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Q1. Yes, the only cards that don't follow to out of play is Lost Souls don't follow Sites.

I know the lost soul doesn't follow, but the question is more along the lines of whether it would be a battle challenge or rescue attempt. I can't recall whether in type 2 you have to declare what soul you are rescuing before your hero enters battle or after. I guess I'm just trying to figure out the reasoning based on The Woman at the Well ruling in type 2 (which I can't seem to find with the search function).

Q2. Yes, Uriah's effect wasnt stopped because Discarding Uriah is an effect not a cost, so after the battle he still Discards an Evil Character, just like Habbukkuk does.

The reason i'm unsure of this is because of the Assyrian Archers/Forgotten History ruling. FH immediately ends the battle, which stops AA from being discarded. Wasn't sure if playing FH against Uriah would stop the discard since the battle is immediately ended.

The reason i'm unsure of this is because of the Assyrian Archers/Forgotten History ruling. FH immediately ends the battle, which stops AA from being discarded.

I've never heard that ruling, and I'm fairly certain it is very incorrect. If the battle ends and AA wasn't negated after you used him to snipe someone then he discard himself.

That doesn't really make any sense, though. End the battle abilities don't skip anything other than initiative, they just zoom ahead to battle resolution. There is no reason why "pending" abilities or triggers or anything else wouldn't fire as normal just because you played an end the battle ability.

I've always seen end the battle as something like the final bell of a boxing match. When the final bell rings, no more punches can be thrown, the scores are added up and the outcome is determined.

That interpretation still doesn't change my thoughts, though. "After battle" abilities/triggers/etc. happen after battle resolution in battles ended by the number or non-"End the Battle" special ability anyway, so why is that different for something that just moves the battle to resolution automatically?

This is not its currently played nor how I have seen any Elder rule it, and I am commonly looking at the rulings, I believe this is meaning effects that may have been Interrupted or if I use a Weapon to play an ETB but I can also do other effects too, but it doesn't affect cards that trigger after battle, because it activates after the battle was resolved so ending the battle wouldn't affect the card.

I thought there was already a president that said you can't interrupt yourself, you can Negate yourself, but not Interrupt.

I'm pretty sure u can't Interrupt your Characters.

1. In a type 2 game the only lost soul my opponent has is in Golgotha. I attack with Asahal and Band to Ishmaiah w/ Foreign Sword to place Golgotha on top of my opponent's deck. Is this a rescue attempt for the lost soul that was in Golgotha?

Yes. Technically you would declare the rescue against the Soul in Golgotha prior to the rescue. Then you play your characters and Golgotha is on top of the deck so now you are in a rescue attempt.

2. My opponent attacks with Uriah the Hittite w/ David in play. I block with ASA w/ horses and play forgotten history. Does Uriah's discard still occur?

I would rule yes. While ongoing SAs such as "discard after battle" would--in general--be interrupted by the horses, Uriah's ongoing SA is a discard SA which Uriah makes CBN.

The way it works is this:

1. Archers perform the discard and setup an ongoing ability that will kill them at the end of battle.
2. 2K horses triggers interrupting all ongoing abilities including the one archers lays down (there is no rule stating that you cannot interrupt yourself).
3.The End the battle card occurs under the umbrella of the interrupt so it ends the battle in a state where the ongoing discard is interrupted so it does not get to reactivate.

This is how Archers 2k horse has been ruled ever since I started playing and hosting.

Korunks layed it out perfectly.

Here's what 'Interrupt the battle' actually does:

1) Interrupts all ongoing affects, be they yours, or your opponents

2) Interrupts the last enhancement played in battle

3) Interrupts any ability triggered by your opponent that is removing you from battle.

This isn't actually in the REG anymore - But it used to be.

Let's go back to MJB's current premise about battle challenge changing to rescue attempt in Type 2...I thought you had to have access with your PRIMARY hero, not a band due to a special ability on the character. Are you telling me that all this time I had a Seraph in play and a lost soul was in Nazareth I could have banded to a prophet and had access? I thought I had to find away to get rid of the site first or it was a battle challenge that you had to hope your opponent would accept so you use your Edge of the Sword or whatever....

Let's go back to MJB's current premise about battle challenge changing to rescue attempt in Type 2...I thought you had to have access with your PRIMARY hero, not a band due to a special ability on the character. Are you telling me that all this time I had a Seraph in play and a lost soul was in Nazareth I could have banded to a prophet and had access? I thought I had to find away to get rid of the site first or it was a battle challenge that you had to hope your opponent would accept so you use your Edge of the Sword or whatever....

Yes, I believe that is what I am telling you. For banding heroes you get to band the characters immediately and then they act as a team in terms of winning or losing the battle. Technically, in the case you outline it would be your prophet--not Seraph making the RA, but the prophet could well win the rescue solely because Seraph was able to play Protection of Angels.

I think you may be confusing this with the edge cases where there is both a LS limitation and a site. For example if you have the Female Only LS is a purple site, you cannot make an RA simply by banding Claudia to ET.  This is so because Claudia does not have site access (so she cannot rescue), and ET is not a female (so he cannot rescue).

Quote from: Korunks on June 10, 2012, 09:29:47 AM

2. 2K horses triggers interrupting all ongoing abilities including the one archers lays down (there is no rule stating that you cannot interrupt yourself).

Korunks layed it out perfectly.
1) Interrupts all ongoing affects, be they yours, or your opponents

So are you saying that horses can interrupt an ongoing ability whose result is CBN?

There was an earlier thread that I saw an Elder mention you can't interrupt your own Characters...

Is it possible that what the Elder actually said is that you can't *be immune to* your own Characters? Because that claim would be correct, whereas what you are recalling is false.