Author Topic: Advice (Read 6427 times)

SomeKittens · « **on:** July 31, 2010, 04:37:51 PM »

I've got a playgroup, and they've played plenty of Redemption, so they know all the rules. What advice would you give to a player who's ready to take it to the next level? (Strategies to go for/avoid, what boosters to get, etc.)

drb1200 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 31, 2010, 04:42:27 PM »

Try setting them up with Judge's Seat, Z-Temple, or Abom.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2010, 04:47:20 PM »

Keep in mind I'm still fairly new, and don't have all the epic cards. They're all highschoolers, and have made decks on their own.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2010, 04:53:35 PM »

Quote from: drb1200 on July 31, 2010, 04:42:27 PM

Try setting them up with Judge's Seat, Z-Temple, or Abom.

Hey, in my experience Abom and Judges seat are not very good strategies for type 1. They are two slow and too dependent on what cards your opponent has. Thanks.

JSB23 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 31, 2010, 05:33:46 PM »

Angels

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #5 on:** July 31, 2010, 10:45:20 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on July 31, 2010, 04:53:35 PM

Quote from: drb1200 on July 31, 2010, 04:42:27 PM
Try setting them up with Judge's Seat, Z-Temple, or Abom.

Hey, in my experience Abom and Judges seat are not very good strategies for type 1. They are two slow and too dependent on what cards your opponent has. Thanks.

I counter that opinion. A well-constructed Abom deck is neither slow nor dependent on what the opponent has.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #6 on:** July 31, 2010, 11:07:01 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 31, 2010, 10:45:20 PM

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on July 31, 2010, 04:53:35 PM
Quote from: drb1200 on July 31, 2010, 04:42:27 PM
Try setting them up with Judge's Seat, Z-Temple, or Abom.

Hey, in my experience Abom and Judges seat are not very good strategies for type 1. They are two slow and too dependent on what cards your opponent has. Thanks.
I counter that opinion. A well-constructed Abom deck is neither slow nor dependent on what the opponent has.

I counter for Judge's seat as well. It isn't as fast as a speed but it is not a slow poke with you doing it every turn.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #7 on:** July 31, 2010, 11:18:53 PM »

Judges' Seat doesn't need to snipe everything - it only needs to snipe the hard to beat guys.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #8 on:** July 31, 2010, 11:33:23 PM »

Anything less specific, more general?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2010, 11:37:41 PM »

Go for Rouge (Mono tone offense/defense) for now. Buy packs based on whatever color they like. Lemme know which they like I'll tell you the packs.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #10 on:** July 31, 2010, 11:37:55 PM »

Buy Priests packs the most I would say.

EDIT: Or just buy a foof tin or two to buid a deck base.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #11 on:** July 31, 2010, 11:42:39 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on July 31, 2010, 11:37:55 PM

Buy Priests packs the most I would say.

EDIT: Or just buy a foof tin or two to buid a deck base.

I totally forgot about that. DO THAT!

Edit: Buy the Foof/Roa tins for your mono colors.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 01, 2010, 02:27:28 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 31, 2010, 10:45:20 PM

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on July 31, 2010, 04:53:35 PM
Quote from: drb1200 on July 31, 2010, 04:42:27 PM
Try setting them up with Judge's Seat, Z-Temple, or Abom.

Hey, in my experience Abom and Judges seat are not very good strategies for type 1. They are two slow and too dependent on what cards your opponent has. Thanks.
I counter that opinion. A well-constructed Abom deck is neither slow nor dependent on what the opponent has.

The problem with Abom is that there are not many cards that make opponents draw. And even in the best case scenario you get rid of some cards in there territory not a huge deal. When I said it was a good strategy I ment that it isn't good because it is hard to win consistently.

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 31, 2010, 11:07:01 PM

Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 31, 2010, 10:45:20 PM
Quote from: TheHobbit13 on July 31, 2010, 04:53:35 PM
Quote from: drb1200 on July 31, 2010, 04:42:27 PM
Try setting them up with Judge's Seat, Z-Temple, or Abom.

Hey, in my experience Abom and Judges seat are not very good strategies for type 1. They are two slow and too dependent on what cards your opponent has. Thanks.
I counter that opinion. A well-constructed Abom deck is neither slow nor dependent on what the opponent has.
I counter for Judge's seat as well. It isn't as fast as a speed but it is not a slow poke with you doing it every turn.

With all of the protect forts out there it is really hard to make Jugdges seat effective. Even if you get to discard evil characters you still clog your deck with judges. Besides, there are much better ways to clear territories, HG, AOCP, WAS etc... He said he wanted to take it up a notch, Judges Seat doesn't do that which is why i disagreed with drb post.

crustpope · « **Reply #13 on:** August 01, 2010, 11:12:55 PM »

I like z temple with philies, abom with Luke heros and greeks is also interesting but not quite as reliable. Try a good site lockout as well. Its not as sexy but it can be fun!

SomeKittens · « **Reply #14 on:** August 02, 2010, 11:04:06 AM »

Site lockout used to be the epic win, but now everyone's got site access locked in via art or a hero or two.

crustpope · « **Reply #15 on:** August 02, 2010, 11:08:38 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on August 02, 2010, 11:04:06 AM

Site lockout used to be the epic win, but now everyone's got site access locked in via art or a hero or two.

A good site lock deck has ways to counter multiple artifacts and multuple sites. Its really not that hard.

Pergamum takes care of DR, Dannites attack takes care of one multi site, josephs dream takes another, land dispute takes another...and so on and so on. and how many ways are there to kill an artifact these days? on both offense and defense?

Site lock is still pretty good. I am worried about how to take care of the fishing boat when it comes out because that is going to make Site lock much harder.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #16 on:** August 02, 2010, 11:15:51 AM »

Fishing Boat will have little to no effect on sitelock. You heard it first here.

crustpope · « **Reply #17 on:** August 02, 2010, 08:00:57 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 02, 2010, 11:15:51 AM

Fishing Boat will have little to no effect on sitelock. You heard it first here.

I assume that is because there will be adequate provisions in place in this next set to counter fortresses that are set aside and can grant CBN site access?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #18 on:** August 02, 2010, 08:26:39 PM »

No, it is because Fishing Boat isn't that great of a card against sitelock when the defense is built properly.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 02, 2010, 09:23:31 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 02, 2010, 08:26:39 PM

No, it is because Fishing Boat isn't that great of a card against sitelock when the defense is built properly.

I run all of my site decks with no souls too.

crustpope · « **Reply #20 on:** August 02, 2010, 09:25:49 PM »

Site lock defenses whole point is to negate or prevent the access to sites. from what I know of the new disciples cards, there isnt a lot of ways to negate the ability on fishing boat. even the best defense can only hold out for so long. the best site lock defense should fight as little as possible but with fishing boat, it will be difficult to stop it forever.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #21 on:** August 02, 2010, 09:28:56 PM »

1. This card will only be in an archetype that will be at around 10% of the metagme (and that is an extremely high estimate if I may say so myself).
2. This card very well might not even be in that archetype as many would consider it fluff.
3. By consistantly using this card as site access, heroes are pushed under the deck, making them ineffective for thier primary purpose (rescuing souls).

crustpope · « **Reply #22 on:** August 02, 2010, 11:45:12 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 02, 2010, 09:28:56 PM

1. This card will only be in an archetype that will be at around 10% of the metagme (and that is an extremely high estimate if I may say so myself).
2. This card very well might not even be in that archetype as many would consider it fluff.
3. By consistantly using this card as site access, heroes are pushed under the deck, making them ineffective for thier primary purpose (rescuing souls).

1 true
2 false, its dual purpose will make it a staple in that archtype for either speed or undeniable access
3. one hero every turn goes under. you only need to put 5 heros to rescue 5 LS's and there are 12 apostles...I th ink they can manage the loss.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #23 on:** August 03, 2010, 11:32:13 AM »

There's going to be two type of disciple decks, balanced ones and speed ones. A balanced deck will only have 7 or 8 disciples. When you consider the draw slowing the deck down, I cna't see there being a unlimited bunch of site access. If you have a good defense and you block an RA and capture a disciples, they will begin to run out of disciples to use extremely quickly, until the endgame. Speed disciples decks will be even easier to defend . They will probably run 10-12 disciples + Claudia/Mentor/ET. That will probably put them around 12-14 heroes. Sounds like a classic speed deck. Now, in order to use Fishing Boat's site access, you can't draw with it. That means the 5 or so cards of defense are less likely to come out, and you will be able to successfully RA more often than not, meaning you only need to handle 1 or 2 RAs max.

crustpope · « **Reply #24 on:** August 03, 2010, 01:51:01 PM »

All you have said is true...but its just not good for an archtype when you have one unnegatable way to bring it down It would be like having a CBN three nails to totally toast demons. All you would have to do is toss it in and you wreck all demon decks. TO wreck all Site decks, just throw a hand full of disciples in and this fortress and...

gg

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