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Band/Exchange/CBN interaction
« on: December 07, 2016, 08:57:03 AM »
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If I use a banding card to bring in Angel under the Oak who then exchanges for Moses, does Moses stay in battle? Mayhem delenda est.
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Re: Band/Exchange/CBN interaction
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2016, 09:11:26 AM »
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Yes. Auto is cbn, his ability took place and can't be undone.
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Re: Band/Exchange/CBN interaction
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2016, 09:11:56 AM »
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^^Correct.

Classic example is the Simeon-AutO-Moses band.
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Re: Band/Exchange/CBN interaction
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2016, 04:33:13 AM »
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But due to the chain negate rule the SA of Moses gets negated. Is this true?
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Re: Band/Exchange/CBN interaction
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2016, 07:44:01 AM »
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Moses entered play via a CBN ability so I don't think anything related to him is undone. Even if he negates the band card his ability isn't indirectly negated because AUtO is CBN and thus also cannot be indirectly negated.
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Re: Band/Exchange/CBN interaction
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2016, 09:31:40 AM »
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Quote from: Ivek on December 09, 2016, 04:33:13 AM
But due to the chain negate rule the SA of Moses gets negated. Is this true?

Nope--Moses' ability still works.
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Re: Band/Exchange/CBN interaction
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2016, 05:26:28 AM »
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And can you explain me why doesn't the cascade-negate work here as in this topic:
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/is-it-ever-too-late-to-negate/

Because I don't get the difference.
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Re: Band/Exchange/CBN interaction
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2016, 06:16:59 AM »
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It's because Auto is cannot be negated. His ability activates and ends with Moses in play who then tries to negate auto but can not. Anything that happens that is cbn or cbi before Moses enters battle sticks because they cannot be undone. If he was brought in off something that is negatable then he would kick out but his ability stays.
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Re: Band/Exchange/CBN interaction
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2016, 08:42:35 AM »
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Also, a card cannot cascade negate (or indirectly negate) itself.

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Re: Band/Exchange/CBN interaction
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2016, 04:51:37 AM »
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Quote from: The Guardian on December 12, 2016, 08:42:35 AM
Also, a card cannot cascade negate (or indirectly negate) itself.

Thanks for explanation. Now I get it :)
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