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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #75 on: October 31, 2008, 04:44:37 PM »
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Redemption is not about winning. Redemption is about fellowship. That's been made very clear.

So we should award prizes to the people who are having the most fun, rather than who wins?   ;)

exactly my point here. and i actually wouldnt be oppossed to awarding a good sportsmanship prize (at all the tournaments i place in, i always award my winnings either to the last place finisher or the player with the best sportsmanship and attitude). but tournaments are designed to be a test of skill, and awarding those players with the best skill. 'table talk' only serves to lessen the value of skill needed to win a redemption match, and that is not fair whatsoever to anyone in the tournament (not even the person being helped).
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #76 on: October 31, 2008, 10:29:22 PM »
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Your point is unneeded sarcasm? :-p
Since when is multi FAIR? People play to purposfuly remove Ls players can rescue etc. Not on table talk just naturaly. "Hey that guy has 2 ls...and I have 2 ls and the only ls he can get is mine and guy rescuing has 2 ls and used sog nj... if I give that guy his 4th, the guy who might have sog nj won't be able to get one!" yes this is furthering it so you can get another ls, and is known as smart multiplay, but multi is never fair, one person is honestly gonna get jumped, be it on purpose or not.

taking tournaments too 'seriously'? are you serious? what exactly do you THINK a tournament is? heres what dictionary.com has to say:

tour·na·ment /Pronunciation Key –noun 1. a trial of skill in some game, in which competitors play a series of contests: a chess tournament.

a trial of SKILL. do you think its a players personal skill to be helped by another player? no. its also not fair to the other players in a tournament either. if redemption was not designed with at least an ounce of competitive edge to it, it would not be (first and foremost) a game, and it would not have a tournament structure either. sure, 'fun and fellowship' is all cool and warm and fuzzy and all, but dont spoil it for the rest that like to be competitive either.

again, show me an ounce of truth to your assertations that 'table talk' is printed anywhere in the rulebook, and i'll be obligated to end this conversation. otherwise, i see no way any of your arguments hold any water.
I don't answer to the dictionary, I answer to the front of the redemption rule book. :-p There is nothing wrong with being competitive unless it ruins someone else's fun. You don't want it to ruin it for competitive people, don't ruin it for us fun lovers. Again calling for the rulebook when you throw at me table talk not being banned in the rules is bull honkey  is pretty hypocritical.

Also yes it is :D Its persuasive skill. :-p
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #77 on: October 31, 2008, 10:47:03 PM »
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hey, proper grammar and punctuation is your friend.

you supposedly 'answer to the redemption rule book', yet you still cant provide a single strand of evidence in it that even REMOTELY hints towards 'table talk' being legal? and you call me hypocritical? wow, you're either full of unending conundrums or just full of yourself. weren't you also the one that said you played texas hold 'em? hows your so-called 'table talk' working there?

it absolutely perplexes me what some of the children say on these boards...
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #78 on: October 31, 2008, 11:10:59 PM »
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Actually, he was calling me a hypocrite, which is true. I tell my students that they need to be responsible and do their homework, yet it takes me over a week to grade their tests because I refuse to do them at home.  :o
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #79 on: October 31, 2008, 11:14:22 PM »
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well, if you're not on the clock, then you shouldnt have to do anything school-related :)

which is why i never understood the concept of 'homework'...why not just do it in school with the rest of the work? why rob poor children of much needed fun-time when they already spend 7 hours a day at school? :D
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #80 on: October 31, 2008, 11:29:11 PM »
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hey, proper grammar and punctuation is your friend.

Try not to criticize the posting skills of others in a post where you don't capitalize a single sentence.

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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #81 on: October 31, 2008, 11:38:04 PM »
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i have never capitalized a single sentence since my inception on these boards. its logical to say that i do this on purpose.

it was actually a shot at one of the prime candidates that criticizes other people (usually far younger than himself) on these boards for their grammar and sentence syntax. i found it ironic, as his post was one of the most butchered ones i've ever seen him create.
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #82 on: October 31, 2008, 11:42:16 PM »
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i have never capitalized a single sentence since my inception on these boards.

..... other than your Personal Text under your avatar......  8)
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #83 on: October 31, 2008, 11:43:54 PM »
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 :o

good find, ymt! i must change it immediately! down with capitalization! down with taking the extra effort of putting my pinky on the shift button!
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #84 on: October 31, 2008, 11:45:11 PM »
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If you hurry, you can change it before Schaef gets back on.  :o
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #85 on: October 31, 2008, 11:48:51 PM »
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*rushes*

i could, but then it would look tacky uncapitalized. my signature is also capitalized. and im pretty sure i usually capitalize headers when i start a topic.

i should have said i have never capitalized a single sentence in any of my posts.
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #86 on: November 01, 2008, 09:34:34 AM »
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its logical to say that i do this on purpose.

Whether you do it on purpose or not, it's still poor form, and it's exactly the reason "lol you can't spellz0rz" is one of the most tired arguments on the Intarweb.

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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #87 on: November 01, 2008, 10:33:30 AM »
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^lolz g00d sp3llz!!!

Seriously, let's argue about something that kinda matters, not how we type and spell. If I can udnerstand you, your better than most.

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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #88 on: November 01, 2008, 12:45:16 PM »
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i have never capitalized a single sentence since my inception on these boards. its logical to say that i do this on purpose.

it was actually a shot at one of the prime candidates that criticizes other people (usually far younger than himself) on these boards for their grammar and sentence syntax. i found it ironic, as his post was one of the most butchered ones i've ever seen him create.
I ask people to spell correctly, I don't jump on people for grammar. E.g. Wase.

The Rulebook says its for fun and fellowship, I find talking in a multi-player game fun. :-p You do realize no matter how loud you scream "but it isn't in the rulebook" the argument still falls flat on its face because the rulebook doesn't back your point either?
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #89 on: November 01, 2008, 02:53:20 PM »
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its logical to say that i do this on purpose.

Whether you do it on purpose or not, it's still poor form, and it's exactly the reason "lol you can't spellz0rz" is one of the most tired arguments on the Intarweb.

maybe poor form in english 101, but in a day and age of 'el-oh-el' and 'semi-colon, dash, closed parenthesis', im pretty sure that me failing to hit the shift key is still light years ahead of the deterioration of the human language.

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The Rulebook says its for fun and fellowship, I find talking in a multi-player game fun. :-p You do realize no matter how loud you scream "but it isn't in the rulebook" the argument still falls flat on its face because the rulebook doesn't back your point either?

thats great, have 'fun' in a friendly, non-sanctioned redemption match. would you not agree that a tournament (which might i remind you is a test of skill) is of a higher calibur than just a normal redemption match? and what makes you think that just because it isn't explicitly spelled out to you in the rulebook that you can't table talk, that somehow gives you the right that you can? the rulebook also doesn't say i cannot rip my lost souls up once i draw them to stop you from rescuing them...but you know what, i'm pretty sure i cannot. 'cant' almost always trumps 'can'.
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #90 on: November 01, 2008, 03:05:06 PM »
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Higher calibur? depend what you mean. Is there more competition? Yeah sure. Does that (at least for me) ever stop me from being a complete fool? Nope. I don't think we will ever agree on this. I play for fun, regardless if it is a fun game or not. You play for the competition. So I doubt we will see eye to eye.

As for your example.
You could, they are still LS cards, they are still in your LOB, and Imo still able to be rescued.
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #91 on: November 01, 2008, 03:10:56 PM »
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ok, what if i used a ray gun that warped all my lost souls to a different dimension? hmmmmmmm? :)
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #92 on: November 01, 2008, 03:17:20 PM »
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Can I borrow it so my hero can get into that dimension to get them? ;)
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #93 on: November 01, 2008, 03:17:52 PM »
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ok, what if i used a ray gun that warped all my lost souls to a different dimension? Hmmmmmmm? :)
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #94 on: November 01, 2008, 03:47:30 PM »
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Can I borrow it so my hero can get into that dimension to get them? ;)

well, sure, but i must warn ya, the evil characters over in that dimension are uber-tuff...like, leviathan/ttb numbers times a gajillion, with potw/12fg/red dragon/pot special abilities all rolled into one. and the ray gun can only handle a capacity of one hero and 7 of my lost souls...sooooooo...good luck :D

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you Capitalized!

are you seeing things?
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #95 on: November 01, 2008, 04:12:07 PM »
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Can I borrow it so my hero can get into that dimension to get them? ;)

well, sure, but i must warn ya, the evil characters over in that dimension are uber-tuff...like, leviathan/ttb numbers times a gajillion, with potw/12fg/red dragon/pot special abilities all rolled into one. and the ray gun can only handle a capacity of one hero and 7 of my lost souls...sooooooo...good luck :D

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you Capitalized!

are you seeing things?
I misqoted you. just a joke.
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #96 on: November 01, 2008, 08:09:34 PM »
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Stop playing Redemption. This obviously isn't the game for you. Table Talk is currently legal in Redemption because there is no rule against it. Burning cards goes against fun & fellowship. Burning other peoples' cards is illegal. If you don't like it, play a game where it is not legal. Poker, for example, which is a different game than Redemption, doesn't allow table talk.
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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #97 on: November 01, 2008, 08:37:34 PM »
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maybe poor form in english 101, but in a day and age of 'el-oh-el' and 'semi-colon, dash, closed parenthesis', im pretty sure that me failing to hit the shift key is still light years ahead of the deterioration of the human language.

If proper English is optional in the age of the Intarweb, then stop using the grammar hammer on others.

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« Reply #98 on: November 01, 2008, 09:58:36 PM »
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maybe poor form in english 101, but in a day and age of 'el-oh-el' and 'semi-colon, dash, closed parenthesis', im pretty sure that me failing to hit the shift key is still light years ahead of the deterioration of the human language.

If proper English is optional in the age of the Intarweb, then stop using the grammar hammer on others.

if you're going to bust my chops about the grammar hammer, then you're going to have to nitpick at all the other ones that are picking on people far younger than them. enforce all or enforce none at all. enough digression.

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Table Talk is currently legal in Redemption because there is no rule against it.

everytime i see this posted, i begin to worry about your outlook on life, not to mention your upbringing. just because you see no printed rule against it means that gives you permission to do so? get real.

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Burning cards goes against fun & fellowship.

really? that sounds like a personal opinion to me. what may be not fun to you may be fun to me. on the same note, if i feel i'm being cheated by other players 'table talking', then i'm definately not having fun and i'm definately not enjoying the so-called fellowship.

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If you don't like it, play a game where it is not legal.

lets see...PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM??? seems like, as schaef would put it, an 'obvious default' of common sense.

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Poker, for example, which is a different game than Redemption, doesn't allow table talk.

and that kind of makes my mind wander how far you would truly go in any game without table talk.

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Re: Another tricky MP question
« Reply #99 on: November 01, 2008, 11:28:04 PM »
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if you're going to bust my chops about the grammar hammer, then you're going to have to nitpick at all the other ones that are picking on people far younger than them. enforce all or enforce none at all. enough digression.

I will enforce what I will enforce.  You are not the first nor the last for me to call out on this behavior, and you're not even the only person I've asked to knock off this behavior this same evening.  So get off the cross and play nice with the others.

 


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