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Title: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: Chronic Apathy on November 05, 2008, 11:18:51 AM
This might be a bit premature, but if Nats is going to be off in a far away place from me (I live in PA), I need to start saving for a plane ticket/gas money now. Any idea when it'll be announced?

Edited title, please don't mock me. :(

Darn Schaef, that's spam, self-ban now plz. :(
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '08 location?
Post by: The Schaef on November 05, 2008, 11:26:00 AM
I predict that Nats 08 will be in Columbus OH, the weekend of August 6.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '08 location?
Post by: Gabe on November 05, 2008, 11:27:04 AM
lol @ Schaef.  That's not exactly a prediction.  :D

The location of Nationals is typically announced after the first of the year if memory servers me correctly.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TechnoEthicist on November 05, 2008, 11:34:09 AM
Don't plan on it being in the east or the midwest...so plan to start saving about $500+ as a budget, that way if you are pleasantly surprised you then have money for the new set release  ;D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Gabe on November 05, 2008, 11:39:39 AM
...you are pleasantly surprised you then have money for the new set release  ;D

Or your honeymoon... whichever the case may be.  ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Lawfuldog on November 05, 2008, 11:40:42 AM
Georgia for Nats '09!

 ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on November 05, 2008, 01:10:26 PM
Georgia for Nats '09!

 ;)
I'll go with that otherwise I'm plain not going
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Master KChief on November 05, 2008, 01:18:24 PM
last i heard des moines, iowa was a serious contender for nats '09...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TheMarti on November 05, 2008, 01:26:30 PM
Georgia, Georgia!

Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on November 05, 2008, 01:40:18 PM
Georgia for Nats '09!

 ;)
exactly lawful!!!
i'v never beed to nats and i'd LOVE to go and meet all my redemption bretheren in person
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Lawfuldog on November 05, 2008, 02:06:32 PM
Georgia for Nats '09!

 ;)
I'll go with that otherwise I'm plain not going
Georgia, Georgia!


Georgia for Nats '09!

 ;)
exactly lawful!!!
i'v never beed to nats and i'd LOVE to go and meet all my redemption bretheren in person


So it's decided?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on November 05, 2008, 02:12:23 PM
Georgia for Nats '09!

 ;)
I'll go with that otherwise I'm plain not going
Georgia, Georgia!


Georgia for Nats '09!

 ;)
exactly lawful!!!
i'v never beed to nats and i'd LOVE to go and meet all my redemption bretheren in person


So it's decided?  :laugh:
yup
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: DaClock on November 05, 2008, 02:49:00 PM
California should get Natz '09. Their regional was similar in size to the rest of the regions last year and there hasn't ever been a national tournament on the west coast.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on November 05, 2008, 03:09:10 PM
California should get Natz '09. Their regional was similar in size to the rest of the regions last year and there hasn't ever been a national tournament on the west coast.

totally agree.  It needs to be on the west coast.  +1
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on November 05, 2008, 03:26:01 PM
i can't go to cali if it's there.
it'll cost ALOT.
and i'm DYING to go to my first nats and have been patient for it
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: SoulSaver on November 05, 2008, 03:47:13 PM
Quote
Quote from: Lawfuldog on Today at 04:40:42 PM
Georgia for Nats '09!

 Wink
I'll go with that otherwise I'm plain not going
Quote from: The Marti on Today at 06:26:30 PM
Georgia, Georgia!


Quote from: New Raven (trying to change) BR on Today at 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: Lawfuldog on Today at 04:40:42 PM
Georgia for Nats '09!

 Wink
exactly lawful!!!
i'v never beed to nats and i'd LOVE to go and meet all my redemption bretheren in person


So it's decided?  laugh

Yep, It's going to be in GA! We've waited so long and patiently, we can meet all of the requirements and then some. Can you say Natz in da ATL 09?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: DaClock on November 05, 2008, 03:50:46 PM
i can't go to cali if it's there.
it'll cost ALOT.
and i'm DYING to go to my first nats and have been patient for it

For YOU it may cost more but there are many players in your same situation on the West Coast. They haven't ever been to nationals because it is too expensive to go somewhere a long ways away to get there. Nationals has been a lot closer to TN than it has CA.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Master KChief on November 05, 2008, 03:55:39 PM
i say just bring it back to kansas city...then its an equal distance away from everybody.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on November 05, 2008, 05:22:39 PM
please let nats 09 be in ga cause i'd love to be in at least 1 nats
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on November 05, 2008, 10:11:48 PM
please let nats 09 be in ga cause i'd love to be in at least 1 nats
me too
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on November 05, 2008, 10:14:48 PM
MN or Iowa for Nats '09
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: metalpsalm on November 06, 2008, 06:38:21 AM
Alas, there is no Redemption scene in Elkhart. CA is due, but I'm not sure their number of players are high enough to merit. How many players do you have in Cali?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on November 06, 2008, 07:34:45 AM
California had the highest turnout for a Regionals tourney last year: 35 players at the Southwest Regionals (hosted in the Los Angeles area).  With the West Coast planning to represent if Bryon gets the approval, I think we could pull off 60 players just from this side of the Rockies.

CA '09!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: SoulSaver on November 06, 2008, 08:45:55 AM
If I remember right we had 40 at our southeast.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on November 06, 2008, 08:55:10 AM
If I remember right we had 40 at our southeast.
43 to be exact. I'm pretty sure
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Minister Polarius on November 06, 2008, 09:21:22 AM
43 players at your regionals translates to about 70 total at Nationals. California is on the very edge of the country, and don't say "like New York" because it isn't. The vast majority of players live eastern-midwest and east from there.

That said, GA for Natz '09!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: redemption99 on November 06, 2008, 09:34:25 AM
GA for natz '09!

Either that or back to ohio..i kinda liked it there  ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on November 06, 2008, 09:58:42 AM
Iowa is best because it's central
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on November 06, 2008, 10:40:59 AM
Iowa is best because it's central
oh and don't forget you live there. and R99 cmon you would rather hav it in Ohio than in your home state!?! what the heck "well uhh I like paying for travel gas."
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on November 06, 2008, 10:52:46 AM
I don't live in Iowa
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on November 06, 2008, 12:17:52 PM
We all want Nats to be close to each of us but the honest truth is the west coast has never gotten a Nats and if this game is to grow out here there has to be something to help add excitement.  Alot of the top players out west who like trying to get the RNRS titles know they can't do it because they can't go to Nats ever.  I've placed in the top 3 for Type 2 2 player RNRS twice but I know I can never win it because I can't go across the country to play in Nats.  I'm not asking for every year to be in California but once every three or four years isn't too much to ask to help grow the game we all love across all the U.S.A.

In fact the simple rumor of the next Nats being in California has caused me to begin playing again.  I had sold all my cards and just stopped playing because although the game is fun I like to have a chance to win a Nats or something like that.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on November 06, 2008, 12:43:06 PM
GA for natz '09!

Either that or back to ohio..i kinda liked it there  ;)
+1
OHIO FOR 09 and beyond!

43 players at your regionals translates to about 70 total at Nationals. California is on the very edge of the country, and don't say "like New York" because it isn't. The vast majority of players live eastern-midwest and east from there.

That said, GA for Natz '09!
NY even had low numbers...

I want GA because I know I can't get to CA and enjoy going to nationals and hanging with my friends ALOT.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Guardian on November 06, 2008, 01:01:23 PM
North Central Regionals had 40+ (easily) as well as players from 5 or 6 different states.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Master KChief on November 06, 2008, 03:59:45 PM
North Central Regionals had 40+ (easily) as well as players from 5 or 6 different states.

+1. i was there.

nc regionals was a blast. the host was a totally awesome guy (he even handed out orientation folders!), and who doesnt like hanging out with chris bany and kevin shride? :)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on November 06, 2008, 06:25:55 PM
North Central Regionals had 40+ (easily) as well as players from 5 or 6 different states.

+1. i was there.

nc regionals was a blast. the host was a totally awesome guy (he even handed out orientation folders!), and who doesnt like hanging out with chris bany and kevin shride? :)
Daniel/Daniel/Kirk/RR/colin arebetter  8)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on November 06, 2008, 07:03:20 PM
Since I now live in Florida, I would love to have Nats in Georgia since I could actually go.

With that said, I will repeat what I have said in past threads regarding this topic. The west coast deserves a Nats. It's time for change...... again.....  8)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Lawfuldog on November 06, 2008, 07:08:38 PM
TX for nats 09'? I think so.  :-*
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Master KChief on November 06, 2008, 08:02:20 PM
texas would be awesome too, i loved it when i visited dallas.

it really doesnt matter to me where nationals is at; first of all, im in kansas city, which means im equal distance from pretty much everywhere, and second of all, i love to road trip! :)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on November 06, 2008, 09:55:16 PM
North Central Regionals had 40+ (easily) as well as players from 5 or 6 different states.

This is from MJB (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=11906.msg181358#msg181358):
"NC Regional had 70 players last year and only 35 this year."
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Chronic Apathy on November 06, 2008, 09:56:01 PM
Hey Marti, can I catch a ride with you guys?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TheMarti on November 06, 2008, 09:57:13 PM
If we drive, of course.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Bryon on November 07, 2008, 12:17:48 AM
As the regional tournaments were finishing, I had a whole thread devoted to the exact counts at the regional tournaments this past year.  I got the counts from every regional tournament in 2008.  None topped 35.

It is simple fairness: so far there have been 14 nationals on the east side of the Rockies and 0 nationals on the west side.  1 nationals in the West every 15 years isn't too much to ask, is it?  The players in the west have been asked to think of the players in the east for 14 years.  Can the players in the east think of us for once?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TheMarti on November 07, 2008, 12:29:42 AM
I do agree... and I would be more inclined to agree if there would be a way you could provide free lodging. The plane ticket is cheaper than Shipwreckers going to MN... and the furthest west I've been is Columbus, OH. So it'd be pretty sweet.

So, CA or GA for Nats 09!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: lightningninja on November 07, 2008, 12:33:40 AM
CA for Nats' 09! And we'll have a bigger group this year than last year even. I have alone taught about 6 new people how to play.... we're trying.... perhaps a national tourney is exactly what we need to boost out showings.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on November 07, 2008, 12:39:24 AM
I personally think it's a bad Idea to put Nats in California because yes you had X people but that X number of people is probably not enough to support a national tournament, and you can't count on people traveling out to Cali in the middle off the summer when everything is the most expensive
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on November 07, 2008, 01:52:12 AM
I personally think it's a bad Idea to put Nats in California because yes you had X people but that X number of people is probably not enough to support a national tournament, and you can't count on people traveling out to Cali in the middle off the summer when everything is the most expensive
That last argument doesn't work. NY is Very pricey.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on November 07, 2008, 01:55:22 AM
I don't think NY is a good Idea for the same reasons
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on November 07, 2008, 02:14:31 AM
Neither did I, As much as I loved it but hey I was just pointing out that it has been done in places with high costs.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TheMarti on November 07, 2008, 09:00:48 AM
PA for Nats 2010! Oh wait... am I too far ahead?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: everytribe on November 07, 2008, 10:57:30 AM
I would't mind taking a trip to California. I think they should have a Nationals sometime soon. I would just make it part of a family vacation.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: STAMP on November 07, 2008, 11:09:28 AM
I would't mind taking a trip to California. I think they should have a Nationals sometime soon. I would just make it part of a family vacation.

That's the spirit!  Bill has the right idea.  You have to think outside the Redemption box.  SoCal has so many opportunities for a complete family vacation coinciding with a Redemption tournament.   :)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TechnoEthicist on November 07, 2008, 11:56:17 AM
hmm.. CA for Nats...that definitely would have potential  ;D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: SoulSaver on November 07, 2008, 11:59:49 AM
Well, as long as I can remember we GA people have been waiting for Natz way before you CA people even thought about it. Poor Eric *No pants* Largent is still waiting for his turn. Year after year we've been turned down, it's our turn!!!!!!!!! :'(
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: DaClock on November 07, 2008, 12:10:06 PM
Well, as long as I can remember we GA people have been waiting for Natz way before you CA people even thought about it. Poor Eric *No pants* Largent is still waiting for his turn. Year after year we've been turned down, it's our turn!!!!!!!!! :'(

Has Eric submitted applications to host nationals in the past? I wasn't aware of that. The only people that are "turned down" are the people that submit a bid for nationals. The opinions of the people on the boards don't have a lot of bearing on where nationals ultimately ends up.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: SoulSaver on November 07, 2008, 12:16:49 PM
Oh, I realize that the people don't have a bearing on where Natz ends up. You know what, Eric never went into details. So I'm not quite sure if he submitted a bid or not. I guess that's what he's done over the years. :-\
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on November 07, 2008, 01:24:44 PM
you can't count on people traveling out to Cali in the middle off the summer when everything is the most expensive

Since Cal has a Mediterranean climate (the Los Angeles area, anyways), there's not much of a seasonal pricing change, as tourists arrive year-round.  The only exception may be hotels, though that changes just about everywhere.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Schaef on November 07, 2008, 01:34:02 PM
Rates obviously vary depending on other circumstances, but I just checked Travelocity, and right now, I can buy a ticket from Columbus to LAX the weekend of Dec. 9 for $180, or the weekend of Aug. 6, 09, for $400.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Prof Underwood on November 07, 2008, 01:40:21 PM
In spite of the people on the boards opinions probably not mattering much on this subject, I'll go ahead and share mine :)

I think that once in 15 years is not too much to ask.

I think that if they can pull 60 from their region alone (which seems reasonable), that there would be 65 other people from around the country who would travel there, making the turnout similar to '08.  Realistically, if a person is flying, then it doesn't seem like it really matters where they are flying to, the price and time would not seem to be significantly different.

I think that they would definitely be able to find facilities that could handle Nats, and be close to an airport, and be close to plenty of places to eat and sleep.  The have a playtester (Bryon) who seems more than willing to do what it takes to make it happen.  So I think it would work.

Therefore, my objective mind says that California '09 is probably the best plan (in spite of the fact that I probably wouldn't go).

P.S.  My selfish personal opinion would be that Georgia is a great plan, because that would be easy for me to drive to.  And I have family there.  And they also have all the same things California has (airport, food, lodging, playtester Largent, etc.).  And since it was North last year, then having it somewhere South (GA or TX seem most likely) also makes sense.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: robm on November 07, 2008, 03:55:42 PM

It seems far to me that it be out in CA if it has never been out that way. Eventhough it would be difficult for me to get there being in Kentucky. 
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on November 08, 2008, 11:29:16 AM
CA is way expensive compared to Ga
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Soundman2 on November 11, 2008, 06:14:24 PM
all you from CA do realize the reasons you can't come out to us are same reasons we can't come to you
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: 777Godspeed on November 11, 2008, 06:22:43 PM
you have a family of 5 to take on a Natz '09/vacation also? that is great.   ;)


Godspeed,
Mike
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on November 11, 2008, 06:53:19 PM
Soundman has a point. Iowa's regions was just as big as yours, but more central.  Lets not forget the MN had the biggest turn out, followed by KC.

Nationals will be bigger, and bigger is better in this case.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on November 11, 2008, 07:02:27 PM
all you from CA do realize the reasons you can't come out to us are same reasons we can't come to you

Yes we do understand it but does it mean that we should never get to host on the West coast because its hard for someone to get here.  Those of us on the west coast aren't saying were the biggest play groups or the most central location but we are saying we would like the same oppurtunity from time to time that so many other players get.  Apart of a National tournament is getting new players interested so that they purchase products.  The west coast is the place that could see the biggest growth due to a national tourney.  Just more opinion but  we can't say its hard for players to get to location A or B and discredit that location all together.  Different parts of the country need the oppurtunity to do tourneys at this level to increase the excitement in the game across the entire nation.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on November 11, 2008, 07:22:01 PM
all you from CA do realize the reasons you can't come out to us are same reasons we can't come to you

That is an invalid argument.  If the regions are the same size, than your argument also states that we can't have it on the east coast because it is too far for US on the west coast to travel.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on November 11, 2008, 09:21:49 PM
all you from CA do realize the reasons you can't come out to us are same reasons we can't come to you

However, other regions have had Natz while the west coast has not. There needs to at least be representation if equality is not possible.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: darkvariant on November 12, 2008, 12:36:26 AM
I agree. Rob should just make it so that Natz is at Cactus headquarters every year at the same time so people automatically know where and when it is. Maybe that would stop people from complaining.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on November 12, 2008, 12:38:24 AM
If Rob would put Nats anywhere permanently it should be either Iowa or Minnesota   
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on November 12, 2008, 01:16:59 AM
Putting Nats at one location only may sound simpler but reality says that alot of major play groups outside of that one location could lose a few top players who continue playing redemption because of the fun they have at Nats. And if they knew there local area couldn't host a Nats it might cause them to slowly fall away from the game and if the top players start falling off there will be fewer new players being brought in. 

Having Nats move around to different locations actually keeps interest in the game higher.  Yes it does cause discussion but that isn't a bad thing.  We all want Nats to come near us so we can have our chance to play.  Moving Nats around gives big boosts to play groups that host Nats.  New players get to experience the fun and fellowship and that can cause them to stay in the game long term.  I know there are more then a few players that continue to play because of the fun they had a Nats tourney.

So us on the west coast (California, Oregon and Washington) just want that same chance to let the players out here experience the greatness that is the Nats tourney.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TechnoEthicist on November 12, 2008, 08:41:06 AM
To those of you that want the location in your state...get all of the pieces together and make a bid...get all of the playgroups in that area and make plans...we started planning for Ohio in August of 2007 (Schaef doing a TON of work finding locations and prices while we discussed via Skype and email pros and cons of ideas) Think of it like a business proposal. I have heard some great reasons for both locations, so now as they say, the ball is in your court...Naysayers, if it's not in the central US again, it won't be the end of the world, we've had our shot...and there are lots of players elsewhere...just some thoughts  ;D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on November 12, 2008, 11:15:44 AM
If Rob would put Nats anywhere permanently it should be either Iowa or Minnesota   
no it shouldn't
cause then i'd NEVER make it
if anywhere, it should be Georgia or Tennessee(i don't care what anybody says, TN needs a nats)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on November 12, 2008, 12:27:46 PM
If Rob would put Nats anywhere permanently it should be either Iowa or Minnesota  

That would be the worst decision Cactus would ever make.  Are you going to isolate SO many players by making a certain location permanent?  No, it is a bad decision based on the players and based on business. 


Raven, if you think TN needs a Nats, start working on a bid!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on November 12, 2008, 12:44:32 PM
in the words of myself on my show av Shav: "Wha?"
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on November 12, 2008, 01:48:57 PM
in the words of myself on my show av Shav: "Wha?"

If you want Nats in TN, work for it!  But don't just keep talking without doing.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on November 12, 2008, 01:49:27 PM
in the words of myself on my show av Shav: "Wha?"
come up with a reason of why it should be in TN! nobody is going to move nats for one person, I'm sorry to say, but they choose nats for large playgroups in good locations for the majority.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on November 12, 2008, 03:42:20 PM
Or they chose locations really close to cool locations like DISNEYLAND!!!! ::) California for Nats 09!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: lightningninja on November 12, 2008, 04:25:42 PM
not we're getting somewhere. XD
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Minister Polarius on November 12, 2008, 05:36:36 PM
Disneyland is boring. Disney World is where it's at.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: thestrongangel on November 12, 2008, 05:40:45 PM
TN is where they should have it (face it, its where the celebs are) lol.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on November 12, 2008, 06:36:19 PM
Disneyland is boring. Disney World is where it's at.

FL?  lol!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: 777Godspeed on November 12, 2008, 08:29:02 PM
If it is in So. Cal., you have Disneyland, Sea World, Knotts Berry Farm, San Diego Zoo, LA Zoo, Six Flags, Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show, Medieval Times, The Wax Museum, Dodger Stadium, Anahiem Stadium, San Juan Capistrano, Lego Land, Deep Sea fishing, ocean boardwalks, Palm Springs, Wild Animal Park and a myriad of other places of interest all within approximately 15 mins - 3 hrs. If planning on making a vacation out of it, there is alot to offer. You have LAX, San Diego, Ontario, and Orange County as major airports that I can remember off the top of my head (depending on where in So. Cal. Natz was held). All these activities are just scratching the surface of what is around there. Southern California can bring the numbers that will get attention for a National Tournament. So, start saving, pack your bags and plan on visiting Southern California for Natz '09.    :2cents:     ;D


Godspeed,
Mike
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 12, 2008, 08:36:19 PM
:2cents:
This is the first time that I have ever seen this used!!!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on November 13, 2008, 03:29:48 AM
Besides... Chuck Norris lives in Southern California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrance,_Ca#Notable_residents).
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on November 13, 2008, 03:50:16 AM
Or they chose locations really close to cool locations like DISNEYLAND!!!! ::) California for Nats 09!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D


Pfft Fl has epcot, MGM, Animal kingdom AND disney world. We also have Sea world, bush gardens, wonderworks, and probably some things I am forgetting. Not that I am arguing for FL to go cuz we simply don't have a super duper large playgroup atm but as much as attractions go, I think FL is winning. We also have tons of beaches within an hour drive.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: metalpsalm on November 13, 2008, 06:14:33 AM
Besides... Chuck Norris lives in Southern California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrance,_Ca#Notable_residents).

What if Chuck Norris played Redemption? He could eat Bucklers and create Faithful Servant Promos with his beard.
He helped Huckabee win Iowa... I'm calling him!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on November 13, 2008, 09:11:53 AM
and Iowa has lots and lots of fields!!!!!!!!!! oh, wait, that's not helping

they do have Adventure Land though
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on November 13, 2008, 11:28:54 AM
Besides... Chuck Norris lives in Southern California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrance,_Ca#Notable_residents).

What if Chuck Norris played Redemption? He could eat Bucklers and create Faithful Servant Promos with his beard.
He helped Huckabee win Iowa... I'm calling him!
you all might not know this but chuck norris was in a movie with the greatest martial artist in history: Bruce Lee!!!!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Schaef on November 13, 2008, 11:58:44 AM
I thought you were going to say Jonathan Brandis.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Guardian on November 13, 2008, 12:02:44 PM
I thought he was going to say Chuck Norris likes Tennessee
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Soundman2 on November 13, 2008, 01:18:43 PM
all you from CA do realize the reasons you can't come out to us are same reasons we can't come to you

That is an invalid argument.  If the regions are the same size, than your argument also states that we can't have it on the east coast because it is too far for US on the west coast to travel.

its not an argument its a statement  
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 13, 2008, 05:38:43 PM
This whole east coast/west coast problem is easily solved...Have the tournaments in Minnesota!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on November 13, 2008, 05:43:36 PM
 +1
and Bubble boy be ready for a flame storm
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on November 13, 2008, 06:05:10 PM
*pushes the flame war button* "Warning: starting a Flame War will result in: blindness, muteness, deafness, decrease in sanity, increase in chance of bannage and 100% of prooving everyone who hasn't been in the flame war is smarter then you"

This whole east coast/west coast problem is easily solved...Have the tournaments in Minnesota!
i'm just gonna turn around and walk away cause this is the dumbest comment i'v ever read in my life.
*turns around and walks away*
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on November 13, 2008, 06:06:36 PM
This whole east coast/west coast problem is easily solved...Have the tournaments in Minnesota!
I'm just gonna turn around and walk away cause this is the dumbest comment I've ever read in my life.
*turns around and walks away*
It's true and I can prove it
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on November 13, 2008, 06:12:38 PM
This whole east coast/west coast problem is easily solved...Have the tournaments in Minnesota!
I'm just gonna turn around and walk away cause this is the dumbest comment I've ever read in my life.
*turns around and walks away*
It's true and I can prove it

i want the 5 seconds of my life back!  >:(
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TechnoEthicist on November 13, 2008, 06:43:10 PM
Ok, seriously guys, if you have nothing useful to say with this thread please just read it and move on...we know the reasons people want in MN, we know the reasons people want it in CA, we know the reasons people want in GA and TN and Timbucktu and Anarctica, Istanbul, Australia and/or  the moon...we get that...now comes the work...make your opinions matter. Come around your playgroups and submit a bid. This pettiness of which area is better because of super population or whatever is getting old...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Schaef on November 14, 2008, 01:31:44 AM
One of my big selling points for hosting the tournament in Columbus, OH was that some 2/3 of the U.S. population is within a day's driving distance.  The simple fact of the mater is that the bulk of the population is on the East Coast and Midwest, and most of the remainder (in terms of major population centers) is spread out along the southern states and the area west of the Rockies.  The argument that some players have to fly all the way over to our side of the country is outweighed by the large number of players who would have to fly three to five times farther than they've ever had to drive/fly in their lives.  That's not to say that the tournament cannot or should not be held in California, only that the "we come to you, you come to us" argument is not logistically balanced.

The people who acknowledge this imbalance, and say "we just want one every ten years or so" are on the right track.  My one concern with making next year the one year is that the economy is probably going to take another year or so to level off, and people might not be inclined to make that huge trip in those tight circumstances.  Attendance in Columbus, a far more accessible location, was down some 30% from our early projections, and we were REALLY glad to still have that many people attending, and the worst of the housing slide hadn't even hit at that point.  Any tournament in 09 will be lucky to approach 150, but I think Cali in 09 would be even lower still.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 14, 2008, 07:07:14 AM
Although the only way I would be able to make it is if it were in Minnesota, I do think Ohio would be a great place to host.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TheMarti on November 14, 2008, 08:15:07 AM
That's true Schaef, I never thought about that. So it's more like CA 2010, so after the economy corrects itself, we'll be more able to make the trip.

And, I agree with Schaef. You guys DO deserve it once in awhile, but the economy is something that should be taken into consideration. The minute the Shipwreckers thought that CA was going to be considered... well, some of us panicked. LOL.

~Marti
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: lightningninja on November 14, 2008, 05:19:02 PM
And once again, the point is not that we need one in Cali so that everyone can make it, just in a different location. The point is that the CA players need a natz, not everyone else needs to come to CA for natz. It's about the players, not the location. If you've seen my thread, I will be hosting tourneys in my San Diego area, and Bryon and Mr. Wolfe are already hosting touneys is CA. That makes three tourney hosts for 3 different groups of people that all would go to Natz. That alone would be about 80 people(my grout should be about 6-10, depending on how many people can make it). So my point is this: even if NO ONE else can make it (which is not the case) I think the CA people alone should be enough of a reason to make in in CA once in 15 years. We just want a chance. Perhaps we'll suprise you and we won't have such fewer people after all. :)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on November 14, 2008, 05:29:18 PM
Yet if you did it in MN 125+ people would come  ::)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 14, 2008, 06:29:37 PM
It's true that Minnesota has a large number of players, but still, if we held Nats in Minnesota, it would probably be only Minnesotans there.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: STAMP on November 14, 2008, 06:39:47 PM
As others have already noted, it comes down to whomever applies.


Ideally, though, a rotation like the following could work well:

Northern mideast/midwest
Southern mideast/midwest
East
Northern mideast/midwest
Southern mideast/midwest
West
Northern mideast/midwest
Southern mideast/midwest
East
Northern mideast/midwest
Southern mideast/midwest
West

Once every 6 years, the East and West could get a Nats while 4 out of every 6 years most of the Redemption community would get to attend Nats.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Spy on November 14, 2008, 08:33:40 PM
As others have already noted, it comes down to whomever applies.


Ideally, though, a rotation like the following could work well:

Northern mideast/midwest
Southern mideast/midwest
East
Northern mideast/midwest
Southern mideast/midwest
West
Northern mideast/midwest
Southern mideast/midwest
East
Northern mideast/midwest
Southern mideast/midwest
West

Once every 6 years, the East and West could get a Nats while 4 out of every 6 years most of the Redemption community would get to attend Nats.

Despite the many variables involved in the selection process, that formula is brilliant and simple. Furthermore, it is dependable. +1
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on November 14, 2008, 10:04:39 PM
A set rotation would be nice for tourney hosts too because they would have a certain number of years to prepare.  Also it would be nice for players because if I knew the regions that the Nats tourney would be each year it could make planning on attending easier.  And Stamps rotation gives the bigger playing areas more Nats but still taking the far east and west into consideration.

And as for the CA numbers you have to remember there is a Nevada group and an Oregon group that are already talking about going to Nats if hosted in CA which could add another 20+ people.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: 777Godspeed on November 14, 2008, 10:09:32 PM
My suburban will be full, which is 8 players. If I can get another driver and SUV or van that would be another 8 or so also.


Godspeed,
Mike
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on November 14, 2008, 10:55:34 PM
Mike I can just picture you driving a "REDEMPTION MOBLE" LOL 
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TheMarti on November 15, 2008, 02:04:53 AM
Hey, we had the official transportation of Nats 08... did you meet the big blue buckler..

Now only if I can find the pics we have of it...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on November 15, 2008, 09:35:40 AM
..Good times, good times
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Bryon on November 15, 2008, 11:35:44 AM
My vote is either:
1) CA if Rob can afford to fly
2) NC/Georgia if Rob needs it close to home

I really, really want it in CA this year.  It is once in 15 years for the west side of the Rockies.  However, if Cactus needs to save $ due to the current economy, then I'd pay to fly Kurt and I to GA/NC so Rob could have a short drive.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: lightningninja on November 15, 2008, 03:39:11 PM
My vote is either:
1) CA if Rob can afford to fly
2) NC/Georgia if Rob needs it close to home

I really, really want it in CA this year.  It is once in 15 years for the west side of the Rockies.  However, if Cactus needs to save $ due to the current economy, then I'd pay to fly Kurt and I to GA/NC so Rob could have a short drive.
and me too, right Bryon? :P ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Gabe on November 15, 2008, 03:56:01 PM
My vote is either:
1) CA if Rob can afford to fly
2) NC/Georgia if Rob needs it close to home

I really, really want it in CA this year.  It is once in 15 years for the west side of the Rockies.  However, if Cactus needs to save $ due to the current economy, then I'd pay to fly Kurt and I to GA/NC so Rob could have a short drive.

It would only cost you one plane ticket to fly Rob to CA but I don't know if he'd travel to Nats without his family.  :)

BTW, I think Nats '09 should be in Iowa so everyone can come see the world's largest strawberry. (http://www.worldslargestthings.com/iowa/strawberry.htm)

:D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: 777Godspeed on November 25, 2008, 08:40:08 PM
Mark your calanders for March 7th, 2009.

With gas prices down we expect Kansas to be back, along with Wisconsin, Nebraska and Iowa. Maybe the Canadians will make it this year. And with Nationals being in California this year who knows maybe the Georgians will put in an appearence since they might not make it to Nationals.

Details to follow after the new year.

Were warming up for everybody. Last Friday at game night we put a game together to challenge BmJayBee83 our very own 2nd place finisher at 2008 Nathionals in Type 2 Multi player. We put him at a table with one Random High School Kid, one Random College Student and one Random Old Guy. He placed 4th. Life is tough here in the North Country.

Stay warm this winter, keep your long underwear on. We do.

Bill

You heard it here first folks, Natz '09 is gonna be in Sunny Southern California.   8)
Actual link for above info.
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=13515.0 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=13515.0)

Godspeed,
Mike

Disclaimer - This information may or maynot be accurate.   :D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: lightningninja on November 25, 2008, 08:45:05 PM
As awesome as that is... I'm not getting my hopes up till Rob Anderson announces it.  8)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on November 25, 2008, 08:54:52 PM
California is a city in Minnesota.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: DaClock on November 25, 2008, 09:04:35 PM
California is a city in Minnesota.

Lol, way to solve all the problems in the universe.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on November 26, 2008, 02:00:44 AM
California is a city in Minnesota.
Thankfully, my third grade teacher spent three weeks on context clues, which proves:
A. Everytribe was referring to the golden state, and
B. I actually will use that stuff I learned in the real world.


On a related note, we've got a Minnesota, CA.  In fact, it's mere miles from Anderson, CA.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on November 26, 2008, 08:41:58 AM
FWIW, I have been pushing for a west coast Nats since last year's "Where will Nats be?" thread, even though I am a lifelong east-coaster. I was just trying to make Ben laugh.  ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on November 26, 2008, 09:45:32 AM
On a related note, we've got a Minnesota, CA.  In fact, it's mere miles from Anderson, CA.
but that wouldn't be Minnesota, that would be Callifornia, where as
California is a city state in Minnesota.
makes everyone happy, because Minnesota can be 2 states at once. more amazing Minnesota facts.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: STAMP on November 26, 2008, 12:02:59 PM
Well, MN certainly has enough lakes for more than one state.   ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on November 26, 2008, 12:28:45 PM
yep
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Schaef on November 26, 2008, 01:00:52 PM
Well, MN certainly has enough lakes for more than one state.   ;)

Yup, Minnesota, Land of 11,842 Lakes.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on November 26, 2008, 01:55:23 PM
Well, MN certainly has enough lakes for more than one state.   ;)

Yup, Minnesota, Land of 11,842 Lakes.
Do you hear that Marylanders (is that a word...? People who live in Maryland). We have exact 11,842 more lakes than you! Go ahead, we'll let you wish you were as cool as us :P

EDIT: To those who don't know; Maryland doesn't have any (natural) lakes.g
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on November 26, 2008, 06:22:21 PM

EDIT: To those who don't know; Maryland doesn't have any (natural) lakes.g

Wow you really do learn something new every day.  I had no clue Maryland had no natural lakes.  I'll have to use that for a trivia question with my youth group tonight.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: darkvariant on November 26, 2008, 11:31:42 PM
Not to one up Minnesota or anything (come to think of it that's exactly why) Manitoba is the land of 100 000 lakes.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: everytribe on November 27, 2008, 12:37:39 AM
Not to one up Minnesota or anything (come to think of it that's exactly why) Manitoba is the land of 100 000 lakes.

I guess we better have Nationals in Manitoba 8)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on November 27, 2008, 12:38:12 AM
yes
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Tsavong Lah on November 27, 2008, 03:47:01 AM
Not to one up all of you at the same time, but California has the pacific ocean, which pwns all over your puny lakes. :laugh:
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 27, 2008, 07:45:50 AM
You got 11,842 from Wikipedia, didn't you? ;) It's actually more like 15,000, although I don't remember the exact number.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on November 27, 2008, 09:02:45 AM
Yup, Minnesota, Land of 11,842 Lakes.
We've got a basketball team out here named after your lakes...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: 777Godspeed on November 27, 2008, 09:16:43 PM
You have a basketball team named  Land of 11,842 Lakes?   :)


Godspeed,
Mike
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on November 27, 2008, 11:02:37 PM
The Lakers.

They were named after the lakes in MN, where the team was first organized (before the team moved to Los Angeles).
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on November 27, 2008, 11:15:55 PM
I live in the only county in Minnesota without a natural lake. the man made one is filled with polution and junk. it's sickeningly sad
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: franta012 on November 27, 2008, 11:45:33 PM
Not to one up all of you at the same time, but California has the pacific ocean, which pwns all over your puny lakes. :laugh:


Too bad the United States doesn't OWN the Pacific Ocean.  hahahaha


edit:  "There are 11,842 lakes over 10 acres in size"
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on November 27, 2008, 11:51:09 PM
The US controls the waters within 200 feet from shore according to international law, though, right?
Besides, if the Canadians can own that waterway near them, manifest destiny would require the US to own the Pacific...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: darkvariant on November 28, 2008, 03:27:20 AM
So your claiming because the Romans were amazing, you get  the pacific?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Tsavong Lah on November 28, 2008, 03:46:51 AM
The Lakers.

They were named after the lakes in MN, where the team was first organized (before the team moved to Los Angeles).

Yeah! Go LA!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on November 28, 2008, 04:16:54 AM
So your claiming because the Romans were amazing, you get  the pacific?

I didn't realize I said anything of the sort, but if it helps get Nats out here, I'll take it...  ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on November 28, 2008, 01:12:00 PM
nats in AL!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: thestrongangel on November 28, 2008, 03:00:50 PM
nats in AL!

Won't happen
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Guardian on November 28, 2008, 06:53:38 PM
No need to be negative...everyone else has certainly exercised their right to post where they would like it, so he can too.  :)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 28, 2008, 08:08:32 PM
Yeah, I don't see his argument as weaker than anyone else's. :P
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: redemption99 on November 28, 2008, 08:45:24 PM
Somewhere in the midwest should work for everyone  :P
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 28, 2008, 09:04:25 PM
Yeah...like Minnesota! :D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Lozo777 on November 28, 2008, 09:20:28 PM
Africa 09! lol
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on November 29, 2008, 10:52:57 AM
Africa 09! lol
where in Africa? you mean there are going to be 2 national tournaments?!!!! which one is Rob going to?!!! :o
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: thestrongangel on November 29, 2008, 10:54:24 AM
The second one
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on November 29, 2008, 11:25:28 AM
I hope it's not MN  AL or GA.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: thestrongangel on November 29, 2008, 12:08:55 PM
You just said you wanted it in AL
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: redemption99 on November 29, 2008, 01:16:15 PM
I hope it's anywhere in the midwest, south, or east coast  :P
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on November 29, 2008, 01:22:24 PM
You just said you wanted it in AL

He may have thought that AL was the abbreviation for Alaska, but when he discovered it was Alabama he was against it.

where in Africa? you mean there are going to be 2 national tournaments?!!!! which one is Rob going to?!!! :o

Africa is a city in Minnesota.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on November 29, 2008, 02:04:16 PM
which Minnesota?  XD
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Guardian on November 29, 2008, 03:31:34 PM
I hope it's not MN  AL or GA.

I believe this is a case of a missing period. I think the intent was:

I hope it's not MN. [I want] AL or GA.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on November 29, 2008, 04:16:49 PM
which Minnesota?  XD
the city in Minnesota. yuppers! Minnesota, Minnesota!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on November 29, 2008, 04:56:44 PM
oops
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on November 29, 2008, 05:11:00 PM
oops
???
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on November 29, 2008, 05:14:41 PM
???

He was likely saying "oops" about the confusion on whether he wants Nats in AL or not. Several of us have posted about it within the last ten posts of this thread.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on November 29, 2008, 05:18:11 PM
???

He was likely saying "oops" about the confusion on whether he wants Nats in AL or not. Several of us have posted about it within the last ten posts of this thread.
aha thankyou for clarification
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 29, 2008, 06:40:38 PM
Thankyou is a funny-looking word; it looks Japanese at first glance.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on November 29, 2008, 06:58:43 PM
Thankyou is a funny-looking word; it looks Japanese at first glance.
random of topicness ftl
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 29, 2008, 07:02:41 PM
That's how I roll. 8)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on November 30, 2008, 12:16:46 AM
Thankyou is a funny-looking word; it looks Japanese at first glance.

Could be because it's really two words ('thank you')...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 30, 2008, 06:16:54 AM
That could contribute to the Japaneseiness.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on November 30, 2008, 04:19:41 PM
That could contribute to the Japaneseiness.

yay, madeupwordificationafied
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 30, 2008, 04:27:54 PM
Madeupwordificationified...gosh. ::)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Gil Galad Elven King *Generic on December 10, 2008, 12:46:08 PM
I'm probably weighing in a little late on this topic, but my personal choice would be CA for 2009 because 1. They deserve it 2. They've got the numbers and 3. I probably won't be able to go in 2009 anyway with my wedding being around that time.

THEN, in 2010 let's shoot for GA.  That way I can help with the hosting, and get our tournaments back rolling by that time. 

So yea,

2009 - CA
2010 - GA
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on December 10, 2008, 02:41:41 PM
2009-GA                                                                                     2010-CA
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on December 10, 2008, 04:19:31 PM
I'm probably weighing in a little late on this topic, but my personal choice would be CA for 2009 because 1. They deserve it 2. They've got the numbers and 3. I probably won't be able to go in 2009 anyway with my wedding being around that time.

THEN, in 2010 let's shoot for GA.  That way I can help with the hosting, and get our tournaments back rolling by that time. 

So yea,

2009 - CA
2010 - GA


We should honor the final wish of a free man going into slavery...I mean marriage.  Just kidding about the slavery part.  ;)  I do like the CA in 09 and GA in 10 idea.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: lightningninja on December 10, 2008, 04:38:12 PM
I'm probably weighing in a little late on this topic, but my personal choice would be CA for 2009 because 1. They deserve it 2. They've got the numbers and 3. I probably won't be able to go in 2009 anyway with my wedding being around that time.

THEN, in 2010 let's shoot for GA.  That way I can help with the hosting, and get our tournaments back rolling by that time. 

So yea,

2009 - CA
2010 - GA

yes, you're late, but yes, I agree. I would be fine with that(not that what I am fine with matters). Any say, Rob? What do you think?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 11, 2008, 05:16:26 PM
CA is waay to expensive for our whole family to go.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on December 12, 2008, 10:43:00 AM
CA is waay to expensive for our whole family to go.

Megabus. Megabus! Megabus!!!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: 777Godspeed on December 12, 2008, 10:58:35 AM
Megabus. Megabus! Megabus!!!

is the Megabus just for passengers? if it is,  you can also think about pitching in and getting one of those RVs that sleeps (insert # here), hauls your food, Redemption supplies and whatnot. Divide the cost out over the number of players riding. You have transportation and a place to sleep.  ;D

Godspeed,
Mike
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 12, 2008, 06:26:30 PM
CA is waay to expensive for our whole family to go.

Megabus. Megabus! Megabus!!!
I don't think that goes to CA... let me check

*EDIT* it does not.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on December 15, 2008, 09:10:37 PM
Ha.  Made you look.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: everytribe on December 15, 2008, 11:25:28 PM
We will just rent a coach. I bet we could fill it up with people from the Midwest and Canada.

Redemptionbus! Redemptionbus!! Redemptionbus!!!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: 777Godspeed on December 15, 2008, 11:42:35 PM
Now that is the spirit.


Godspeed,
Mike
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on December 15, 2008, 11:45:52 PM
my gosh a redemption bus could be so much fun, even if you never made it to the tourney lol
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on December 16, 2008, 12:49:55 PM
We will just rent a coach. I bet we could fill it up with people from the Midwest and Canada.

I just grabbed a quick quote to rent a coach from St. Paul to Hollywood in early August. The cost per person would be around $300 if we had 55 people interested. Beats airfare.

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Redemptionbus! Redemptionbus!! Redemptionbus!!!

We could have the Shippenburg (sp?!?) folk decorate it.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TheMarti on December 16, 2008, 04:11:34 PM
I'm so in for that. LOL.

And you were close. It's Shippensburg. :)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Guardian on December 17, 2008, 04:04:09 AM
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I just grabbed a quick quote to rent a coach from St. Paul to Hollywood in early August. The cost per person would be around $300 if we had 55 people interested. Beats airfare.

Unfortunately, I'm guessing the cost of food along the way there and back would basically negate any savings over airfare... :-\
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Tsavong Lah on December 17, 2008, 06:12:15 AM
Actually, it would probably just interrupt and prevent.

Buh-Dum-Ching!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 17, 2008, 10:15:08 AM
Actually, it would probably just interrupt and prevent.

Buh-Dum-Ching!
interrupt + prevent=negate. either way, it's going to be expensive either way.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: dookufan96 on December 17, 2008, 01:05:07 PM
Florida 09 BABY!!!  :prayer:
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on December 17, 2008, 01:09:05 PM
Florida 09 BABY!!!  :prayer:
errrm its beyond a doubt that its either Ga OR Ca
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Prof Underwood on December 17, 2008, 02:17:28 PM
errrm its beyond a doubt that its either Ga OR Ca
I hate to state the obvious, but this is inaccurate.  Georgia and California have gotten the most support on the forum so far.  However the actual choosing of the Nats location is completely up to Rob, and could take into account many factors which have not even been brought up here on the forum.  Therefore, Nats '09 could actually be in almost any state at this point.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on December 17, 2008, 02:22:33 PM
Prof Underwood is very correct but with all the cold weather and snow going on in the U.S I'm voting for some where that is nice and warm year round.  I know every where is nice and warm in August but as cold as I am just thinking warm is nice.  Oh and I'm still voting california because I might be able to take a group of my youth with me to play. :)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Guardian on December 17, 2008, 03:48:40 PM
Don't be surprised if Iowa becomes a dark horse candidate...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: DaClock on December 17, 2008, 05:29:02 PM
If by "dark horse," you mean "was actually the plan all along," then I agree. Kevin was talking about having it in Iowa at Nationals and Iowa has a lot of potential. Central location, driving distance for majority of players (including all of the players in MN...), airport, inexpensive place to stay, etc.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: franta012 on December 17, 2008, 11:41:06 PM
There's an airport in IOWA?!?!?!! ahaha.   ;D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on December 18, 2008, 07:22:43 AM
Well, I don't know much about location myself, but I'm beginning to have a feeling that I will never be able to make it to nationals. :'( The last time it was in MN, I had to go to a funeral, and my dad won't take me further than an hour's drive from home....So everyone just go on without me. *sniffle, sniffle* I'll be fine. :'(
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 18, 2008, 09:20:50 AM
you could try to convince Bill Voigt (Everytribe) to swing by your place in order for you to get to Iowa. just chip in a few bucks for gas... that is... if it's in Iowa...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on December 18, 2008, 09:28:52 AM
Well, I don't know much about location myself, but I'm beginning to have a feeling that I will never be able to make it to nationals. :'( The last time it was in MN, I had to go to a funeral, and my dad won't take me further than an hour's drive from home....So everyone just go on without me. *sniffle, sniffle* I'll be fine. :'(

Don't worry, MN will get it again.  Just not this year I hope.  CA!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Gabe on December 18, 2008, 09:59:28 AM
There's an airport in IOWA?!?!?!! ahaha.   ;D

Yes, it's actually just a patch of grass next to a corn field and we only fly those old biplanes but we call it an airport...  :laugh:
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on December 18, 2008, 11:10:50 AM
There's an airport in IOWA?!?!?!! ahaha.   ;D

Yes, it's actually just a patch of grass next to a corn field and we only fly those old biplanes but we call it an airport...  :laugh:

Wow in the small town I live in we actually have an old airfield that is just grass next to the corn fields. LOL  Of course if I drive 10 minutes I get to the Salem Airport and they have an actual runway and everything.

CA for Nats '09. (please please please I really want to go to a Nats before I get old :) )
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 18, 2008, 11:24:13 AM
CA for Nats '09. (please please please I really want to go to a Nats before I get old :) )
there are many more others who want to go before they get old too... like BubbleBoy. the majority is closer to Iowa, and we had just as big a regionals as the CA people did.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on December 18, 2008, 04:04:30 PM
Actually, it is mostly about numbers - how many Redemption players will actually be able to attend; but the secondary criteria would be location - making sure no one area gets all the Nationals.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Rubber band warrior on December 18, 2008, 04:50:55 PM
Personally, I like Iowa as a location for Nationals, however, the last two Nationals were pretty close. I'd expect to see it moved around a little if another viable location pops out.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on December 18, 2008, 05:10:41 PM
You mean like CA?.......
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 18, 2008, 05:12:36 PM
You mean like CA?.......
or GA.......
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on December 18, 2008, 05:23:39 PM
You mean like CA?.......
or GA.......

or MN  ;D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Tsavong Lah on December 18, 2008, 05:43:06 PM
...or Antarctica.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on December 18, 2008, 05:45:37 PM
come on!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 18, 2008, 05:45:58 PM
point taken
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on December 18, 2008, 07:43:12 PM
...or Antarctica.

 +1
Antarctica for Nats '09
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on December 18, 2008, 07:55:30 PM
Rob will be lonely.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 18, 2008, 11:12:58 PM
so there will be 2 national tournaments... and the world tournament will be held in antartica?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on December 19, 2008, 01:18:24 AM
yep
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on December 19, 2008, 02:31:30 AM
just think if you won at the worlds tourney you could legitimately say you were "World Champion, Best in the World, The most dominating player in the World."  Ya I could have fun with that.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on December 19, 2008, 02:57:04 AM
CA for Nats '09. (please please please I really want to go to a Nats before I get old :) )
there are many more others who want to go before they get old too... like BubbleBoy. the majority is closer to Iowa, and we had just as big a regionals as the CA people did.

2007 - MO
2006 - NY
2005 - MN
2004 - LA
2003 - PA
2002 - MN
2001 - PA
2000 - MO
1999 - OH

Although he couldn't make it, he's had a couple shots at it being within a hour or so of him.  Couldn't we Cali's have a shot at it being within a couple hours of us?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on December 19, 2008, 06:40:51 AM
I'm sorry; I didn't want my post to make a big difference in your decisions or anything; I just feel depressed that I haven't been able to make any of the nationals so far, even the ones in MN (I didn't start until after 2002, and as I said before, I had to go to a funeral during 2005 Nationals. :() But evn if that mattered, I'm just one person.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 19, 2008, 09:16:31 AM
Although he couldn't make it, he's had a couple shots at it being within a hour or so of him.  Couldn't we Cali's have a shot at it being within a couple hours of us?
CA is much further away then IA for the people on the east coast. I will say it again, you're asking more people to do exactly what you would do.

Also, what would nationals be if Roy, Reggie, Claude, and Christian couldn't come?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on December 19, 2008, 10:26:24 AM
If you put Nats in CA you automatically alienate 2/3 of the Redemption community Iowa on the other hand is manageable distance to travel from both coasts   
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Prof Underwood on December 19, 2008, 10:47:49 AM
If you put Nats in CA you automatically alienate 2/3 of the Redemption community Iowa on the other hand is manageable distance to travel from both coasts   
Iowa is questionably reasonable driving distance for me, and I'm in KY (only halfway to the coast from Iowa).  It is definitely not reasonable driving distance for someone living anywhere on the East or West coasts.  That means someone living there would probably have to fly to get there.  And as long as people are flying, then it really doesn't matter where Nats is, because flight times won't be significantly different.

Basically, no one out west has been able to come to Nats without flying EVER.  It is their turn to get to have Nats withing reasonable driving distance for all of them that don't have the money to fly.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on December 19, 2008, 11:08:39 AM
and when has the East coast not had to drive for hours and days to get their?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on December 19, 2008, 11:24:46 AM
2008- OH
2007 - MO
2006 - NY
2005 - MN
2004 - LA
2003 - PA
2002 - MN
2001 - PA
2000 - MO
1999 - OH
check the bolded
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: wk4c on December 19, 2008, 11:26:51 AM
2008 - OH
2007 - MO
2006 - NY
2005 - MN
2004 - LA
2003 - PA
2002 - MN
2001 - PA
2000 - MO
1999 - OH

Fixed.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on December 19, 2008, 12:05:47 PM
Not that I'm speaking for all west coast people but I think what I have to say can be agreed with by most West coasters.

First we do know a Nats out here would make it difficult for people to attend from the East side.  We just want people to realize every year is hard for us to attend and we do just want one that is easier to make.  It probably wont be the biggest Nats ever but the boost we could get from hosting a Nats could be significant.  Plus it might push some of us to attend more Nats around the nation.

Second getting a Nats WILL help our play groups grow.  Just the possibility of having Nats in CA has brought me back into the game. (I had quit and sold all my cards).  Plus I've had my play group go from 2 to nearly 20 in the past month becuase of the excitement I feel.  I know I can't take all 20 to Nats with me if its in CA but there are a couple of them that are interested.  More players out here helps all of us around the nation.  It keeps the game going and makes things fun with new players.

Third there are some good players out here too who want to have a chance to play in the BIG tourney.  The last few years Nats has only had Ben Arp represent us NW players.  Ben is our best and has represented us well but I know I as well as a few others would like the chance to atleast compete at a nats.

Fourth apart of Nats is giving players the chance to experience different locations and different environments.  Players have the ability to visit some of the different things near where the tourney is located.  Like in MN I know people had talked about going to a Twins baseball game and the Mall of America.  In CA people could go to like Angels or Dodgers game, Disneyland as well as other things. I know that every location has something different for people to see and do so having a Nats in CA gives a new oppurutnity to experience life around the u.s.a.

On a side note I dont' think other locations are better or worse then CA I'm just saying us west coasters have dreamed about this for years.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on December 19, 2008, 01:08:42 PM
No I have not.  What is his screen name?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 19, 2008, 04:22:49 PM
If you put Nats in CA you automatically alienate 2/3 of the Redemption community Iowa on the other hand is manageable distance to travel from both coasts   
Iowa is questionably reasonable driving distance for me, and I'm in KY (only halfway to the coast from Iowa).  It is definitely not reasonable driving distance for someone living anywhere on the East or West coasts.  That means someone living there would probably have to fly to get there.  And as long as people are flying, then it really doesn't matter where Nats is, because flight times won't be significantly different.

Basically, no one out west has been able to come to Nats without flying EVER.  It is their turn to get to have Nats withing reasonable driving distance for all of them that don't have the money to fly.
so basically, you want the west coast to have their own little nats party, plus a few people who found enough money to afford it?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Tsavong Lah on December 19, 2008, 05:24:53 PM
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so basically, you want the west coast to have their own little nats party, plus a few people who found enough money to afford it?

::)

Um, no. Prof's point was that flying to Iowa would cost him just about as much as flying to California, since Iowa is too far for him to drive. I'm confused as to how you could have missed that, especially since Prof doesn't even live on the west coast (and said as much) and so doesn't really have a vested personal interest in having it there.

Also, as far as I know, there's never been a National tournament in the entire western half of the United States. Two of the last four National tournaments have been within a state of you, and one was in your home state itself; are you really going to begrudge hundreds of people in Washington, Oregon, Nevada, and California one year out of fifteen just so you can have Nationals closer to you, again?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: CountFount on December 19, 2008, 08:32:55 PM
Given the economic times, Why not make the regional tourney's a little more interesting? Charge more per Regional participant with the awards being that the Regional 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place winners having their commuting expenses paid for by the Regional entry fees to a NATS tourney, with at large invitations to the Regional RNRS point leaders (no expenses paid) and invitations to local 1st place winners (no expenses paid) to participate if they can afford it.

Wow now that would be a NATS tourney. ;D

Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Ironica on December 19, 2008, 08:52:04 PM
Given the economic times, Why not make the regional tourney's a little more interesting? Charge more per Regional participant with the awards being that the Regional 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place winners having their commuting expenses paid for by the Regional entry fees to a NATS tourney, with at large invitations to the Regional RNRS point leaders (no expenses paid) and invitations to local 1st place winners (no expenses paid) to participate if they can afford it.

Wow now that would be a NATS tourney. ;D

That would be interesting and not a bad idea.

I am also in favor for Natz in Cali (for more than abvious reasons that  live in Cali).

My story is somewhat like NWJosh.  I had a few friends who played together but we all drifted apart (usually happens when we all are active in our own church).  I did start a playgroup at my church that met once a month, but the people who came usually had other things to do that day.  I work all day so I can't try to start one at a school and I've become busy with buying a house and getting ready to go back to school to become a Math teacher (got tired of sitting behind a desk for eight hours a day).  I have basically had no money to get more cards and have no time to play online.  However, once I heard that Natz might come to Cali, I also got more interested in playing again.

I'm hoping that it does come to Cali.  Since there seems like a good chance that it might, I will try really hard to come to the State and Regional this next summer (considering that it's basically a seven to eight hour drive round trip for me).

God Bless
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on December 19, 2008, 09:26:53 PM
Whenever there is a Nats in CA Cactus should announce it 2 years before-hand for a number of reasons 1. To give the WC playgroups time to expand 2. To allow for arrangements to be made and 3. To allow all of the other players to start saving   their money to pay the high prices
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on December 19, 2008, 09:48:24 PM
[YMT's most excellent little rant mostly deleted--mjb]
What happened to the whole "first shall be last" Christian attitude? Why can't we put others' interest before our own? Based on the list of prior Natz, it appears that is exactly what the west coasters have been doing for almost ten years.

Although I would tend to agree with most of the sentiments YMT has expressed, I would point out that the desire to have the largest number of players possible attend Nationals is not a selfish interest. I would prefer it is some way could be to maximize the turnout even given a West Coast location.

Maybe announcing a West Coast Nats for 2010 (barring unforeseen circumstances) at the same time as the 2009 Nats announcement would be a good thing. It would give everyone on this side of the Atlantic continental divide an extra year to arrange vacation schedules or save up a bit extra for flying out. It would also give the West Coast play groups a two year bump for recruitment. Lastly, it would allow the negative nellies a chance to adjust their attitudes a bit.

I'm just spitballin' here.  As I see I was instaposted, I wish JSB23 would let me post my own ideas.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on December 19, 2008, 09:58:41 PM
I've become busy with buying a house and getting ready to go back to school to become a Math teacher

What?  Another math teacher?  Yikes, I sure hope Cactus is getting some kind of kickback for all the math teachers there are playing Redemption...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on December 19, 2008, 10:33:53 PM
[YMT's most excellent little rant mostly deleted--mjb]
What happened to the whole "first shall be last" Christian attitude? Why can't we put others' interest before our own? Based on the list of prior Natz, it appears that is exactly what the west coasters have been doing for almost ten years.

Although I would tend to agree with most of the sentiments YMT has expressed, I would point out that the desire to have the largest number of players possible attend Nationals is not a selfish interest. I would prefer it is some way could be to maximize the turnout even given a West Coast location.

Maybe announcing a West Coast Nats for 2010 (barring unforeseen circumstances) at the same time as the 2009 Nats announcement would be a good thing. It would give everyone on this side of the Atlantic continental divide an extra year to arrange vacation schedules or save up a bit extra for flying out. It would also give the West Coast play groups a two year bump for recruitment. Lastly, it would allow the negative nellies a chance to adjust their attitudes a bit.

I'm just spitballin' here.  As I see I was instaposted, I wish JSB23 would let me post my own ideas.

To be honest with you I would like to see a 2 year notice for ALL Nats locations.  This would allow for vacation planning for families to try and attend.  However as for the west coast waiting until 2010 for Nats it may not seem to be a very big deal, but I can tell you the west coast play groups have been desperately needing the excitement of a Nats to really get past the platue for getting new players and keeping veteran players.  We've had some really good players stop playing just because they began to lose interest when they knew they could never have a chance to really match up on the national level for RNRS and oppurtunities to play at Nats.

I know this sounds selfish but if the west can't get a Nats until 2010 I know that I probably wont continue to play much more.  I got really burned out due to the demands of running tourneys all the time with out the hope of ever being able to compete at a Nats.  The guys in the NW are great but were spread out enough where I can only make a few tourneys outside of my area each year.  Its hard to stay excited some times.  I know it sounds selfish and in many ways may be, but I hear about all the good that a Nats tourney has done for other regions and I just want that same oppurtunity to put the west coast and the west coast players on the National Map.

I know some of the top players from around the country may not be able to make it but there are good players on the West who can't make it to other Nats in order to show our skill.  Give us a chance.  We are literally begging at this point......Ok maybe its just me that is begging but I am on my knees.  Heck if the Nats is in CA I'll personally shake every east coast players hand and say thank you for letting us share in the awesomeness that is Nats and thanks for coming.  I would do more but I'm too tired to think of anything better that I can do.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on December 19, 2008, 11:13:54 PM
To be honest with you I would like to see a 2 year notice for ALL Nats locations.  This would allow for vacation planning for families to try and attend. 

I don't know if that is practical or not from Cactus's end, but I would also like to see this for the reasons given.

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I know some of the top players from around the country may not be able to make it but there are good players on the West who can't make it to other Nats in order to show our skill.

I'm not sure how you would be getting to show your skill if Nats were to become viewed as basically a glorified West Coast bi-regional. That said, I hear what you are saying, and I am very sympathetic. My suggestion was merely a way to figure out how to get more players to make the trip out west. On the other hand, I'm not sure how many more Eastern-half players would attend even if they were given an extra year to plan and save, so my suggestion might be of no benefit whatever.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Prof Underwood on December 19, 2008, 11:41:39 PM
I appreciate people defending me earlier in the thread as to not having a vested interest in the West.  I do live in KY, and have family in Atlanta.  Personally that would be a much better option for me, and I probably won't even be able to attend a Nats in California.  But I still think it is a good idea for the game as a whole.

As for the idea of giving 2 years notice, I think that is not the best plan.  A lot can happen in 2 years.  A playgroup that is strong in an area can disappear by the end of the next.  You could have Nats be announced somewhere and then have to have a last minute switch that no one wants.  Also, people just don't save money for 2 years to attend Nats.  It won't happen.  Nats is usually announced 6 months ahead of time.  If people really want to go, they can save up the money to go in 6 months, and it is unlikely that they would keep up with saving money longer than that anyway.

Lastly as for the idea of having Regional entry fees paying for the winners to go to Nats, I don't think that would be feasible.  A plane ticket to Nats would probably cost $300, and you could have 18 different people finish in the top 3 at Regionals.  Even if you only did 1st place winners, that could be 6 people.  And even if it is a more likely 4 or 5, then you're still talking over $1200 needed.  With a typical attendance at Regionals of 30 people you would have to charge over $40 a person.  There are a lot of people who come to Regionals who know that they aren't going to be winning any events.  They just want to play and hope they might come in 3rd and get some packs.  There's no way they are going to pay $40 in that case.  This would just cause the Regional tournaments to fail.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 20, 2008, 01:42:26 PM
ok, I didn't read any of these former posts, except for MJB's cuz it was short.

as far as the "make a vacation out of it" goes, my family always go to the Boundry Waters Canoe Area as a vacation, also, we have a family reunion every year, so money for traveling isn't exactly readily available. plus it would end up being a shorter vacation taking 3 days out to go play Redemption Cards.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Schaef on December 22, 2008, 10:51:39 PM
Was the Natz in New York City a "little east coast party?"

No, but are you considering the reasons for that?  Population density and travel distance for example?

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Since then, I have not been able to make either of the other Natz because they were both in the Midwest. I certainly cannot afford a trip half-way across the country.

Midwestern tournaments are not necessarily halfway across the country.  In 2007, you could have flown from Hartford to Kansas City for about fourty bucks a head, round trip.  This past year, Columbus is only a ten hour drive, similar to the drives that midwesterners have regularly made to East Coast tourneys.  By contrast, there is really no major west coast city where you could drive the same distance and even get to the other side of the Rockies.  Maybe Las Vegas, but that's a stretch.  So there's no comparing New York to Cali just because they happen to be next to the blue parts of the map.

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Many people will not be able to travel no matter where Natz is held. Why not let the west coast have their first (and with present sentiment, perhaps only) Natz?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have a location that is more economical for more people, and have a West Coast nats when the economy is on an upswing and more people can go out there to put butts in seats?  Take it from a tourney host who was sweating his numbers all the way until 8am Thursday morning.

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What happened to the whole "first shall be last" Christian attitude? Why can't we put others' interest before our own?

Some people are looking for the best solution for the greatest number of people.  Not every opinion about where to have a tournament is based on personal, selfish desires.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: DaClock on December 23, 2008, 01:52:49 AM
Economic downtime =/= bad time for nationals far away.

It could mean that there are cheaper airfare, cheaper hotels, etc.

However, whether or not the economy is good I don't think Nationals in CA is going to be a record-breaker. Even in "central" locations like Ohio or KC we haven't set records, even though they were "easily accessible." If that is the criteria we use, it would be in Minnesota every year.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Schaef on December 23, 2008, 08:21:46 AM
Economic downtime = bad time for nationals in any location.  It is exactly why I used a central location as an example.

And I'm not aware of anyone saying that breaking attendance records was the goal for Nationals.

Again, numbers should not be the most important detail.

I didn't say numbers were the most important detail.  I said that the location should be as universally feasible as possible given a set of circumstances.  Neither would I recommend a Nationals in London just because England has never had one and there are 5 people over there who have never been allowed to host.

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Your opinion is selfish for the exact reasons you gave above: it is still too far for the west-coasters - "more than halfway across the country" were your words.

...uuuummmm... hhhhow does that make me selfish?  What personal gain do I seek for having the Nationals in any particular location, West Coast or not?

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I think there needs to be a consideration of a whole segment of Redemption loyalists who have thus far been pushed aside for the convenience of others. It's the west coast's time and that time is now.

Ultimately, only the people who submit a bid are going to be considered in the first place, and among them Rob will choose whom he chooses.  So the considerations of people on this thread mostly have the weight of a ball of stomach lint.  Everybody has places they would like to see the tournament but if Flagstaff submits a bid and no one else does, the nationals will be in Flagstaff.  In the meantime, your criticism of other board members as being selfish and neglectful is more than a bit harsh considering the topic.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on December 23, 2008, 09:35:45 AM
So there's no comparing New York to Cali just because they happen to be next to the blue parts of the map.

Neither would I recommend a Nationals in London just because England has never had one and there are 5 people over there who have never been allowed to host.

Hmmmm....... so I'm not allowed to compare a west coast Natz to a NYC Natz, but you are allowed to compare one to London?

What personal gain do I seek for having the Nationals in any particular location, West Coast or not?
You live in Fl why in the world ae you pushing to go across the country..you have to have some good reason like"Oh we we're already going to visit family there so nats would be perfect"

Ummm..... you would get to go?

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Ultimately, only the people who submit a bid are going to be considered in the first place, and among them Rob will choose whom he chooses. 

So you are suggesting that the west coast has never submitted a bid? How many bids have they sent that were turned down? It would appear that all of them have. After a while (like 10 years maybe), I would give up trying, too.

I realize that Rob is the final decision for whatever reasons he chooses, I just am presenting an argument for why the west coast should be that choice this year. FWIW, my "selfish" remark was directed originally at the people who were giving selfish reasons. We all have our reasons, but I think the west coast deserves one more than any other region. That's all I really intend.

Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Schaef on December 23, 2008, 10:32:12 AM
Hmmmm....... so I'm not allowed to compare a west coast Natz to a NYC Natz, but you are allowed to compare one to London?

I am not comparing anything to London.  I am calling your logic into question.

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Ummm..... you would get to go?

Whether I get to go is a decision made each individual year based on home finances, without regard for the location.  So this is a very poor answer, especially when presented with virtually no information that is relevant to my situation.

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So you are suggesting that the west coast has never submitted a bid?

I am not suggesting anything.  If you want to know what I'm saying, just look at the words I wrote down and you're in good shape.  I have no information about whether the West Coast has submitted a bid, this year or any other.  Neither do you.  My point, which you seem too busy trying to turn my words around to grasp, is that if the West Coast does NOT submit a bid this year, they are not going to get a tournament this year regardless of the state of the economy or your notion of what's "fair".

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FWIW, my "selfish" remark was directed originally at the people who were giving selfish reasons.

Except you've lumped my remark in among selfish ones and now defended that accusation as well.  If my reasons for doing this are deemed selfish, then I submit that there's not a single motivation here that could be deemed unselfish by that standard.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on December 23, 2008, 11:23:25 AM
So far the only challenge to that has been "geographic suitability" and "numbers." I find those reasons to be selfish, at this point of the discussion, as a response to "Why not the west coast?"

Then what answers would not be "selfish at this point" in your estimation? Why is it selfish to want to have a lot of people at Nationals?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Schaef on December 23, 2008, 11:26:14 AM
You were comparing the bid of a west coaster to that of a Londoner, "just because England has never had one." I am calling your logic into question.

No you're not.  You're accusing me of being a hypocrite.

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I was talking about why the West Coast deserves a NAtz and you were countering my position. I agree with what I just quoted, but submitting a bid hasn't done them any good so far.

Are you certain they've submitted any?  Again, that is information that I do not have.  People lobbied for a Columbus nationals ever since Minneapolis '05 but it took us three years to put something together.  Anyone who assumed in the meantime that Columbus was getting turned down would be drawing poor conclusions.

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The remark that you orginially quoted was my response to Ring Wraith, whose answer was selfish. You then quoted me and ran with it.

I said that not everyone has a selfish reason for wanting nationals to be on (or not) the West Coast.  You responded by directly accusing me of having a selfish reason.

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So far the only challenge to that has been "geographic suitability" and "numbers." I find those reasons to be selfish, at this point of the discussion, as a response to "Why not the west coast?"

Arguing to geographic suitability is not selfish unless it is argued as "we can't have Nats there cause I can't go".  I'm not going to apologize for including it among a list of factors that I think are important when speculating on the best location for the best collection of players (which is not based strictly on numbers).  If I was going to argue ONLY geography, I'd say have it in Columbus every year, because it's the most central in terms of proximity to population centers, has a major airport hub, is relatively inexpensive, and I will be very happy to organize it every year they want to have it here.  The stated objective by Rob of moving it around from year to year precludes such an argument, so I don't give geography its due.

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This isn't about you and me, Schaef, so I don't want the back and forth. Don't you agree that they should get it at least once?

If you read my posts, you will see that not only have I said so, but I even recommended doing so during an upswing when they can garner better attendance.  I even pointed to my own hosting experience as evidence that they would benefit more by having more people on the year they host it.  The thing is, you haven't been arguing that they should have it "at least once".  You've been arguing that they MUST have it NOW or ELSE.  So I don't see the point in appealing to an agreement on something that's not at all the point of the discussion.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on December 23, 2008, 11:58:09 AM
wow to stand on the sidelines and watch to adults flame is an incredible site
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on December 23, 2008, 12:14:14 PM
Gentlemen I'm not a moderator so I have no power but I do have a great deal of respect for both of you for all that you do for redemption but the two of you do need to stop.  We are all capable of having our own opinions and I do not believe anyone opinion about location for Nats is better then another but I feel you two are beginning to take this discussion in a completely different direction then that of where we want Nats to be.  I do want Nats in California but I don't want to discuss it in a manner that does not give the proper respect to ALL individuals.  This discussion has gone to far and it needs to stop. I am not saying this as a redemption player but as a Pastor who does not see how this benefits any of us.  I also don't see this part of the discussion helping Rob make a decision.  In fact I see an argument, and this is an argument, like this to only make things harder on Rob.

Once again I'm not a moderator but this needs to stop.  Please don't feel that I am taking anyones side.  Many have crossed the line and it needs to stop.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on December 23, 2008, 12:18:14 PM
If that is how it seems, then I will take full responsibility for causing it. I will delete my posts and not post again. I apologize for causing an apparent rift.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: wk4c on December 23, 2008, 12:59:28 PM
wow to stand on the sidelines and watch to adults flame is an incredible site

Especially a chief moderator.   :-\
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Schaef on December 23, 2008, 02:39:31 PM
I must be a little fuzzy on the definition of flaming.  If someone can tell me where I have directly attacked YMT, I'll be happy to apologize for having done so.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on December 23, 2008, 04:12:05 PM
you guys are acting like babeys just accpt where ever it's at.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Tsavong Lah on December 23, 2008, 04:28:22 PM
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wow to stand on the sidelines and watch to adults flame is an incredible site

It only seems like flaming to you because you're so good at it. I saw a fairly reasonable argument, which happens between adults all the time.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 23, 2008, 11:21:59 PM
you guys are acting like babeys just accpt where ever it's at.
RED, I'll say it again. watch  yourself. to warn people is okay, to call them names is not.

GO IOWA!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: captain btn on December 23, 2008, 11:31:53 PM
you guys are acting like babeys just accpt where ever it's at.
RED, I'll say it again. watch  yourself. to warn people is okay, to call them names is not.

GO IOWA!

I would settle for Iowa if its not in MN!   ;D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on December 24, 2008, 10:30:52 AM
i was not calling names ring waith!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on December 24, 2008, 10:58:49 AM
"Acting like babies" is as close to name-calling as you can get.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on December 24, 2008, 11:10:53 AM
ther are
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on December 24, 2008, 12:14:00 PM
ther are
what's ther?

Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: wk4c on December 24, 2008, 01:56:33 PM
Schaef, I understand your not in the wrong(Noris YMT).  I just get really tired of arguing, and your usually in it.  I know that you don't do it to be mean.  I was just a little mad at the time...

ther are
what's ther?

That was a really tiny spelling mistake.  There wasn't really a need to point it out...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on December 24, 2008, 06:17:46 PM
ther are
what's ther?

That was a really tiny spelling mistake.  There wasn't really a need to point it out...

If it was just a spelling mistake, what was RED trying to say?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Tsavong Lah on December 24, 2008, 06:31:30 PM
Probably "they are" (acting like babies), in response to BubbleBoy.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on December 24, 2008, 07:53:30 PM
Probably "they are" (acting like babies), in response to BubbleBoy.

Thanks.  I didn't think of "they."  I tried "there" and "their" but that made no sense in context.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on December 24, 2008, 08:06:08 PM
No matter how you spell it, I may have been acting like a child, but I certainly was not acting like a baby.

So, to RED, "I know you are, but what am I?" following by me sticking out my tongue.   :P
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on December 24, 2008, 08:47:25 PM
No matter how you spell it, I may have been acting like a child, but I certainly was not acting like a baby.

So, to RED, "I know you are, but what am I?" following by me sticking out my tongue.   :P
lol is it just me or is there a hint of apathy?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on December 24, 2008, 08:59:43 PM
lol is it just me or is there a hint of apathy?

Now you're spelling stuff wrong, too. Yes, there is a hint of a party. It begins at 9:00 and we're having turkey. Are you coming over?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on December 24, 2008, 09:00:31 PM
coolness will there be free door prizes?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on December 24, 2008, 09:01:25 PM
I'll be on a plane with in the hour what's your address?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on December 24, 2008, 09:03:33 PM
coolness will there be free door prizes?

If you really need a door, you might want to try Home Depot.

I'll be on a plane with in the hour what's your address?

751 Tusquittee St.
Hayesville, NC  28904

Ask for Rob.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on December 24, 2008, 09:12:22 PM
wait i thought you we're in Fl
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on December 24, 2008, 10:05:58 PM
..... you'll see the Cactus Game Design sign just outside my door .....
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: wk4c on December 25, 2008, 06:56:43 AM
..... you'll see the Cactus Game Design sign just outside my door .....

*Whistles* ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Tsavong Lah on December 25, 2008, 01:53:19 PM
Bahaha...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: lightningninja on January 11, 2009, 11:23:33 PM
Well... it's way into Januray... have you decided yet, Rob?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 11, 2009, 11:25:17 PM
Well... it's way into Januray... have you decided yet, Rob?
not like he's going to ever see this post...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: lightningninja on January 11, 2009, 11:26:08 PM
Well... it's way into Januray... have you decided yet, Rob?
not like he's going to ever see this post...
If he responds to my post, this is what I'll have to say:  :laugh: :-* :P :o ;D

Please Rob...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 11, 2009, 11:28:23 PM
Well... it's way into Januray... have you decided yet, Rob?
not like he's going to ever see this post...
If he responds to my post, this is what I'll have to say:  :laugh: :-* :P :o ;D

Please Rob...
the only reason he reasponded to my 100 post thread was because I (and I'm guessing everybody else) PM'd him. good times... good times...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on January 11, 2009, 11:40:07 PM
I think the decision for last year's location was announced sometime in late January.  Give him time to crunch the numbers...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Apologenetics on January 12, 2009, 09:11:53 AM
I think it should be held in Virginia...Minnesota.  (Just kidding.)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 12, 2009, 09:13:29 AM
I think it should be held in Virginia...Minnesota.  (Just kidding.)
that's up in northern minnesota. it's like: Virginia, Minnesota, Minnesota. it's further out of the way then cali! Somewhere, Virginia, Minnesota wouldn't be bad though...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: mn777saint on January 14, 2009, 08:33:57 PM
I say where ever it is - lets break the 05' attendance record.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on January 15, 2009, 06:46:40 AM
That's the spirit!...Although I still will probably not be able to come.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on January 15, 2009, 12:57:34 PM
That's the spirit!...Although I still will probably not be able to come.
Unless its in Ga you won't see me  :'(
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 15, 2009, 06:23:33 PM
I say that if it's in MN - lets break the 05' attendance record.
FIXED!

If it breaks the record anyway, then we cannot claim to be the best place for a national tournament. and it's all about Minnesota.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: CactusRob on January 22, 2009, 04:35:25 PM
Well... it's way into Januray... have you decided yet, Rob?

Yes.  I am just waiting for the hosts to confirm the Church is available for the dates we have in mind.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on January 22, 2009, 04:40:35 PM
Yes.  I am just waiting for the hosts to confirm the Church is available for the dates we have in mind.

The church is ready. See y'all in Orlando!  ::)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on January 22, 2009, 04:59:12 PM
Yes.  I am just waiting for the hosts to confirm the Church is available for the dates we have in mind.
The church is ready. See y'all in Orlando!  ::)
That's pronounced Minnesota  ;D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Guardian on January 22, 2009, 05:01:07 PM
You mean Minn-iforn-usetts?

 ::)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 22, 2009, 05:08:20 PM
i sure hope it's in Georgia  :(
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: STAMP on January 22, 2009, 05:11:08 PM
Yes.  I am just waiting for the hosts to confirm the Church is available for the dates we have in mind.

The church is ready. See y'all in Orlando!  ::)

Well, wherever it lands, I hope the world will be able to attend Nats this year.


 :)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 22, 2009, 05:32:22 PM
Yes.  I am just waiting for the hosts to confirm the Church is available for the dates we have in mind.

The church is ready. See y'all in Orlando!  ::)

Well, wherever it lands, I hope the world will be able to attend Nats this year.


 :)
if it's anywhere over a state then i can't go, i don't think
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on January 22, 2009, 05:38:46 PM
if it's anywhere over a state then i can't go, i don't think

Well you can't go then, because this year's Natz is being held at Sky High.  ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 22, 2009, 05:43:49 PM
if it is in sky high you get to pay for my plane ticket for that comment ya made XD
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on January 22, 2009, 05:46:39 PM
if it is in sky high you get to pay for my plane ticket for that comment ya made XD

I did buy you a ticket, but unfortunately your plane just got pulled out of the Hudson River and will not be ready in time for Natz. Sorry.  :-\
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 22, 2009, 05:48:18 PM
actually the guys at the hudson river called and said it was your plane, just heading back to pick up the new york playgroup from the nats 08. ROFL!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on January 22, 2009, 06:26:17 PM
well this is cool If I can pay my way I can go wherever it is(carpools anyone?)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on January 22, 2009, 07:22:18 PM
Hmmmmm... First Bryon returns to the boards, and then Rob announces he has made a decision about the location for Nats '09.

Coincidence?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on January 22, 2009, 07:28:57 PM
no
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on January 22, 2009, 07:33:31 PM
Well... it's way into Januray... have you decided yet, Rob?

Yes.  I am just waiting for the hosts to confirm the Church is available for the dates we have in mind.


haha adrenaline rush crosses all apendages PLZ GA save me some money  ;D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: 777Godspeed on January 22, 2009, 07:53:00 PM
Wooo-hooooo, it's official.....Natz will be held this year at a chuch somewhere, yet to be announced.    ;D



Godspeed,
Mike
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Soundman2 on January 22, 2009, 10:00:54 PM
Wooo-hooooo, it's official.....Natz will be held this year at a chuch somewhere, yet to be announced.    ;D



Godspeed,
Mike

cool i'm going then!!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Tsavong Lah on January 22, 2009, 10:04:02 PM
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Hmmmmm... First Bryon returns to the boards, and then Rob announces he has made a decision about the location for Nats '09.

Coincidence?

 ;D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on January 22, 2009, 10:12:59 PM
Hmmm, would anyone like to enlighten me on where Bryon lives  :)  :angel:
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Rubber band warrior on January 22, 2009, 10:14:04 PM
Cali?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on January 22, 2009, 10:15:56 PM
 :'(   :'(   :'(  :'( I'm gonna go start working my butt off  :'(
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on January 22, 2009, 10:41:32 PM
Hmmm, would anyone like to enlighten me on where Bryon lives  :)  :angel:

Bryon's in Southern California.   ;D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: soul seeker on January 22, 2009, 10:43:45 PM
how far is Phoenix, AZ from Bryon/South. Cal?  Provided I sale my house and take a family vacation out west...provided that is where Nats is...which i have a sneaking suspicion it is because it's due and they deserve one.  (what a run on)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Ironica on January 22, 2009, 10:45:23 PM
Hmmmmm... First Bryon returns to the boards, and then Rob announces he has made a decision about the location for Nats '09.

Coincidence?

 :prayer:
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 22, 2009, 10:46:13 PM
Probably about 5-6 hours, complete guess though.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Gabe on January 22, 2009, 10:51:11 PM
how far is Phoenix, AZ from Bryon/South. Cal?  Provided I sale my house and take a family vacation out west...provided that is where Nats is...which i have a sneaking suspicion it is because it's due and they deserve one.  (what a run on)

According to what's posted on the Cactus website, Bryon is holding tournaments at a church in Arcadia, CA.  Using google maps to get the drive time from Phoenix, AZ to that address gives an estimate of 364 mi – about 5 hours 24 mins.

But don't plan your vacation yet.  CA is still only speculation.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 22, 2009, 10:51:53 PM
Wow, i'd like to point out I had no real knowledge of his location other than around LA. Woo for guessin!

XD
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Ironica on January 22, 2009, 10:55:45 PM
Wow, i'd like to point out I had no real knowledge of his location other than around LA. Woo for guessin!

XD

If memory serve correctly, he's around 40 miles from Magic Mountain (haven't driven down there since last year).
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 22, 2009, 11:19:43 PM
anyplace but california!!!  :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on January 22, 2009, 11:54:25 PM
If memory serve correctly, he's around 40 miles from Magic Mountain (haven't driven down there since last year).

Bryon hosts tournaments in Arcadia, which is the next city over from Pasedena (Pasedena is where the Rose Pararde is).  However, last I heard, the plan for Nats is to have it about 20 miles west of the usual place down the 101 in Simi Valley or Thousand Oaks in order to have enough room.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on January 23, 2009, 12:32:38 AM
anyplace but California!!!  :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:
I join with you in your prayers :prayer:
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 23, 2009, 12:33:43 AM
anyplace but California!!!  :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:
I join with you in your prayers :prayer:
me 2!  :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on January 23, 2009, 12:35:45 AM
anyplace but california!!!  :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:
Agreed. It needs to be in Hawaii.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 23, 2009, 12:36:48 AM
anyplace but california!!!  :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:
Agreed. It needs to be in Hawaii.
NO!!
it needs to be in Georgia
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on January 23, 2009, 01:03:56 AM
[Bryon hosts tournaments in Arcadia, which is the next city over from Pasedena (Pasedena is where the Rose Pararde is).  However, last I heard, the plan for Nats is to have it about 20 miles west of the usual place down the 101 in Simi Valley or Thousand Oaks in order to have enough room.
I think you meant Garden Grove.

Driving directions can be found at http://www.crystalcathedral.org/visitors/directions.php .




Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on January 23, 2009, 01:06:16 AM
anyplace but california!!!  :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:
Agreed. It needs to be in Hawaii.
NO!!
it needs to be in Georgia
Your both wrong it needs to be in Minnesota
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on January 23, 2009, 09:03:01 AM
anyplace but california!!!  :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:

wow. *outprays*



Here is an interesting quote from the Cactus Host Guide regarding Nats:

There may be only one national tournament per year. The tournament host is
personally chosen by Cactus. Cactus makes it a point to try to move the National
tournament around the United States from year to year, allowing players to be
“close” to the tournament at least once every several years.


Come on guys....  All you guys on the east are ALWAYS closer to every Nats than we have ever been to any Nats.  It makes logical sense to have it in CA.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 23, 2009, 09:25:52 AM
anyplace but california!!!  :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:
Agreed. It needs to be in Hawaii.
NO!!
it needs to be in Georgia
Your both wrong it needs to be in Minnesota
for the past 3 years it's already been in MN.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Schaef on January 23, 2009, 09:35:25 AM
The last MN nationals was in 2005.  The last three tournaments were in New York, Kansas City, and Columbus.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 23, 2009, 09:40:01 AM
anyplace but california!!!  :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:
Agreed. It needs to be in Hawaii.
NO!!
it needs to be in Georgia
Your both wrong it needs to be in Minnesota
for the past 4 years it's already been in MN.
fixed  ;D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Rubber band warrior on January 23, 2009, 09:41:51 AM
Come on guys....  All you guys on the east are ALWAYS closer to every Nats than we have ever been to any Nats.  It makes logical sense to have it in CA.

Oh boy. Come on, let's not turn this into another one of those threads. Rob gets to decide the location for nationals. Arguing about it on here won't help anything, Cameron. (especially now that there's a likely winner, as long as the hosts can book the church)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on January 23, 2009, 09:56:10 AM
And what would that "likely winner" be?  You have no clue where it is going.  In addition, you have no clue what Rob will choose....
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on January 23, 2009, 10:00:52 AM
The last MN nationals was in 2005.  The last three tournaments were in New York, Kansas City, and Columbus.

And the 2005 MN Nationals still holds the attendance record, because MN and nearby states had the largest Redemption player base. Looking at Tim's list of people receiving RNRS points in 2008, it's fairly clear that IA and nearby states still have the largest player base.

I am not arguing the merits of MN versus CA or making any specific comment in relation to Nats '09. (As I stated earlier, I understand the desire behind and I am extremely sympathetic towards holding a West Coast Nationals sooner rather than later.) This is just to point out that there is a substantial number of players who are well served by holding Nationals in Iowa/Minnesota/Wisconsin and that the same cannot be said for a number of other states. That is why Minnesota has hosted multiple Nationals, and why arguing "But state X has never hosted Nats" is not very persuasive to me.

And what would that "likely winner" be?  You have no clue where it is going.  In addition, you have no clue what Rob will choose....

Cameron, RBW isn't dissing any location or claiming to know what Rob has decided. He was just saying that getting back into a debate over possible locations (ANY possible location) is rather meaningless at this point. Rob has made the decision (where ever that is) and is just waiting for confirmation. Let's just wait to hear the decision.*

*Or throw out bogus clues--as one of us** has been doing--if that it what floats your boat.

**That "one of us" would be me.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Rubber band warrior on January 23, 2009, 11:06:53 AM
And what would that "likely winner" be?  You have no clue where it is going.  In addition, you have no clue what Rob will choose....

MJB nailed it. I make no claims to be an insider on the big news, but we do know that Rob has made a choice, and is only waiting to hear back from the hosts to make sure that they can get "the church" for the Nationals dates before he makes it official. I may not know wht Rob will choose, but we know he's already chosen. Thus, it is entirely pointless to make remarks about how you think the west coast so desperately needs a Nationals. They'll be forgotten by next year, so just wait until then to start that up again.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on January 23, 2009, 11:11:57 AM
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They'll be forgotten by next year, so just wait until then to start that up again.
Come on....  Stop jabbing.


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Thus, it is entirely pointless to make remarks about how you think the west coast so desperately needs a Nationals.
Sounds good.  I was not updated on the status of Nats.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: metalpsalm on January 23, 2009, 11:14:58 AM
Maybe someday we can all meet more regularly to play in full immersion VR, or at least in a really good community software program like that other game has...?
I wish Elkhart/Southbend had a thriving Redemption community like MN does. Man, have I tried! It's like this area is coated with satanic anti-Redemption teflon! (Thus precluding it from Natz, even if my bros from OH and MN would come and help). Mayhaps my seeds just haven't sprung up yet? Natz (or ANY tournament) would be easy to get to here for a whole lotta folks. This is the crossroads of America. At any rate, congrats and mozzeltof to
Spoiler (hover to show)
for getting the nod. Have fun! Maybe I can go this year? Weirder things have happened to me already since 09 started!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: captain btn on January 23, 2009, 02:52:37 PM
Maybe someday we can all meet more regularly to play in full immersion VR, or at least in a really good community software program like that other game has...?
I wish Elkhart/Southbend had a thriving Redemption community like MN does. Man, have I tried! It's like this area is coated with satanic anti-Redemption teflon! (Thus precluding it from Natz, even if my bros from OH and MN would come and help). Mayhaps my seeds just haven't sprung up yet? Natz (or ANY tournament) would be easy to get to here for a whole lotta folks. This is the crossroads of America. At any rate, congrats and mozzeltof to
Spoiler (hover to show)
for getting the nod. Have fun! Maybe I can go this year? Weirder things have happened to me already since 09 started!

YES I agree have fun with your 3 players  ;D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: lightningninja on January 23, 2009, 05:38:40 PM
Maybe someday we can all meet more regularly to play in full immersion VR, or at least in a really good community software program like that other game has...?
I wish Elkhart/Southbend had a thriving Redemption community like MN does. Man, have I tried! It's like this area is coated with satanic anti-Redemption teflon! (Thus precluding it from Natz, even if my bros from OH and MN would come and help). Mayhaps my seeds just haven't sprung up yet? Natz (or ANY tournament) would be easy to get to here for a whole lotta folks. This is the crossroads of America. At any rate, congrats and mozzeltof to
Spoiler (hover to show)
for getting the nod. Have fun! Maybe I can go this year? Weirder things have happened to me already since 09 started!

YES I agree have fun with your 3 players  ;D
Then I'll at least get 3rd.  ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on January 23, 2009, 06:06:42 PM
Somehow if there were only three players I would still end up finishing fourth.  :'(
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: STAMP on January 23, 2009, 06:36:57 PM
It's like this area is coated with satanic anti-Redemption teflon!

If only.  My biggest obstacle here in the Rogue Valley have been churches!  Which is the pinnacle of irony as Oregon is the least-churched state per capita.   :-\

I may just try the local secular gaming store (MtG, etc.).  At least I have some motivation this year.


Somehow if there were only three players I would still end up finishing fourth.  :'(

Woo hoo!  I get fifth!!   :D


Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: metalpsalm on January 24, 2009, 07:15:21 AM
It's like this area is coated with satanic anti-Redemption teflon!

If only.  My biggest obstacle here in the Rogue Valley have been churches!  Which is the pinnacle of irony as Oregon is the least-churched state per capita.   :-\

I may just try the local secular gaming store (MtG, etc.).  At least I have some motivation this year.


Somehow if there were only three players I would still end up finishing fourth.  :'(

Woo hoo!  I get fifth!!   :D




Yeah, well, I don't get hostility from church people, just complete apathy. I just don't get why they don't get it???
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on January 24, 2009, 07:48:14 AM
The Christian school that I started my playgroup in CT for was extremely supportive, but I wonder if the fact that they were non-denominational had anything to do with it. If there are any non-denom organizations in your area, try them out to see if it makes a difference.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: crustpope on January 24, 2009, 12:08:59 PM
I know I am a little late to te conversation but does anyone know if someone has already put in an application to host nats?  I mean, if none of the other locations have put in an app, then its going to be hard to host one there!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: metalpsalm on January 24, 2009, 12:13:18 PM
Crustpope!
Long time....
Yeah, Rob said he already has picked a spot, as long as they can get the venue
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: 777Godspeed on January 24, 2009, 12:23:49 PM
Well... it's way into Januray... have you decided yet, Rob?

Yes.  I am just waiting for the hosts to confirm the Church is available for the dates we have in mind.


I think this is the qoute you are looking for Crustpope.

Godspeed,
Mike
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: lightningninja on January 24, 2009, 09:03:17 PM
Well... it's way into Januray... have you decided yet, Rob?
not like he's going to ever see this post...
Ha! He did respond! So:  ;D :D :P ;) :-*
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: CactusRob on January 25, 2009, 08:53:01 AM
I know I am a little late to te conversation but does anyone know if someone has already put in an application to host nats?  I mean, if none of the other locations have put in an app, then its going to be hard to host one there!

I know of four different groups that were developing a proposal to host Nationals.  I discussed the proposal of one group with the other three potential hosts.  Everyone threw their support behind the first group saying words to the effect of, "It's really their turn and I can't think of anyone more deserving."  The only issue is that the dates the group proposed conflict with a trade show I need to cover in NJ August 4 to 7th.  They are confirming that they can lock in the venue (Church) July 30 to August 1st (our first choice) or August 13th to 15th (our second choice).  I haven't announced the site because I am waiting to make sure we have a place to play.  If for some reason that fails, then one of the other potential hosts/sites will be reactivated.

I am hoping to be making an announcement later this week.

Blessings,
Rob
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Ironica on January 25, 2009, 08:59:31 AM
I know I am a little late to te conversation but does anyone know if someone has already put in an application to host nats?  I mean, if none of the other locations have put in an app, then its going to be hard to host one there!

I know of four different groups that were developing a proposal to host Nationals.  I discussed the proposal of one group with the other three potential hosts.  Everyone threw their support behind the first group saying words to the effect of, "It's really their turn and I can't think of anyone more deserving."  The only issue is that the dates the group proposed conflict with a trade show I need to cover in NJ August 4 to 7th.  They are confirming that they can lock in the venue (Church) July 30 to August 1st (our first choice) or August 13th to 15th (our second choice).  I haven't announced the site because I am waiting to make sure we have a place to play.  If for some reason that fails, then one of the other potential hosts/sites will be reactivated.

I am hoping to be making an announcement later this week.

Blessings,
Rob

:rollin:

There's no smileys of anyone jumping up and down :P.

I hope it's the second choice (or I have to try hard and convense my family-in-laws to move their camping trip  ;))
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 25, 2009, 09:04:59 AM
NJ?!
are you kidding me?!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 25, 2009, 09:05:50 AM
NJ?!
are you kidding me?!
no no no. he needs to be in NJ at the time of the proposed nationals.

It's in CA, isn't it?  :'(
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on January 25, 2009, 09:08:55 AM
It's in CA, isn't it?  :'(

It's Orlando's turn and I am very deserving. Don't book your flights/carpools yet.  ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on January 25, 2009, 09:10:56 AM
"It's really their turn and I can't think of anyone more deserving."

It's looking good...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 25, 2009, 09:14:25 AM
it should be as close to TN as possible for me to be able to make it.
i mean i'v NEVER experianced being in a top notch tournament as nats.
and hearing what all happened that i missed really makes me irritated (dead serious) :P
i'll even settle for going to nats just ONCE before we(the church) head up to heaven to be with Jesus
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TechnoEthicist on January 25, 2009, 09:19:36 AM
Andy (I am completely serious)...You have 6 months to save up money...I am SURE that if you can acquire 500.00 for travel expenses etc, that the redemption community will help out. I will say this once...IF you arrive to Nationals 2009, as a gift to you and your patience, I will cover your tournament fees for all 3 days. Now, if you want help on how to save, I can help with that too. But by now you are a mature young man that should be able to know how to save 50.00 per month. I would love to see you at 2009 Nationals, and even if I am unable to get off work for it, I will give your entry fee to someone who will go. Now, do you accept my challenge?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 25, 2009, 09:22:24 AM
 i'm not sure i'll be able to get a job with all the unemployment rates going the way they are and will only get worse, which is a problem for me.
but i do know a way to earn more cash which is to sell my cards and the prob with that is absolutly nobody will be willing to take these cards out of my hands cause i have so many crappy and common cards.
and what if i accept your challenge and i don't make it?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: TechnoEthicist on January 25, 2009, 09:34:32 AM
If you don't make it you don't make it...and just because unemployment rates are bad, does not mean you can't get a job....just not a traditional one...do services for people, rake leaves, clean gardens, plant flowers, mow when it gets warmer, wash windows, dust, vacuum, things like that for people who may not have a lot...but at the least you should be able to get about 5.00 an hour...just some thoughts friend, take it for what its worth. But an I can't attitude gets you nowhere...
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 25, 2009, 10:03:55 AM
If you don't make it you don't make it...and just because unemployment rates are bad, does not mean you can't get a job....just not a traditional one...do services for people, rake leaves, clean gardens, plant flowers, mow when it gets warmer, wash windows, dust, vacuum, things like that for people who may not have a lot...but at the least you should be able to get about 5.00 an hour...just some thoughts friend, take it for what its worth. But an I can't attitude gets you nowhere...
well some of those are stuff i can do around the house and get paid so i guess that'll be a #1 option
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on January 25, 2009, 10:07:56 AM
I know of four different groups that were developing a proposal to host Nationals.  I discussed the proposal of one group with the other three potential hosts.  Everyone threw their support behind the first group saying words to the effect of, "It's really their turn and I can't think of anyone more deserving."
Well, that's it then.  Nat '09 is clearly going to go to Minnesota.    :D



Seriously though, I hope the revised dates work out. This is most excellent.

[Once again MJB posting as JSB.  Dang, I can;t get used to not posting from any old account.]
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: The Schaef on January 25, 2009, 11:55:16 AM
Everyone threw their support behind the first group saying words to the effect of, "It's really their turn and I can't think of anyone more deserving."

That's right, it's really Columbus' turn.  Again.  I thought he meant the West Coast at first until he said they couldn't think of anyone more deserving.  That made it a lock in my mind.

Wednesday night I'll be signing autographs for interested parties.  $10 a shot.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on January 25, 2009, 01:09:53 PM
Ga  :prayer:
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: metalpsalm on January 25, 2009, 01:59:59 PM
what if i accept your challenge and i don't make it?
Then you have made a decision and given it your best shot and failed. But, you will be better off than someone who didn't even try! You will have grown in character, which is of eternal value. Also, think of this: the rudder can't turn the ship if the ship isn't moving. How can God direct your steps if don't take any?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 25, 2009, 02:04:51 PM
How can God direct your steps if don't take any?
how can i take those steps if i don't know where to go?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on January 25, 2009, 02:08:26 PM
You don't know where to go unless you let God direct your steps.  End of circle.

Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 25, 2009, 02:14:22 PM
Dude your 21. You can work basically anywhere if you want. Go ask around at the local McDonald's or something.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: metalpsalm on January 25, 2009, 02:29:56 PM
How can God direct your steps if don't take any?
how can i take those steps if i don't know where to go?
Are you afraid to make mistakes? You will, that's life. Go do something and God will lead you in the process
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 25, 2009, 02:33:03 PM
i maybe an adult but i have something that nobody here understands or think i'm just saying it as an excuse when all i'm doing is twlling the truth, which is i have a mental problem called "Aspurger Syndrome"
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on January 25, 2009, 02:34:13 PM
AL or GA :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 25, 2009, 02:57:34 PM
I think your hiding behind that. I know people far mroe handicapped than you are by mental problems that have found jobs. There are completely retarded adults, who have 9 year old minds, who function as stockers at grocery stores. It can happen if you try.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on January 25, 2009, 03:58:03 PM
I think your hiding behind that. I know people far mroe handicapped than you are by mental problems that have found jobs. There are completely retarded adults, who have 9 year old minds, who function as stockers at grocery stores. It can happen if you try.
+1

Don't use this as a shield behind which you can hide.  Go out and do something!  You can do it, I have no doubts about that.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Rubber band warrior on January 25, 2009, 09:16:17 PM
I agree with Cameron and Janissary, Raven. I think you're using the Ausperger's as a secondary shield for your classic "I can't do it" attitude. If you apply yourself and keep at it, you can do pretty much whatever you want.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 25, 2009, 09:18:21 PM
i maybe an adult but i have something that nobody here understands or think i'm just saying it as an excuse when all i'm doing is twlling the truth, which is i have a mental problem called "Aspurger Syndrome"
RBW your saying i'm using it as an excuse when i'm tellin the truth
don't tell me to get a job if your gonna say i'm using it as an excuse
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Rubber band warrior on January 25, 2009, 09:21:51 PM
I understand you have Ausperger's. Believe me when I say there's a LOT of people out there who have jobs who have far worse problem's than yours. You are telling the truth when you say you have Ausperger's; I don't believe that it's a valid excuse to not get a job.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on January 25, 2009, 09:22:34 PM
@ andy:sorry if I come off a bit harsh but problem is you are you need to grow up and quit being scared of new things I think you'd be great at a job

(don't yell I quit the first day and don't yell at customers for being "mean" )
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 25, 2009, 09:24:08 PM
could we get off this subject?
GA,AL, or KY for nats 09!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on January 25, 2009, 09:24:47 PM
(don't yell I quit the first day and don't yell at customers for being "mean" )

Rats! Does that mean I can't yell at my students for being mean?  >:(
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on January 25, 2009, 09:27:02 PM
(don't yell I quit the first day and don't yell at customers for being "mean" )

Rats! Does that mean I can't yell at my students for being mean?  >:(
Sarcasm I hope and pray
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Rubber band warrior on January 25, 2009, 09:28:30 PM
Meh, you're the teacher. Rap their knuckles if you have to.

lol... in reality, I suppose a tongue lashing is the best you can do anymore.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on January 25, 2009, 09:28:42 PM
go al or GA
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on January 25, 2009, 09:35:15 PM
lol... in reality, I suppose a tongue lashing is the best you can do anymore.

Nope. I can't even use red ink to grade tests because it may hurt someone's feelings to see all that RED.   :o
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on January 25, 2009, 09:36:44 PM
man that is copyrighted!so is REDemption
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Rubber band warrior on January 25, 2009, 09:41:16 PM
That's pretty crazy. I guess my math teacher graded my tests in all red, so even good comments were in red. I don't think words can communicate how scared I was when I got my first test back.

Well... to compare it with something else, I was more scared then than after I got my first physics test back. I got a 39.5 out of 40, but I thought that 39.5 was my percentage score.

Anyway, my new math teacher grades with green pen. I have to really try to find his comments amid my calc III problems.

Anyway, if you use any color pen to grade couldn't someone's feelings be hurt if they see a lot of the color? Soon you'll have to grade in... permanenet pencil... yeah, that'd be the only thing that wouldn't hurt somebody's feelings.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on January 25, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
I was thinking about grading in invisible ink and making them go over to a blacklight to see their grade.  ::)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on January 25, 2009, 09:51:16 PM
lol... in reality, I suppose a tongue lashing is the best you can do anymore.

Nope. I can't even use red ink to grade tests because it may hurt someone's feelings to see all that RED.   :o
Rules these days... I thought the point of school was to hurt their feelings and destroy their ideals, all of this is REDefining the purpose of school! I think we should REDeploy the original tactics that convinced people of that purpose in the first place; as I feel that will be much easier than to REDact some new guide lines. Those may be the only things that can possibly REDeem school. I feel a 70's era REDux reviving itself!

Although not being able to write in RED is silly. I suggest you tell all of your students to hand write their next paper in <insert very obscure color that 99% of people won't be able to find> because other colors make you sad, just to see if someone actually tries ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Prof Underwood on January 25, 2009, 10:07:09 PM
KY for nats 09!
As much as I would love for Nats to be in KY, I don't really understand why you would include us in your list.  You haven't come to any of our tournaments yet (including large ones like States and Regionals).  You don't even go to tournaments in TN.  I am beginning to doubt whether you would attend Nats if it were anywhere other than your house :)

Nope. I can't even use red ink to grade tests because it may hurt someone's feelings to see all that RED.   :o
I grade in red ink all the time.  Private schools FTW :)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on January 25, 2009, 10:10:00 PM
Speaking of RED, there are a lot of tournament hosts  online at this moment.  :o
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 25, 2009, 10:38:00 PM
of course i go to TN tournaments but not often cause some TN tournaments are just closed locals
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: lightningninja on January 25, 2009, 10:39:21 PM
of course i go to TN tournaments but not often cause some TN tournaments are just closed locals
I go to locals. I drive two hours every month for Bryon's locals. That's why I can vouch for California. But I see prof's point. You can't not go to any lower-level tournies and then want to have natz. It just doesn't work that way.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 25, 2009, 10:43:36 PM
well i'v noticed for the past few years i'v missed awesome/hilarious nationals
one nats with cheerleaders,one nats with tim maly getting a mohawk and in the same tourney people sing a rendition of "We will rock you" and again in the same tournament, "The Kiss" happened to kevin shride and nats 08 there was a marriage proposal.
if you were me you'd understand and be just as irritated as i am.
i'd go to nationals but it depends on the fee and the city and state that'll host it.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: lightningninja on January 25, 2009, 10:46:32 PM
well i'v noticed for the past few years i'v missed awesome/hilarious nationals
one nats with cheerleaders,one nats with tim maly getting a mohawk and in the same tourney people sing a rendition of "We will rock you" and again in the same tournament, "The Kiss" happened to kevin shride and nats 08 there was a marriage proposal.
if you were me you'd understand and be just as irritated as i am.
i'd go to nationals but it depends on the fee and the city and state that'll host it.

thanks for ignoring everything I said. We ALL want to go to natz, and we ALL missed those exact same thing. My point is that if you don't even go to the small tournies, why should you be able to vouch for the big one?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 25, 2009, 10:50:23 PM
i give up.
idk why i even bother
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 25, 2009, 11:04:47 PM
Me either ;-)

You both have decent points, but like ninja said, your just making teh same points that he oculd make for CA.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: metalpsalm on January 26, 2009, 08:24:56 AM
I was thinking about grading in invisible ink and making them go over to a blacklight to see their grade.  ::)

That needs to be in the "quotable quote" thread
ROTFL

"if you were me you'd understand and be just as irritated as i am."

THAT is Augsberger talking. I in no way mean that sarcastically. Look it up on Wiki.
Now, I believe you that you have it, Raven, but you must find a way to go through life with it. Either finding a way to overcome it, or becoming a victim of it. The farther you go through door number one, the happier and more in control of yourself (which is a fruit of the Spirit, don't forget to ask for Grace) you will be and the more people will want to be friends.
The more you choose door number two, the less people will care how you feel being frustrated by how little you seem to care about anyone but yourself, and the more you'll pull into your own little world. It's darkness and light Andy, you have to pick your direction every day. The Kingdom of God is "We" not "Me" OK?
I'm not being mean to you, I'm trying to help you.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Gil Galad Elven King *Generic on January 26, 2009, 09:37:31 AM
As I see that there has been no official final word on the location of Natz 09, and since I live 1 1/2 hours from Atlanta, I most definitely would throw all my support behind Cali.  It is their turn. 

GA (or AL?!?!?!?!?!) for Natz '10
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on January 26, 2009, 10:00:15 AM
As I see that there has been no official final word on the location of Natz 09, and since I live 1 1/2 hours from Atlanta, I most definitely would throw all my support behind Cali.

I tried to follow that logic, but it really doesn't matter... we'll take all the support we can get!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 26, 2009, 10:52:26 AM
metalpsalm, the problem is not i think about myself.
i don't think about myself.
my problem with missing nats is i miss oppertunities to meet people on the boards in person and to have fun.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on January 26, 2009, 10:57:16 AM
metalpsalm, the problem is not i think about myself.
i don't think about myself.
my problem with missing nats is i miss oppertunities to meet people on the boards in person and to have fun.

and what Fireninja said is that we miss it too.  None of us have been.

Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 26, 2009, 10:58:24 AM
He hasn't been to nats
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 26, 2009, 10:59:08 AM
ty jani!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on January 26, 2009, 11:24:58 AM
k, srry.  Anyway, you want to go the same as us.  However, you have been a lot closer to it every year than we ever have.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 26, 2009, 02:04:01 PM
if you call 2 states over "close"
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 26, 2009, 02:21:30 PM
Closer than across the country.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on January 26, 2009, 07:34:39 PM
+1
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Tsavong Lah on January 27, 2009, 12:21:23 AM
Should I be person #351 to say "the decision has already been made, so quit whining about it", or should I just let it rest? ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 27, 2009, 09:28:59 AM
Should I be person #351 to say "the decision has already been made, so quit whining about it", or should I just let it rest? ;)
let it rest. we just don't know fo-sho where it is, there's always hope for GA or IA (they haven't had a nats there... ... ...)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: NWJosh on January 27, 2009, 12:37:22 PM
Should I be person #351 to say "the decision has already been made, so quit whining about it", or should I just let it rest? ;)

that must make me #352. 352 is a good number since no numbers repeat and the outside numbers added together equal the inside number.  If you multiply all three of the numbers you get 30 which doesn't really mean anything but its still another number.

Well anyways if its in CA I will give everyone who comes a High 5, simply because I'm a poor youth pastor and can't really do much more then that in order for me to go also. :)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: lightningninja on January 27, 2009, 07:00:46 PM
Wow... how long did that take you? lol...

Yeah, let's just get a lock. Rob will post and ignore the lock once he's ready.  ;D
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on January 27, 2009, 07:43:48 PM
no lock AL AL AL AL AL!OR GA GA GA GA GA GA GA GA!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 27, 2009, 07:47:00 PM
GA for 09 please rob!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Red on January 27, 2009, 07:47:33 PM
 +1 +1 with andy
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on January 27, 2009, 08:02:57 PM
Ga 09!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: sk on January 27, 2009, 08:17:18 PM
Did Alabama or Georgia submit a proposal for Nats?  Thought Gil had said he would go for it next year...?
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Colin Michael on January 27, 2009, 08:28:45 PM
I think we should get some kind of head count for each.
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: michael/michaelssword on January 27, 2009, 08:30:41 PM
I think Eric sent in a bid Not sure though
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 27, 2009, 09:57:49 PM
GA for nats 09!!! or IA... just not the west coast, or else I won't be able to go!!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: JSB23 on January 27, 2009, 10:06:54 PM
MN
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: BubbleBoy on January 27, 2009, 10:09:44 PM
This thread might as well be called "Shout out the name of your state!" ;)
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: New Raven BR on January 27, 2009, 10:12:31 PM
This thread might as well be called "Shout out the name of your state!" ;)
TN!!!! :laugh:
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: metalpsalm on January 27, 2009, 10:16:05 PM
This thread might as well be called "Shout out the name of your state!" ;)
Indiana! Oh, wait, I'm the only player here... NVM
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on January 27, 2009, 10:24:12 PM
Oregon!!!!  Go Beaver state!
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: Colin Michael on January 27, 2009, 10:25:22 PM
Oregon!!!!  Go Beaver state!
Utah! Redemption, a card game based off Jesus Christ and the latter day saints!
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: Bryon on January 27, 2009, 10:28:13 PM
This thread might as well be called "Shout out the name of your state!" ;)
Done! :D
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: New Raven BR on January 27, 2009, 10:32:05 PM
what have we done,bubbleboy?
lol
Title: Re: Any word on Nats '09 location?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on January 27, 2009, 10:32:40 PM
Oregon!!!!  Go Beaver state!
Utah! Redemption, a card game based off Jesus Christ and the latter day saints!
And The Bee Hive state goes trippingly along with The Beaver state.  Well played, sirrah. Quite.
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: STAMP on January 27, 2009, 10:36:34 PM
IA!  MD!  MN!  CA!  KY!  IL!  WI!  FL!  OR!


Man, I've lived in too many different states.   :-\


Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: DaClock on January 27, 2009, 10:40:34 PM
Missouri! The SHOW ME state.
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: New Raven BR on January 27, 2009, 10:54:55 PM
Missouri! The SHOW ME state.
no the state of the "Bloody Poptart" XD
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: darkvariant on January 27, 2009, 10:56:07 PM
hmmmm sorry no can do about shouting out the name of my state.
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: ACe on January 27, 2009, 10:56:38 PM
Missouri! The SHOW ME state.

I agree!!
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: New Raven BR on January 27, 2009, 11:01:10 PM
DV!hey!
haven't seen you on here often, how'v ya been?!
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: TheMarti on January 27, 2009, 11:09:33 PM
PA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I lived in NY for awhile as a kid. I also am really close to MD.

What's going on?
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 27, 2009, 11:10:03 PM
P to the A to PAAA!
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: wk4c on January 28, 2009, 08:18:12 AM
I'll follow up the above awesomes(x2) with..

PA!  (Steelers, Penn State, Eagles...we have the best football in the world.)
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on January 28, 2009, 08:33:59 AM
Nevada!  But Cali works great for Nats!
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 28, 2009, 09:16:31 AM
P to the A to PAAA!
papaaa?

Minnesota! Minnesota! *insert roar*
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: Ironica on January 28, 2009, 09:50:32 AM
GO CALI!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: BubbleBoy on January 28, 2009, 04:31:46 PM
Minnesota! :D
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: lightningninja on January 28, 2009, 05:59:27 PM
California, where natz will be held.  ;)
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: NWJosh on January 28, 2009, 06:00:53 PM
Born and raised in the great state of Washington, but then God must not of liked me because he made me move south to Oregon where I now live :(. On the bright side it gets me 3hours closer to Disneyland which is my favorite vacation spot of all time
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: STAMP on January 28, 2009, 06:20:41 PM
Born and raised in the great state of Washington, but then God must not of liked me because he made me move south to Oregon where I now live :(. On the bright side it gets me 3hours closer to Disneyland which is my favorite vacation spot of all time

How convenient!   ;)


Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 28, 2009, 11:30:49 PM
Minnesota! :D
we don't laugh. we roar. unfortunatly there's no adequet smiley for this.  :maul:
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: metalpsalm on January 29, 2009, 05:59:07 AM
hmmmm sorry no can do about shouting out the name of my state.
are you stateless? Have a province?
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: BubbleBoy on January 29, 2009, 07:29:30 AM
I believe he is in Germany.
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: metalpsalm on January 29, 2009, 07:39:57 AM
I believe he is in Germany.
Virchlich? Das virden gantz toll sein!
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: Claude on January 29, 2009, 07:41:00 AM
These little town blues, are melting away
Im gonna make a brand new start of it - in old new york
And if I can make it there, Im gonna make it anywhere

It up to you - New York New York

Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 29, 2009, 08:27:27 AM
He's from Canada bb.
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: BubbleBoy on January 29, 2009, 03:51:21 PM
Well, I took a shot in the dark. ;D
Title: Re: Shout out the name of your state!
Post by: The Schaef on January 29, 2009, 05:14:28 PM
Okay, we have our selection now.
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