **on:** July 06, 2009, 12:38:15 AM »

If I have the exchanger in my land of bondage and exchange it with a LS in my opponents land of bondage does my opponent have the ability to use the exchanger during their preperation phase?

Arch Angel · « **Reply #1 on:** July 06, 2009, 12:47:08 AM »

Matman · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2009, 01:00:58 AM »

Thanks for the quick response

Ironica · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2009, 10:28:18 AM »

A fun thing to do is exchange for a lost soul that they can't get to right now (e.g. Female only/3-liner that you half rescued) and then use SOG/NJ and rescue the exchanger and another lost soul and then they are stuck

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Matman · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2009, 03:10:12 PM »

What a great stategy.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #5 on:** July 25, 2009, 10:04:55 AM »

Here's an additional question: Can the Exchanger be used to grab your opponent's Lost Soul that is being held in a site?

Ironica · « **Reply #6 on:** July 25, 2009, 10:07:06 AM »

Yep, but the exchanger also goes into that site.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #7 on:** July 25, 2009, 02:16:31 PM »

Okay, cool. I was just wondering because when I played Kevin, he had the site discard Lost Soul in a site and I was wondering if I could snag it to make him discard a card. :p But now I know, and knowing is half the battle!

Professoralstad · « **Reply #8 on:** July 25, 2009, 02:27:09 PM »

Quote from: FresnoRedemption on July 25, 2009, 02:16:31 PM

Okay, cool. I was just wondering because when I played Kevin, he had the site discard Lost Soul in a site and I was wondering if I could snag it to make him discard a card. :p But now I know, and knowing is half the battle!

You can do that, sure, but I think it only happens when either soul is out of a site. That is, if both the site d/c and the exchanger are in a site already, exchnaging them doesn't make your opponent d/c from hand. That could get messy.

southpawkev · « **Reply #9 on:** July 25, 2009, 02:28:13 PM »

name droper LOL

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2009, 02:41:41 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on July 25, 2009, 02:27:09 PM

Quote from: FresnoRedemption on July 25, 2009, 02:16:31 PM
Okay, cool. I was just wondering because when I played Kevin, he had the site discard Lost Soul in a site and I was wondering if I could snag it to make him discard a card. :p But now I know, and knowing is half the battle!

You can do that, sure, but I think it only happens when either soul is out of a site. That is, if both the site d/c and the exchanger are in a site already, exchnaging them doesn't make your opponent d/c from hand. That could get messy.

Well, what I meant was if my Exchanger is not in a site but his Site Discard Lost Soul is, could I exchange the Exchanger with his Site Discard, putting my Exchanger in his site and his Site Discard not in a site. Then I was thinking I could put the Site Discard I just exchanged from my opponent into my own site to make him discard. I figure since the Site Removal Lost Soul can remove the Site Discard Lost Soul, then I can put it back into a site to make my opponent discard, the principle might be the same here.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #11 on:** July 25, 2009, 02:59:35 PM »

Quote from: FresnoRedemption on July 25, 2009, 02:41:41 PM

Well, what I meant was if my Exchanger is not in a site but his Site Discard Lost Soul is, could I exchange the Exchanger with his Site Discard, putting my Exchanger in his site and his Site Discard not in a site. Then I was thinking I could put the Site Discard I just exchanged from my opponent into my own site to make him discard. I figure since the Site Removal Lost Soul can remove the Site Discard Lost Soul, then I can put it back into a site to make my opponent discard, the principle might be the same here.

Yep that works. My comment was regarding switching between sites. But yes, if you did as you suggested, your opponent would have to d/c from hand.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #12 on:** July 25, 2009, 03:01:27 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on July 25, 2009, 02:59:35 PM

Quote from: FresnoRedemption on July 25, 2009, 02:41:41 PM
Well, what I meant was if my Exchanger is not in a site but his Site Discard Lost Soul is, could I exchange the Exchanger with his Site Discard, putting my Exchanger in his site and his Site Discard not in a site. Then I was thinking I could put the Site Discard I just exchanged from my opponent into my own site to make him discard. I figure since the Site Removal Lost Soul can remove the Site Discard Lost Soul, then I can put it back into a site to make my opponent discard, the principle might be the same here.

Yep that works. My comment was regarding switching between sites. But yes, if you did as you suggested, your opponent would have to d/c from hand.

Okay, cool. So as long as my Exchanger is *not* being held in a site when the exchange is made, I can put the Site Discard Lost Soul into a site to make my opponent discard?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #13 on:** July 25, 2009, 03:05:43 PM »

From what I understand, yes. If you exchange for the site d/c from a site, you wouldn't be 'placing' the site d/c in a site, as it was already placed. That's how I see it anyway. But if you ever take the site d/c from your general LoB and place it in a site, your opponent must d/c, no matter how many times it's happened before.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #14 on:** July 25, 2009, 03:09:47 PM »

Awesome. This will prevent my opponent from exchanging with the Site Discard I just took from him and making me discard again, since he'd be exchanging from a site.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #15 on:** July 25, 2009, 03:10:10 PM »

I disagree (I believe). To me, placing a lost soul in a site is the act of a lost soul being placed in a site, regardless whether it came from the general LoB or an exchanger. I don't really see the difference.

If I'm wrong, multi just got a lot less fun.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #16 on:** July 25, 2009, 03:12:33 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on July 25, 2009, 03:10:10 PM

I disagree (I believe). To me, placing a lost soul in a site is the act of a lost soul being placed in a site, regardless whether it came from the general LoB or an exchanger. I don't really see the difference.

If I'm wrong, multi just got a lot less fun.

I just double-checked the Lost Soul in question. It doesn't specify it has to have been put in a site from your Land of Bondage, just that "when this Lost Soul is put in a site" the ability triggers. Hmm. You may be right, Cameron.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #17 on:** July 25, 2009, 04:02:41 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on July 25, 2009, 03:10:10 PM

I disagree (I believe). To me, placing a lost soul in a site is the act of a lost soul being placed in a site, regardless whether it came from the general LoB or an exchanger. I don't really see the difference.

If I'm wrong, multi just got a lot less fun.

Honestly, I could go either way. I just think it would be kinda crazy if you and an opponent could go back and forth d/c'ing from each others' hands. So I've always assumed it could only be 'put' in a site from a general LoB, and that switching from site to site wouldn't count. I could be wrong though.

Kevin Shride · « **Reply #18 on:** July 25, 2009, 06:35:22 PM »

Do NOT take this as official, but I can't see any reason why the above wouldn't work. You are putting the soul in a site, so its ability should trigger.

Kevin Shride

Arch Angel · « **Reply #19 on:** July 25, 2009, 07:04:04 PM »

exchange =! put. That's been the ruling since the exchanger LS was released.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #20 on:** July 25, 2009, 07:14:02 PM »

Quote from: Arch Angel on July 25, 2009, 07:04:04 PM

exchange =! put. That's been the ruling since the exchanger LS was released.

I am inclined to agree with that, but I can't really find any evidence. I guess we'll have to wait until someone officialer than Kevin says something about it.

Gabe · « **Reply #21 on:** July 25, 2009, 08:43:17 PM »

There's a 4 page discussion on this topic already with comments by Bryon, Schaef and Tim.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #22 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:05:13 PM »

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem an official position was reached in the other thread. Personally, I would be all for allowing the special ability to activate if it was moved from a site to another site by the Exchanger. After all, don't other abilities trigger if you move it from a site to a site, such as the Female-only Lost Soul?

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #23 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:05:43 PM »

hehe, I love how I spent 2 pages a year ago arguing the other way that I do now..... LOL

robm · « **Reply #24 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:19:44 PM »

When you switch lost souls by exchanging them then are taken out of one land of bondage and "put" into the other land of bondage. If this means that the discard LS is put into a sight then it would cause your opponent to discard a card from hand.

Rob M
Local, District and State Tournament Host

Not that I am more official but it seems like sound logic to me.

Switch your cards and do what the special ability says. I believe that I have had the deck discard LS exchanged on me, causing me to discard a card from my deck when it was exchanged into my opponents LoB and Site.

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