Author Topic: Top T1 2p Players at Nationals over Past 10 Years (Read 16687 times)

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #50 on:** September 05, 2012, 02:37:32 PM »

Excellent idea! We now have two computer rankings: Kirk's and MJB's. While I wish we had at least a third I think we can move forward. Here's my proposal:

A. Rank as determined by poll of Elders
B. Rank as determined by poll of Tournament hosts
C. Kirk's rankings
D. MJB's rankings

Final rank = ((A+B)/2) + C + 100/D^0.5
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How did you come up with the last part of the calculation to bring MJB's rankings onto the level of a 1st to 25th type ranking?

Kirk

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #51 on:** September 05, 2012, 04:38:32 PM »

We actually do have a third set of rankings from a poll of forum members from many months ago that Alex_Olijar did. Personally, I think it would be better to go with a poll of all forum members rather than just tournament hosts. As long as we're going to be subjective and biased we might as well let everyone get in on the fun

Going with Kirk's ratings and MJB's ratings and the elder's poll in addition to the general forum poll should probably give a pretty solid indication of top players.

However, I do think that it might be best if the final list was NOT publicized. It would only need to be known to whoever was making the initial pools at Nats (if that system ever even happens), and that way people would be less likely to feel hurt that they weren't on the list.

STAMP · « **Reply #52 on:** September 05, 2012, 05:25:16 PM »

Quote from: Captain Kirk on September 05, 2012, 02:37:32 PM

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Excellent idea! We now have two computer rankings: Kirk's and MJB's. While I wish we had at least a third I think we can move forward. Here's my proposal:

A. Rank as determined by poll of Elders
B. Rank as determined by poll of Tournament hosts
C. Kirk's rankings
D. MJB's rankings

Final rank = ((A+B)/2) + C + 100/D^0.5

How did you come up with the last part of the calculation to bring MJB's rankings onto the level of a 1st to 25th type ranking?

Kirk

I borrowed it from the BCS.

But seriously, I just tried a couple of equations to provide an inverse relationship.

(Psst...and I'm not even a math teacher.

)

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #53 on:** September 07, 2012, 09:28:16 AM »

I'm assuming, then, that all hosts will have to either televise their tournaments, or at least make video recordings, so that hosts get equal view of all players from across the country. Or perhaps the plan was to fly the voting Elders and hosts to each tournament for a first-hand look?

CMO Falcon · « **Reply #54 on:** November 04, 2012, 08:40:26 AM »

I was taking a trip down memory lane and I looked into this thread, #9! Pretty sweet!

Thanks for posting this!

The Guardian · « **Reply #55 on:** February 03, 2013, 01:17:49 AM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on September 03, 2012, 09:53:54 PM

Here are the Top 25 Highest Value GLICKO Ratings from Nationals Only (2002-2012)

1. Jonathan Alstad 2067 2005
2. Keith Bartram 2031 2002
3. Christian Fong 2029 2008
4. Chad Soderstrom 2019 2007
5. Jeff Lau 2018 2009
6. Tim Mierzejewski 2017 2008
7. Matt Stupienski 2002 2010
8. Allen Clark 1988 2005
9. Tyler Stevens 1988 2010
10. Gabe Isbell 1986 2010
11. John Nesfeder 1981 2005
12. Ben Arp 1962 2007
13. Josh Hey 1960 2003
14. Nic Marshall 1954 2010
15. Daniel Huisinga 1953 2005
16. Brian Garlow 1945 2002
17. Justin Sangillo 1942 2005
18. Jonathan Greeson 1936 2007
19. Martin Miller 1935 2012
20. Chris McCravy 1934 2005
21. Tim Maly 1929 2004
22. Jonathan Brodhacker 1912 2002
23. Josh Stanley 1889 2007
24. Kyle Hostetler 1879 2003
25. Justin Cannaday 1877 2003

Highest defiend to be the highest value at the end of a Nationals. The third number is the year the ranking was achieved.
Starting values 1500 +- 350
All rankings carried over from year to year.

Kinda funny I ran across this...earlier tonight, Jonathan and I were reminiscing about how back in the day he was a fairly competitive player. 2nd place at the largest Nats ever, and he beat the first place finisher. (Would have gotten first under the current tie-breaker rules). He still owns a T1 deck, but I think it's still without defense...

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #56 on:** July 13, 2013, 06:39:21 PM »

I was thinking about this and I didn't reread this, but was there any adjustment for size of tournament? Could we adjust the formula to calculate in percentiles instead of places?

SiLeNcEd_MaTrIx · « **Reply #57 on:** July 17, 2013, 10:27:37 PM »

#20, I need to start playing more, haven't done any tournies since 2003 lol.

bmc25 · « **Reply #58 on:** September 01, 2013, 03:37:59 PM »

I haven't played a game of redemption in a good long while, I browse around here checking up on you'll every once in a while, wanted to see how Nats went and came across this.

I don’t think it is possible to “correctly” value a player through rankings like this. I’ve played some very great players when I was playing, and I think everyone has their opinions, but here are some of the people I think are phenomenal, in no such order. P.s. I’ve been out of the game a while, but like to check up on you guys lol

Tim Maly-been great for a long long time. Always VERY knowledgable about what is the current metagame. A redemption legend.

Roy Cannaday-was 1 game away from a perfect season in Type 1-2player, 5 locals, 2 districts, 1 state, 1 regionals, and then “if I have my facts straight” he lost to Tim Maly at nationals, so he placed 2nd. 1 game away from a perfect season in type 1. (never got to play him)

Sam Nurge is Great, he could win with any deck you game him, his decks were always interesting in my opinion, super nice guy.

Justin Sangillo-I’ve played many great Redemption players…Justin made less mistakes than all of them. He usually won because he played perfect games, if you made a single mistake against him, he won.

Daniel Huisinga-The deck he played with in ’05, reshaped what I believed about redemption. This deck was the ultimate “anti-meta” deck, and shut down decks like the one’s Roy Cannaday helped make famous. (only played him online, just LOVED his '05 deck)

Tim Mierzejewski-The Genesis/Rome deck he used, was in my opinion an invention. He always made something everyone else looked past, and made it work.

Christian Fong-This guy was my boy! I remember playing him when he was just getting into the game. He took what was working at the time and put his own spin on it, he was unique.

Justin Alstad- Not on this list because he was a Type 2 player, but he was good ay whatever he played. I won the iron man the first year they had it in ’06, if memory serves me correctly, he was my only loss, in Iron man.

I’m very sure I’ve played a lot more of these guys but my memory is a little foggy.

Kirk, thanks for putting this together, really cool to look over! Brought back SO many good memories.

The Guardian · « **Reply #59 on:** September 02, 2013, 12:52:38 AM »

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Justin Alstad- Not on this list because he was a Type 2 player, but he was good ay whatever he played. I won the iron man the first year they had it in ’06, if memory serves me correctly, he was my only loss, in Iron man.

I vaguely remember that game...glad to see you are still around, thanks for the shout-out!

bmc25 · « **Reply #60 on:** September 02, 2013, 03:04:05 PM »

My pleasure, I remember back then I was always glad you were mostly a Type 2 player. Hopefully I'll be around more often, I really want to start a playgroup out here in Western, NY. I am an associate pastor, out in Western NY now, and I work a lot with the youth.

soul seeker · « **Reply #61 on:** September 02, 2013, 08:23:38 PM »

Quote from: bmc25 on September 02, 2013, 03:04:05 PM

My pleasure, I remember back then I was always glad you were mostly a Type 2 player. Hopefully I'll be around more often, I really want to start a playgroup out here in Western, NY. I am an associate pastor, out in Western NY now, and I work a lot with the youth.

Where at in Western NY?

bmc25 · « **Reply #62 on:** September 02, 2013, 10:17:39 PM »

pm sent soul seeker

New Raven BR · « **Reply #63 on:** October 30, 2013, 12:58:19 PM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on September 03, 2012, 10:00:09 PM

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on September 03, 2012, 09:47:23 PM
Clearly I'm not that good of a player I'm not on any of these lists - This takes so much pressure off
You are in 91st place currently and 100th on the highest ever list. (Unfortunately, the way I did the Glicko--complete carry-over of all results with no time-decay--will really punish someone who wasn't a phenom from the start.)

BTW, you should listen to Olijar he is 30 spots or so above you on both lists.

Just for you, RDT--here is the 2012 Only Top 25.

15. Andy Stanley 1681
16. Chris Egley 1670
17. Christian Fong 1665
18. Mark Underwood 1654

These results reflect the strength (weakness) of Greeson's (Magras's) schedule that have been discussed in the "Top Cut" thread.

how in the world did I miss this?! lol well I must say that this really encourages me that im not TOO TERRIBLE lol all joking aside im seriously encouraged by this fact. it let's me know im doing good, im getting better and that ray of hope is still shining for me in my dream to become national champion someday, but im not gonna get my hopes up just yet about it right now. im just focusing on improving and getting better

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #64 on:** October 30, 2013, 11:50:08 PM »

Quote from: New Raven BR on October 30, 2013, 12:58:19 PM

...and that ray of hope is still shining for me in my dream to become national champion someday, ...

My dream is still to be a Nationals attendee some day...

New Raven BR · « **Reply #65 on:** October 31, 2013, 12:26:34 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on October 30, 2013, 11:50:08 PM

Quote from: New Raven BR on October 30, 2013, 12:58:19 PM
...and that ray of hope is still shining for me in my dream to become national champion someday, ...

My dream is still to be a Nationals attendee some day...

as was mine til last year. dream fulfilled!

soul seeker · « **Reply #66 on:** October 31, 2013, 10:42:35 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on October 30, 2013, 11:50:08 PM

Quote from: New Raven BR on October 30, 2013, 12:58:19 PM
...and that ray of hope is still shining for me in my dream to become national champion someday, ...

My dream is still to be a Nationals attendee some day...

But, can it be a dream if you don't ever plan to attend*?

*Unless I'm remembering wrong, I thought you said on multiple occasions that you would never go to Nats.**
** Don't get me wrong, you are one Redemption player that I really hope to meet one day.***
*** Not in a creepy way, but I appreciate the different perspectives you offer on the boards so much that I wanted to meet in person.*****
***** Well, I must admit...I wanted to see if the online pictures are true and that you look like Riker & you're not catfishing us.******
******I don't think you are catfishing us, but that it is neat that you look that much like a major sci-fi icon.*******
*******I did this just because no one ever uses 7 Post Scripts, and 7 is my favorite number...have a great day.

New Raven BR · « **Reply #67 on:** October 31, 2013, 12:07:22 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on October 31, 2013, 10:42:35 AM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on October 30, 2013, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: New Raven BR on October 30, 2013, 12:58:19 PM
...and that ray of hope is still shining for me in my dream to become national champion someday, ...

My dream is still to be a Nationals attendee some day...
But, can it be a dream if you don't ever plan to attend*?

*Unless I'm remembering wrong, I thought you said on multiple occasions that you would never go to Nats.**
** Don't get me wrong, you are one Redemption player that I really hope to meet one day.***
*** Not in a creepy way, but I appreciate the different perspectives you offer on the boards so much that I wanted to meet in person.*****
***** Well, I must admit...I wanted to see if the online pictures are true and that you look like Riker & you're not catfishing us.******
******I don't think you are catfishing us, but that it is neat that you look that much like a major sci-fi icon.*******
*******I did this just because no one ever uses 7 Post Scripts, and 7 is my favorite number...have a great day.

im just wondering why there weren't any pics of me taken at nats 12. I wanted to have those for my fb

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #68 on:** October 31, 2013, 01:12:27 PM »

Quote from: New Raven BR on October 31, 2013, 12:07:22 PM

im just wondering why there weren't any pics of me taken at nats 12. I wanted to have those for my fb

Seek and ye shall find

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #69 on:** October 31, 2013, 08:37:21 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on October 31, 2013, 10:42:35 AM

But, can it be a dream if you don't ever plan to attend*?

My dream is to go on a cruise.... that will never happen either....

Quote from: soul seeker on October 31, 2013, 10:42:35 AM

*Unless I'm remembering wrong, I thought you said on multiple occasions that you would never go to Nats.**

I will never go to Nats, but I will not boycott Nats if it comes to me.

Quote from: soul seeker on October 31, 2013, 10:42:35 AM

** Don't get me wrong, you are one Redemption player that I really hope to meet one day.***

I just met Gabe for the first time this week while he was vacationing in Orlando. We did a Booster Draft. You should come visit too.

Quote from: soul seeker on October 31, 2013, 10:42:35 AM

*** Not in a creepy way, but I appreciate the different perspectives you offer on the boards so much that I wanted to meet in person.*****

I'm antisocial. You will regret ever meeting me.

Quote from: soul seeker on October 31, 2013, 10:42:35 AM

***** Well, I must admit...I wanted to see if the online pictures are true and that you look like Riker & you're not catfishing us.******

I'm not sure what catfish have to do with Riker, but yes I do look like him (when I use Just for Men on my beard).

Quote from: soul seeker on October 31, 2013, 10:42:35 AM

******I don't think you are catfishing us, but that it is neat that you look that much like a major sci-fi icon.*******

My wife is hot. That's not really relevant to what I just quoted, but I really wanted to say it.

Quote from: soul seeker on October 31, 2013, 10:42:35 AM

*******I did this just because no one ever uses 7 Post Scripts, and 7 is my favorite number...have a great day.

The Red Sox won the World Series last night, so I'm having a very great day!

Master KChief · « **Reply #70 on:** October 31, 2013, 09:43:14 PM »

He skipped post script #4.

soul seeker · « **Reply #71 on:** November 01, 2013, 08:24:12 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on October 31, 2013, 09:43:14 PM

He skipped post script #4.

Nice catch!

You, sir, are truly a top player (<--bringing topic full circle).

As to YMT, within a year or two, I hope to afford taking my family of 6 to Orlando. The youngest is now starting to get old enough to remember the trip (which was my condition for heading there: oldest child not too old/cool for it....youngest child to remember it.) I will let you know if the trip materializes. As an aside, I thought your post was awesome as well.

XeroSplash · « **Reply #72 on:** November 18, 2013, 12:54:24 AM »

I would like to see this for T2…
Just wondering.
Thanx

Eric "I'm just a figment of your imagination and wasn't really here" Largent

New Raven BR · « **Reply #73 on:** November 18, 2013, 11:28:00 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on October 31, 2013, 01:12:27 PM

Quote from: New Raven BR on October 31, 2013, 12:07:22 PM
im just wondering why there weren't any pics of me taken at nats 12. I wanted to have those for my fb
Seek and ye shall find

at the time of when the pics were up I was looking but funny I didn't see them. I guess I didn't look hard enough when I was looking for them last year. though at nats 2012 I was not only happy I was able to make it, but I was pleasantly surprised by how well I did even after I had picked up some needed cards and built my own TGT deck which I used to beat some of my competition, though I do regret playing my genegyptains against ya, mark lol in my nationals run switching back and forth between decks with my TGT and genegyptains I received a record of 5-4 and playing 24 out of idk how many participates that played in t1 2 player. but even so I was very satisfied with how well I did

though I was pumped when I faced you mark cause I did have a 3 game win streak going on at the time which was broken after our game but even if it was broken. I proved to myself im a much better player then I give myself credit for to be perfectly honest and not to boast or to be or sound prideful, not but a long shot, cause a couple of our brothers within the community did tell me "you've come along way since I've known you" and I really do think that is true. I know I still have some personal things to work on to help me improve my game and I will do whatever it takes to make those necessary changes

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #74 on:** November 18, 2013, 01:10:07 PM »

Quote from: XeroSplash on November 18, 2013, 12:54:24 AM

Eric "I'm just a figment of your imagination and wasn't really here" Largent

WOW! Great to hear from you again Eric. I'll always miss your "middle names".

Quote from: New Raven BR on November 18, 2013, 11:28:00 AM

I was pumped when I faced you mark cause I did have a 3 game win streak going on at the time which was broken after our game but even if it was broken. I proved to myself im a much better player then I give myself credit for

Yep, I think we were both around 15th place the round we played at Nats. It was fun to get to play in person, and as I recall, you played a solid game. I agree with others who have seen great progress in your game and in your maturity here on the boards over the years. Keep it up

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Author Topic: Top T1 2p Players at Nationals over Past 10 Years (Read 16687 times)