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Chronic Apathy

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Re: Split Altar
« Reply #175 on: March 07, 2012, 11:43:29 AM »
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We're allowed to be dissatisfied with this ruling, Alec. If you're annoyed by this thread, you don't have to post in it, and just shouting "YOU GUYS ARE BEATING A DEAD HORSE" over and over again isn't helping anyone.
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Re: Split Altar
« Reply #176 on: March 07, 2012, 11:47:28 AM »
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We have an elder ruling that it does, and since he's not trying to change a rule he really didn't have to say anything at all. ANB functions as it has until 2 elders state otherwise (that is the requirement to overturn a ruling if i'm not mistaken). It is not our place to change that. I'm all for wanting rules clarified but we can't just play a card a certain way because that's how we think it should work.

You are allowed to be dissatisfied, however this issue has been resolved for the time being. You asked for an elder ruling, it was given. Prof U has already stated that the elders aren't going to do anything about it any time soon so at this point you are, infact, beating a dead horse. If you are annoyed by this ruling, you don't have to post in this thread either. Continuing to argue when you got your ruling isn't helping anyone.
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Re: Split Altar
« Reply #177 on: March 07, 2012, 11:54:54 AM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on March 07, 2012, 11:41:38 AM
You can't not do something just because you don't want to do it
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#2 if I could change the errata personally on ANB to add artifact piles, then I probably would.  But I can't, so I won't.  If you want it changed, then post it on the thread about REG changes needed.
It's not a matter of "want to", but a matter of "unable to".  And you can post on the thread where this really belongs just as easily as me, and it will probably be just as effective.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on March 07, 2012, 11:41:38 AM
Until this gets fixed, ANB does not shuffle art piles. If the elders have a problem with that, they need to make another errata or make a consensus ruling.
This is wrong.  The status quo ruling on ANB is that is DOES shuffle artifact piles.  If you want that to change, then you need to get a consensus of elders to agree with you.

Quote from: lp670sv on March 07, 2012, 11:47:28 AM
Prof U has already stated that the elders aren't going to do anything about it any time soon
Actually I didn't say that nothing would be done soon, just that we're tired of ruling questions about these 2 cards.  I actually don't know whether the errata will be updated soon or not.  I'm just guessing from the fact that this thread has gone over 10 pages and no other elder than myself seems willing to touch it with a 10-foot pole that it is not worth causing more of a stink about currently.
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Re: Split Altar
« Reply #178 on: March 07, 2012, 12:10:21 PM »
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my bad, misinterpreted that.
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Re: Split Altar
« Reply #179 on: March 07, 2012, 12:14:40 PM »
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Underwood, I hope you know I'm not really angry with you or any of the other Elders, just the situation in general. As you said, at least you posted. I'm aware that precedent beats anything else until its officially overturned, but can you at least see why most of us who have posted in the last few pages are upset? This seems to be a huge inconsistency, and while I don't know the etiquette for errataing a card, surely this isn't something where there would be any dissent among the Elders?
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Re: Split Altar
« Reply #180 on: March 07, 2012, 12:19:50 PM »
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Quote from: Chronic Apathy on March 07, 2012, 12:14:40 PM
I don't know the etiquette for errataing a card,

Quote from: Prof Underwood on March 07, 2012, 11:54:54 AM
And you can post on the thread where this really belongs just as easily as me, and it will probably be just as effective.
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Re: Split Altar
« Reply #181 on: March 07, 2012, 12:21:31 PM »
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I did that, Stamp, however, I don't know what happened if the Elders talk about it. If it's just a thread on that side of the board; that sort of thing.
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Re: Split Altar
« Reply #182 on: March 07, 2012, 12:42:22 PM »
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Quote from: Chronic Apathy on March 07, 2012, 12:21:31 PM
I did that, Stamp, however, I don't know what happened if the Elders talk about it. If it's just a thread on that side of the board; that sort of thing.

I don't think you want to tear down that veil.  ;D
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Re: Split Altar
« Reply #183 on: March 07, 2012, 01:30:55 PM »
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Prof U, currently, either Split Altar does shuffle the piles, ANB does not shuffle the piles, or defaulting to play is no longer true. There is no possible way for ANB in its current form to shuffle art piles unless Split Altar also does. The status quo was changed when ANB was re-errata'd again, it just took a while to catch it. The other option is to have two bottom-up rulings regarding two specific cards, which is what you're suggesting is currently the case. I can't believe any elder supports those kinds of rulings.
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Re: Split Altar
« Reply #184 on: March 07, 2012, 01:39:22 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on March 07, 2012, 01:30:55 PM
The other option is to have two bottom-up rulings regarding two specific cards, which is what you're suggesting is currently the case. I can't believe any elder supports those kinds of rulings.
Actually my understanding is that at this point we have 1 card that fits with the top down rulings (Split Altar) and 1 card that is a bottom-up ruling currently (ANB).

Do I like having any bottom-up rulings? No
Am I going to single-handedly change the ruling on ANB? No
Can I possibly change the errata myself? No

So there you have it.  I feel badly for the apparent inconsistency.  But at this point this issue has been sufficiently pointed out, and the suggestion of updating the errata has been made on the proper thread.  Unless some other elders want to get involved, I think the best idea is for me to stop posting on this thread.
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