Author Topic: DoN and Lampstand again (Read 4900 times)

Korunks · « **on:** August 20, 2010, 08:32:54 AM »

Players 1's turn begin's (so all his artifacts are deactivated by game rule is this correct?)

Player 1 then DoN's Player 2's annoying artifact, then pops back up lampstand (it was active in the previous turn.)

I could have sworn this play was not allowed but after reviewing the rules and searching the post's I cannot find anything that says that this is ot a legal play. Can I get some clarity here.

Smokey · « **Reply #1 on:** August 20, 2010, 08:44:58 AM »

It isn't allowed, Lampstand's effect doesn't fizzle until the next phase so it wouldn't let you play DoN in between deactivation and reactivation.

Korunks · « **Reply #2 on:** August 20, 2010, 10:17:43 AM »

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It isn't allowed, Lampstand's effect doesn't fizzle until the next phase so it wouldn't let you play DoN in between deactivation and reactivation.

Huh? Lampstand is active until it is deactivated by game ruleat the end of the upkeep phase, then the preparation phase begins it is not active. Why can I not choose to DoN something and the activate my LotS?

Gabe · « **Reply #3 on:** August 20, 2010, 10:53:27 AM »

Quote from: Korunks on August 20, 2010, 10:17:43 AM

Lampstand is active until it is deactivated by game ruleat the end of the upkeep phase, then the preparation phase begins it is not active.

Where do you find that rule? I'm unaware of it.

Artifacts remain active until the point during your preparation phase that you choose do to one of the following:

1) Reactivate the same Artifact (leave it active)

2) Activate a different Artifact (turn the previous one face down and turn a new one face up)

3) Have no Artifact active (turn the previous one face down)

There is no window to deactivate an Artifact, play any other cards, then activate another Artifact.

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #4 on:** August 20, 2010, 10:59:18 AM »

Hmm...then I should have called a judge over a couple of times during nats, because I saw that happen consistently...

SirNobody · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:44:06 PM »

Hey,

I have been wondering, if I have Lampstand in my Temple can I activate a different artifact in the temple (say Holy of Holies) which sends Lampstand back to my artifact pile, play Burial, and then activate Lampstand on my artifact Pile?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #6 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:45:50 PM »

I would say no. As Gabe said, the artifact activation phase can be performed anytime during your preperation phase, but once begun, in must be completed, and can not later be revisted (even if the activation of the artifact would have been legal during your artifact activation phase).

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2010, 02:24:11 PM »

I also agree with Gabe. I think people should either choose to leave LotS up for another turn (in which case neither player can use DoN), or they should choose to turn it off for a turn (in which case both players can use DoN).

christiangamer25 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2010, 03:47:39 PM »

i think it gets turned off for a turn else one would be able to deactivate it play mayhem then reactivate which is broken.

The M · « **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2010, 04:01:44 PM »

have two in your deck and let one get DoN'd.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #10 on:** August 20, 2010, 04:12:55 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on August 20, 2010, 01:44:06 PM

Hey,

I have been wondering, if I have Lampstand in my Temple can I activate a different artifact in the temple (say Holy of Holies) which sends Lampstand back to my artifact pile, play Burial, and then activate Lampstand on my artifact Pile?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

I agree with sir nobody on this one.

Korunks · « **Reply #11 on:** August 20, 2010, 09:47:32 PM »

I disagree, it should be all artifact activation at once or none, we don't need more ways to abuse LotS.

Smokey · « **Reply #12 on:** August 20, 2010, 09:52:07 PM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on August 20, 2010, 04:12:55 PM

Quote from: SirNobody on August 20, 2010, 01:44:06 PM
Hey,

I have been wondering, if I have Lampstand in my Temple can I activate a different artifact in the temple (say Holy of Holies) which sends Lampstand back to my artifact pile, play Burial, and then activate Lampstand on my artifact Pile?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

I agree with sir nobody on this one.

You can't agree with someone asking a question.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #13 on:** August 20, 2010, 11:00:09 PM »

well i did.

The Warrior · « **Reply #14 on:** August 20, 2010, 11:00:44 PM »

Quote from: Smokey on August 20, 2010, 09:52:07 PM

Quote from: RTSmaniac on August 20, 2010, 04:12:55 PM
Quote from: SirNobody on August 20, 2010, 01:44:06 PM
Hey,

I have been wondering, if I have Lampstand in my Temple can I activate a different artifact in the temple (say Holy of Holies) which sends Lampstand back to my artifact pile, play Burial, and then activate Lampstand on my artifact Pile?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
Prof's quotes Worthy

I agree with sir nobody on this one.

You can't agree with someone asking a question.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #15 on:** August 21, 2010, 02:34:03 AM »

Quote from: Smokey on August 20, 2010, 09:52:07 PM

You can't agree with someone asking a question.

However, it appears you can agree with nobody

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #16 on:** August 21, 2010, 01:59:52 PM »

i thought it was ruled a while ago you could turn down lampstand, DoN something, then turn it back up again on the same turn...

The M · « **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2010, 02:02:21 PM »

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on August 21, 2010, 01:59:52 PM

i thought it was ruled a while ago you could turn down lampstand, DoN something, then turn it back up again on the same turn...

how would you do that?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #18 on:** August 21, 2010, 02:06:17 PM »

I should probably just start a new thread, but since it's a DoN and Lampy question, I figured I'd ask here.

can I play DoN and target Lampy, it protects itself from discard, but I still negate it's ability for the phase?

sk · « **Reply #19 on:** August 21, 2010, 02:10:55 PM »

Destruction of Nehushtan
Type: Grim Reaper • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard one active Artifact in play. Artifact's ability is negated. • Play As: Discard one active Artifact in play. Negate the discarded artifact's ability. • Identifiers: False Religious Practice • Verse: II Kings 18:4 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Ultra Rare)

The artifact must be discarded to be negated. Because Lampstand is protected from discard, it can't be negated by DoN.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #20 on:** August 21, 2010, 02:11:03 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 21, 2010, 02:06:17 PM

I should probably just start a new thread, but since it's a DoN and Lampy question, I figured I'd ask here.

can I play DoN and target Lampy, it protects itself from discard, but I still negate it's ability for the phase?

No, protect stops it from targeting it.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #21 on:** August 21, 2010, 02:17:27 PM »

Quote from: sk on August 21, 2010, 02:10:55 PM

Destruction of Nehushtan
Type: Grim Reaper • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard one active Artifact in play. Artifact's ability is negated. • Play As: Discard one active Artifact in play. Negate the discarded artifact's ability. • Identifiers: False Religious Practice • Verse: II Kings 18:4 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Ultra Rare)

The artifact must be discarded to be negated. Because Lampstand is protected from discard, it can't be negated by DoN.

okay. I didn't look up the play as...

SomeKittens · « **Reply #22 on:** August 21, 2010, 04:46:49 PM »

Quote from: The M on August 21, 2010, 02:02:21 PM

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on August 21, 2010, 01:59:52 PM
i thought it was ruled a while ago you could turn down lampstand, DoN something, then turn it back up again on the same turn...
how would you do that?

I think it's possible (according to the cheat sheet) to deactivate an artifact, and the reactivate it. Regardless, you are only allowed on activation a turn.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #23 on:** August 22, 2010, 01:16:45 AM »

deja vu, anyone?

Ironica · « **Reply #24 on:** August 22, 2010, 01:50:27 PM »

Its just the semi-annual discussion about lampstand and DON. It'll probably come up again around march/april again :p

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