Author Topic: Matthew Vs AoCP (Read 6450 times)

Lamborghini_diablo · « **on:** August 20, 2010, 12:49:02 AM »

Can Matthew recur Authority of Christ (Promo)?

I was talking with Isildur, and he said it could not because theres no reference written ON AoCP itself. However, I said Matthew only specifies a Good Matthew enhancement, not that a Matthew reference is written on the card.

I'd like to hear from some playtesters/elders about this, as Isildur said it wasn't supposed to recur AoCP, just AoC.

Matthew (Di)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 7 / 7 • Class: None • Special Ability: You may draw up to X cards (limit 3) or search discard pile for a good Enhancement with a Matthew reference and place it beneath deck. • Play As: You may draw up to X cards (limit 3) or search discard pile for a good Matthew enhancement and place it beneath deck. • Identifiers: NT Male Human, Disciple • Verse: Luke 6:13-16 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

Authority of Christ (P)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard all Evil Characters in play. May not be interrupted, negated, or prevented. • Play As: Discard all Evil Characters in play. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Matthew 8:27 • Availability: Promotional cards (2001 National Tournament)

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #1 on:** August 20, 2010, 12:51:29 AM »

No, Isildur's reason is correct on why you can not recur it.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #2 on:** August 20, 2010, 12:53:23 AM »

why is that?
its matthew?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #3 on:** August 20, 2010, 12:54:39 AM »

It does not have a reference on the card (see Warriors Might of Angels vs. The Book of Life for a similar situation).

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #4 on:** August 20, 2010, 12:55:38 AM »

So N.T. promo ECs would not be discarded by Book of Life? that seems stupid to me.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:00:34 AM »

That is correct, because it discards all ECs with an NT reference, which is defined as having an NT book on the card. I am unsure of Nero and other Jospehus cards which are considered NT are treated by it.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #6 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:03:34 AM »

neither card specifies reference. They just say N.T. Evil characters. If you look in the identifiers list for every N.T. evil character, it says N.T.

JSB23 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:07:10 AM »

Is this from the REG?

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 20, 2010, 12:49:02 AM

Authority of Christ (P)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard all Evil Characters in play. May not be interrupted, negated, or prevented. • Play As: Discard all Evil Characters in play. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Matthew 8:27 • Availability: Promotional cards (2001 National Tournament)

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:07:58 AM »

Interesting, I had forgotten the on the card part of the ability of Might of Angels. I may be wrong. Wait for someone higher than me to approve of my answer.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:09:26 AM »

The Book of Life (Wa)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: 3 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard all New Testament Evil Characters in play. • Identifiers: NT, Based on Prophecy • Verse: Revelation 20:12 • Availability: Warriors booster packs (Rare)

Might of Angels (Wa)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard all Evil Characters in play having a New Testament reference on card. • Identifiers: NT, Based on Prophecy, Depicts a Weapon • Verse: II Thessalonians 1:7-8 • Availability: Warriors booster packs (Rare)

Actually, if you look there you'll see that the two cards do have a difference.

Might of Angels cannot discard Nero, and Matthew cannot recur AoCP.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #10 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:09:48 AM »

Yes JSB, that quote is from the REG.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #11 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:10:13 AM »

Matthew does not specify on the card though, which is why I have some confusion.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #12 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:11:01 AM »

It says reference. AoCP does not have a matthew reference. It doesn't have a reference at all.

We talked about it during playtesting, and the concensus was that he cannot recur AoCP.

JSB23 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:15:08 AM »

Yes he can because AoCP is listed as a Mathew enhancement in the REG
If Mathew said...
"Search discard pile for a good enhancement with a Matthew reference and place it beneath deck"
then RDT would be correct

Arch Angel · « **Reply #14 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:19:08 AM »

Quote from: JSB23 on August 20, 2010, 01:15:08 AM

Yes he can because AoCP is listed as a Mathew enhancement in the REG
If Mathew said...
"Search discard pile for a good enhancement with a Matthew reference and place it beneath deck"
then RDT would be correct

... that's exactly what Matthew's SA is.

JSB23 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:21:46 AM »

You're partially correct but once we look at the play as we see....
"Play As: You may draw up to X cards (limit 3) or search discard pile for a good Matthew enhancement and place it beneath deck."

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #16 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:23:46 AM »

I'm the official score keeper for this thread.
JSB: 1
Everyone else: 0
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But, the play-as wasn't given to clarify or change the SA. It means nothing, it was just used for linking purposes in the REG.

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Rawrlolsauce!: 1
JSB: -1
Everyone Else: 0

Arch Angel · « **Reply #17 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:24:28 AM »

That, along with almost every play as currently in the REG, is just there to auto-link to terms. It is not a change to Matthew's SA.

I think they need a new term for a Play As that's really just for linking. It's too confusing to call it a play as.

edit: Instaposted by Rawrlolsauce!

Isildur · « **Reply #18 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:26:51 AM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on August 20, 2010, 01:11:01 AM

It says reference. AoCP does not have a matthew reference. It doesn't have a reference at all.

We talked about it during playtesting, and the concensus was that he cannot recur AoCP.

Thats the same thing Bryon said in playtesting.

JSB23 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:27:32 AM »

Of course one could argue that because it is has a Mathew reference in the REG entry it still counts....
(I hope I'm wrong)

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #20 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:31:32 AM »

SCORING UPDATE:

Rawrlolsauce!: 1
JSB: -1
Whoever -1'd my last post: -1 (unless it was JSB or I, then it'd be -2 and 0 respectively)
Everyone else: 0

TimMierz · « **Reply #21 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:34:32 AM »

As a note, the REG's list of Matthew enhancements includes the promo version of Authority of Christ (as well as the older versions).

Isildur · « **Reply #22 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:37:10 AM »

Also note that the Reg has verses for Saul and Paul

lol. Where it got those verses from I have no idea.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #23 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:37:43 AM »

And it lists Seeker of the Lost as Luke. o_0

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #24 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:44:54 AM »

Isaiah
7/8 Green Brigade Hero
Search deck for the current REG and discard it, because it's totally irrelevant.
verse: "The new REG is coming!" Isaiah 9001:1

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Author Topic: Matthew Vs AoCP (Read 6450 times)

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