well, there are a bazillion people who wouldnt mind it in upstate NY otherwise we would never ever get to go to one. and Im being really serious on this oneThe problem with that is there was one in Boston just two years ago. There are many other groups across the country in the same scenario, so it is unlikely nats will be in the NE again so soon.
I think Gabe should host nats alone. As in, so he can't play. Iowa is due anyway.
I think Gabe should host nats alone. As in, so he can't play. Iowa is due anyway.
But you just had Nats in MN, a state away! I agree with the 2012 host should be located in the South Eastern part of the country (TN, NC, SC).
If it's not in Rochester, I'm for this. Then they'll stop complaining about "all the players that get to go to Nats"
I think Gabe should host nats alone. As in, so he can't play. Iowa is due anyway.
But you just had Nats in MN, a state away! I agree with the 2012 host should be located in the South Eastern part of the country (TN, NC, SC).
Florida...
how many years do you think it will be until MN is in the running for nats again.Quite a few. Rob tries to space them out.
how many years do you think it will be until MN is in the running for nats again.2015 would be a possibility.
how many years do you think it will be until MN is in the running for nats again.
It'll be awhile before MN is ready to take the nats touch of death. We likely wouldn't want to host one until at least 3 years from now. I can't speak for Bill and Co., but the southern playgroups can't do it at this point.how many years do you think it will be until MN is in the running for nats again.
Minnesota is in a perpetual state of running.
It doesn't matter to me in which state that Gabe is designated to host in. ;)
I think Gabe should host nats alone. As in, so he can't play. Iowa is due anyway.
But you just had Nats in MN, a state away! I agree with the 2012 host should be located in the South Eastern part of the country (TN, NC, SC).
I'm fine with anywhere that I can get a ride to from someone else to go, so a place like Tennessee or NY would probably be good for me too.
Sad face. I've been trying to get down there for months. Thought I finally had an excuse.
Hmm are you close to, or in a central location of, Tampa, Gainesville, Tallahassee, or Deltona?
Hmm well one hour is good. If you had the tournament maybe, buy I do have places to stay in all of the aforementioned Cities so I don't actually require a place to stay but thank you for the offer :D
As far as I know, Florida won't be making a bid.
Consider Florida bidded for.
As far as I know, Florida won't be making a bid.
Just to clarify, I said I would not be making a bid for Orlando Metro, but other groups in Florida may still make a bid, as evidenced by:Consider Florida bidded for.
It appears that the South Florida guys have put in a bid. Good luck to you guys! May Knot get Nats! ;D
So is there a legit bid for Florida in the works, or not?As a Christmas surprise for Gabe, I put in a bid under his name back in mid-December.
EDIT: as of 12:40, Rochester, NY has made a bid!
So is there a legit bid for Florida in the works, or not?As a Christmas surprise for Gabe, I put in a bid under his name back in mid-December.
EDIT: as of 12:40, Rochester, NY has made a bid!
So is there a legit bid for Florida in the works, or not?
Where exactly is the TN playgroup?I don't know exactly (because I'm not in TN), but there a lot tourneys on the Cactus page in Knoxville.
Where exactly is the TN playgroup?I don't know exactly (because I'm not in TN), but there a lot tourneys on the Cactus page in Knoxville.
Realize that I say that with no intention of attending Nats, even if it is in TN.This is unfortunate. I know that you've had a couple negative experiences at larger tournaments (ie. state or regional) in the past, but I really believe that they were flukes and wish that you could experience the blast that Nats is.
This is unfortunate. I know that you've had a couple negative experiences at larger tournaments (ie. state or regional) in the past, but I really believe that they were flukes ....
Besides, the GA guys came to your regional down there last summer, can't you return the favor by driving up to TN to join them?
Or how about that guy from KY who drove all the way down there for a local of yours, you know you want to come up to TN to hang out with him, right?
This is unfortunate. I know that you've had a couple negative experiences at larger tournaments (ie. state or regional) in the past, but I really believe that they were flukes ....
The general demeanor on the boards would indicate that they were not flukes.
Besides in person everyones cool.
If TN does get Natz, I know allegiant offers very reasonable prices on flights from Orlando, Tampa, and several other points from Florida to Knoxville.
Knoxville is 650 miles away, which would be a minimum of 10 hours.Think of it as a fun family road trip, or some time for father-son bonding :)
I would have to travel with my children, including a one-year-old.Two options come to mind. Perhaps your wife wouldn't mind having some "girl-time" while you and your son were gone for a few days. Or perhaps the whole family could come to Knoxville, and the ladies could see the sights for a few days while you fellas played Redemption.
in person everyones cool.This is a good point. My experience is that even people who don't seem to get along very well on the boards, actually get along MUCH better when they are in person.
Think of it as a fun family road trip, or some time for father-son bonding :)
Perhaps your wife wouldn't mind having some "girl-time" while you and your son were gone for a few days.
Or perhaps the whole family could come to Knoxville, and the ladies could see the sights for a few days while you fellas played Redemption.
I say MN again because everyone was happy and healthy, and there was Type S, and there were bathrooms with showers, and across the hallway(for the comfort of CountFount and all the other old guys there), and it had it's own restaurant in the church, and mattresses for people to sleep on, and...,and...,and...
THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS!!!
This is a good point. My experience is that even people who don't seem to get along very well on the boards, actually get along MUCH better when they are in person.
This is a good point. My experience is that even people who don't seem to get along very well on the boards, actually get along MUCH better when they are in person.
OR they avoid each other. People, especially those who argue on the internet, rarely confront each other in real life. Plus, you will have so many people that you rarely see and enjoy their company that the ones that annoy you are easy to avoid.
I say MN again because everyone was happy and healthy, and there was Type S, and there were bathrooms with showers, and across the hallway(for the comfort of CountFount and all the other old guys there), and it had it's own restaurant in the church, and mattresses for people to sleep on, and...,and...,and...Give everyone actual beds in rooms, more showers, and authentic Rochester scenery (instead of that fake MN stuff), and you've got NY.
THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS!!!
I actually consider Rochester NY fake and MN real.I say MN again because everyone was happy and healthy, and there was Type S, and there were bathrooms with showers, and across the hallway(for the comfort of CountFount and all the other old guys there), and it had it's own restaurant in the church, and mattresses for people to sleep on, and...,and...,and...Give everyone actual beds in rooms, more showers, and authentic Rochester scenery (instead of that fake MN stuff), and you've got NY.
THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS!!!
So is there a legit bid for Florida in the works, or not?As a Christmas surprise for Gabe, I put in a bid under his name back in mid-December.
EDIT: as of 12:40, Rochester, NY has made a bid!
What a coincidence! As a Christmas surprise for Gabe, I put a bid under his name back in mid-December!
I'm actually more of a jerk in person. :maul:
Sounds like that leaves it to either Rochester or Tennessee.50% chance? I'll take that.
Sounds like that leaves it to either Rochester or Tennessee.We aren't making a bid. ;)
Sounds like that leaves it to either Rochester or Tennessee.We aren't making a bid. ;)
It defaults to NY, seeing as we're awesomer.Sounds like that leaves it to either Rochester or Tennessee.We aren't making a bid. ;)
I find that fact debatable.It defaults to NY, seeing as we're awesomer.Sounds like that leaves it to either Rochester or Tennessee.We aren't making a bid. ;)
factI find that fact debatable.It defaults to NY, seeing as we're awesomer.Sounds like that leaves it to either Rochester or Tennessee.We aren't making a bid. ;)
That being said, it's a weak argument of induction, not a fact.Since they do not have Type S there and they are jealous.
So I was driving home from work today and I started thinking about Nats, specifically whether I should reconsider putting in a bid for Florida. As I was deep in thought, a car suddenly cut me off on Route 192. Looking at the license plate, I noticed that they were from Tennessee. I continued driving and thinking, and then a minivan cuts in front of me, this time causing me to hit the brakes to avoid a collision. I was about to get mad, but then I noticed that he, too, had a TN license plate....Because otherwise you'd be run down by TN drivers? Believe me, NY drivers are even worse.
I mention this not to suggest that TN drivers are bad drivers, but rather that God was sending me a clear message to not put in a bid for FL, but instead to throw all of my support to TN. Clearly Nats will be in TN this year, based on divine revelation on Route 192.
So I was driving home from work today and I started thinking about Nats, specifically whether I should reconsider putting in a bid for Florida. As I was deep in thought, a car suddenly cut me off on Route 192. Looking at the license plate, I noticed that they were from Tennessee. I continued driving and thinking, and then a minivan cuts in front of me, this time causing me to hit the brakes to avoid a collision. I was about to get mad, but then I noticed that he, too, had a TN license plate....Because otherwise you'd be run down by TN drivers?
I mention this not to suggest that TN drivers are bad drivers, but rather that God was sending me a clear message to not put in a bid for FL, but instead to throw all of my support to TN. Clearly Nats will be in TN this year, based on divine revelation on Route 192.
I find that opinion debatable.
So I was driving home from work today and I started thinking about Nats, specifically whether I should reconsider putting in a bid for Florida. As I was deep in thought, a car suddenly cut me off on Route 192. Looking at the license plate, I noticed that they were from Tennessee. I continued driving and thinking, and then a minivan cuts in front of me, this time causing me to hit the brakes to avoid a collision. I was about to get mad, but then I noticed that he, too, had a TN license plate....Because otherwise you'd be run down by TN drivers? Believe me, NY drivers are even worse.
I mention this not to suggest that TN drivers are bad drivers, but rather that God was sending me a clear message to not put in a bid for FL, but instead to throw all of my support to TN. Clearly Nats will be in TN this year, based on divine revelation on Route 192.
If TN doesn't work, I think Rochester is the best choice. Randall will be supplemented by two experienced tournament hosts, and I've seen his bid - Rochester, with an international airport and a relatively small population, would be perfect for how travel at Natz always ends up.Not to mention I've got an excellent postcount. That's a qualification, right?
I'd say go KY before NY. Mainly because, though it's been awhile since NY has had a nats, Boston just had one there. I also wouldn't mind Texas...there hasn't been something southern for years.I've been to Mark's place multiple times...there are logistical problems that must be overcame in KY.
So all this being said, unless the places are just far too costly for me to rent out (which is a possibility considering I unload trucks and my wife subs), I plan on having Nats in Knoxville!If that happens, let me know. I know it'll be much cheaper for me to go to Nats in Knoxville, and so I might be able to help with some of the difference.
Since my name is being thrown around let me clarify!Congratulations! Just don't sweat it too much if you can't afford it (if you know what I mean).
I'm currently contacting several churches and other large places finding out if we can use them and what the cost would be. I have a place targeted but if I can find another one with comparable luxuries but cheaper I will be going for that one. If I do host it will have to be the 2nd weekend of August since I will be at a wedding during the first weekend. (In FL, oh the irony)
So all this being said, unless the places are just far too costly for me to rent out (which is a possibility considering I unload trucks and my wife subs), I plan on having Nats in Knoxville!
or if either host is up for it:I also really appreciate being considered for this even as a backup plan. I would LOVE to host a Nats someday, and really a lot of things are ideal here. Being a boarding school, we actually have dorm rooms that people could stay in getting rid of the need for hotels. We have a big new Gym that would be great for the actual tournament, and several smaller classrooms in the same building that would be great for trading/hang out rooms. We have a dining room that could take care of food for people, and several fast food choices about 10 mins away for people who didn't want to eat on location.
Jackson, KY (Mark)
or if either host is up for it:I also really appreciate being considered for this even as a backup plan. I would LOVE to host a Nats someday, and really a lot of things are ideal here. Being a boarding school, we actually have dorm rooms that people could stay in getting rid of the need for hotels. We have a big new Gym that would be great for the actual tournament, and several smaller classrooms in the same building that would be great for trading/hang out rooms. We have a dining room that could take care of food for people, and several fast food choices about 10 mins away for people who didn't want to eat on location.
Jackson, KY (Mark)
Really the only downside would be the distance from an airport. However, it is that very downside that has kept me from putting in a bid in the past. Perhaps I will look into things a bit more and reconsider.
...as well as transport options to/from.or if either host is up for it:I also really appreciate being considered for this even as a backup plan. I would LOVE to host a Nats someday, and really a lot of things are ideal here. Being a boarding school, we actually have dorm rooms that people could stay in getting rid of the need for hotels. We have a big new Gym that would be great for the actual tournament, and several smaller classrooms in the same building that would be great for trading/hang out rooms. We have a dining room that could take care of food for people, and several fast food choices about 10 mins away for people who didn't want to eat on location.
Jackson, KY (Mark)
Really the only downside would be the distance from an airport. However, it is that very downside that has kept me from putting in a bid in the past. Perhaps I will look into things a bit more and reconsider.
The New York bid is at a college so we also have all of these things as far as I know ;D Randall would be the one to ask to confirm. We are also about 20 minutes from Rochester International (I think?) Airport
...as well as transport options to/from.or if either host is up for it:I also really appreciate being considered for this even as a backup plan. I would LOVE to host a Nats someday, and really a lot of things are ideal here. Being a boarding school, we actually have dorm rooms that people could stay in getting rid of the need for hotels. We have a big new Gym that would be great for the actual tournament, and several smaller classrooms in the same building that would be great for trading/hang out rooms. We have a dining room that could take care of food for people, and several fast food choices about 10 mins away for people who didn't want to eat on location.
Jackson, KY (Mark)
Really the only downside would be the distance from an airport. However, it is that very downside that has kept me from putting in a bid in the past. Perhaps I will look into things a bit more and reconsider.
The New York bid is at a college so we also have all of these things as far as I know ;D Randall would be the one to ask to confirm. We are also about 20 minutes from Rochester International (I think?) Airport
or if either host is up for it:I also really appreciate being considered for this even as a backup plan. I would LOVE to host a Nats someday, and really a lot of things are ideal here. Being a boarding school, we actually have dorm rooms that people could stay in getting rid of the need for hotels. We have a big new Gym that would be great for the actual tournament, and several smaller classrooms in the same building that would be great for trading/hang out rooms. We have a dining room that could take care of food for people, and several fast food choices about 10 mins away for people who didn't want to eat on location.
Jackson, KY (Mark)
Really the only downside would be the distance from an airport. However, it is that very downside that has kept me from putting in a bid in the past. Perhaps I will look into things a bit more and reconsider.
The New York bid is at a college so we also have all of these things as far as I know ;D Randall would be the one to ask to confirm. We are also about 20 minutes from Rochester International (I think?) Airport
You would be hard pressed to find a more accomodating place or group of people than the players in our TX/Arkansas playgroup.I've been saying for years that TX would be a great place for a Nats some year. Dallas is due :)
Terry Markoff (not a very good player but a fantastic host)
You would be hard pressed to find a more accomodating place or group of people than the players in our TX/Arkansas playgroup.I've been saying for years that TX would be a great place for a Nats some year. Dallas is due :)
Terry Markoff (not a very good player but a fantastic host)
Assuming that 2012 is in TN, and that 2013 is back up North (Rochester, NY?), then I think Dallas would be a front-runner for 2014.
These are totally just my personal guesses and have NOTHING to do with my elder status. I know NOTHING. This is NOT a spoiler.
Assuming that 2012 is in TN, and that 2013 is back up North (Rochester, NY?), then I think Dallas would be a front-runner for 2014, with it returning to MN/IA/WI area in 2015FTFY
HE TRIED WAY TO HARD TO SAY HE KNOWS NOTHING!!! HE KNOWS!!!!!11!!one!I just wanted to make sure the no one was misled. I know that people like to dig for leaks around here :)
Assuming that 2012 is in TN, and that 2013 is back up North (Rochester, NY?), then I think Dallas would be a front-runner for 2014, with it returning to MN/IA/WI area in 2015Well if we want to go out far enough...
FTFYAssuming that 2012 is in TN, and that 2013 is back up North (Rochester, NY?), then I think Dallas would be a front-runner for 2014, with it returning to MN/IA/WI area in 2015Well if we want to go out far enough...
2012 - TN
2013 - NY
2014 - TX
2015 - MN
2016 - FL
2017 - ??
2018 - KY (after they build the airport)
2156 - Lunar Base Alpha
2234 - New New York (Mars)
HE TRIED WAY TO HARD TO SAY HE KNOWS NOTHING!!! HE KNOWS!!!!!11!!one!I just wanted to make sure the no one was misled. I know that people like to dig for leaks around here :)Assuming that 2012 is in TN, and that 2013 is back up North (Rochester, NY?), then I think Dallas would be a front-runner for 2014, with it returning to MN/IA/WI area in 2015Well if we want to go out far enough...
2012 - TN
2013 - NY
2014 - TX
2015 - MN
2016 - FL
2017 - ??
2018 - KY (after they build the airport)
I may be the only one on the boards but I think it should be in Atlanta, GA.
There was actually a lot of talk for a GA nationals this year. I wonder what happened to all that.The GA guys and the TN guys are actually pretty tight, and go to each other's tourneys. I think the GA guys decided that they didn't really have a good venue for Nats, and therefore chose to go in with the TN guys to host it up there.
There was actually a lot of talk for a GA nationals this year. I wonder what happened to all that.The GA guys and the TN guys are actually pretty tight, and go to each other's tourneys. I think the GA guys decided that they didn't really have a good venue for Nats, and therefore chose to go in with the TN guys to host it up there.
(My final post. It's been good, I'm hardly known, but unless I'm allowed to make a new account, this is the last you'll hear from me! Post-wise anyway...)Does this mean you are leaving the game? I don't know you, but I'm always sad to see someone leave.
(My final post. It's been good, I'm hardly known, but unless I'm allowed to make a new account, this is the last you'll hear from me! Post-wise anyway...)Btw, if you want to keep your post-count at 777, you'll need to check back once in a while to make sure that it hasn't changed. Occasionally an old thread will get deleted, and it can drop people's post counts by a few. Notably, one forum member left after post 6666, and then returned a long time later to make a few more posts to get their number back again.
Lewis XVI and Clark XV are hand delivering the bid from the Northwest territory. Sacagawea XVII just delivered a message that the expedition is somewhere in the Snake River valley. As long as P-Phil cooperates, the bid should arrive in time.
(My final post. It's been good, I'm hardly known, but unless I'm allowed to make a new account, this is the last you'll hear from me! Post-wise anyway...)Btw, if you want to keep your post-count at 777, you'll need to check back once in a while to make sure that it hasn't changed. Occasionally an old thread will get deleted, and it can drop people's post counts by a few. Notably, one forum member left after post 6666, and then returned a long time later to make a few more posts to get their number back again.
Not everyone will be staying in a hotel, I'm assuming that the TEN location was planning on providing at least some form of lodging but that lodging doesn't have showers.
Not everyone will be staying in a hotel, I'm assuming that the TEN location was planning on providing at least some form of lodging but that lodging doesn't have showers.
But if the "lodging" doesn't have showers, couldn't we use private residence showers? I'm sure the guys in TN were just trying to provide free (or really cheap) lodging. Not all churches in the country are big enough to have showers.
I'm assuming if you put in a bid for disney you could also make a deal to use some of their abundant lodging, which does have public showers, problem solved.
If showers determine the location of nationals I will be quite angry seeing as people could pay for a flippin hotel.
not everyone can afford to pay for lodging after paying to get to TN and paying for the tournament itself. So if you want people to show up, an alternate form of lodging ca be provided.I'm assuming if you put in a bid for disney you could also make a deal to use some of their abundant lodging, which does have public showers, problem solved.
And, likewise, people could pay for lodging in TN, which have showers. Problem solved.
not everyone can afford to pay for lodging after paying to get to TN and paying for the tournament itself. So if you want people to show up, an alternate form of lodging ca be provided.
At Kansas City Nationals there was no option to stay at the church so I see no reason why they couldn't do the same thing in Tennessee. Either ways its okay cuz BO and Turtle go well together.
At Kansas City Nationals there was no option to stay at the church so I see no reason why they couldn't do the same thing in Tennessee. Either ways its okay cuz BO and Turtle go well together.I'm also going to chime in that that was the second largest nationals of ALL TIME. And no one could stay at the church.
So then it's not about showers, but the extra cost of people travelling to have to stay in a hotel instead of get a free ride in the church. Why didn't you say that in the first place?
If showers determine the location of nationals I will be quite angry seeing as people could pay for a flippin hotel. Or they could set up a portable alternititve. Other CCGs' national tournament locations aren't determined by showers.
If showers determine the location of nationals I will be quite angry seeing as people could pay for a flippin hotel. Or they could set up a portable alternititve. Other CCGs' national tournament locations aren't determined by showers.
I will boycott nationals if it's not in TN because of that. Let's look at past nationals.
I still hold that declining a location a very-much deserved nationals over lack of showers is absurd.
...and this is, after all, a competition for who is best equipped to host the tournament.
The two main supporters for showers in the church are also from NY. Besides, your showers seem to be taken care of with other peoples' tears, so you have nothing to worry about.
This current debate seems to be more about NY arrogance than TN showers. Just because the NY group is the most prevalent on the Message Boards lately does not mean they deserve Nats. The Tournament Host Guide says that Cactus tries to spread the location of Nats throughout the country. A second Nats in the Northeast in three years does not meet that criteria....and this is, after all, a competition for who is best equipped to host the tournament.
This is where you are misguided. This is not a competition, otherwise MN would win every year. They have mattresses in the church for crying out loud.
Nats should be about keeping the game alive all across the country, not just in NY and MN. If Nats is never anywhere near entire regions of the country, then Redemption will systematically die in those regions.
The two main supporters for showers in the church are also from NY. Besides, your showers seem to be taken care of with other peoples' tears, so you have nothing to worry about.
This current debate seems to be more about NY arrogance than TN showers. Just because the NY group is the most prevalent on the Message Boards lately does not mean they deserve Nats. The Tournament Host Guide says that Cactus tries to spread the location of Nats throughout the country. A second Nats in the Northeast in three years does not meet that criteria.
Nats should be about keeping the game alive all across the country, not just in NY and MN. If Nats is never anywhere near entire regions of the country, then Redemption will systematically die in those regions.
This current debate seems to be more about NY arrogance than TN showers.
I'm gonna say that I wasn't responding to chronic because otherwise I'd not respond kindly...
1) Chronic is from PA, not NY.
2) I actually was going to comment on Chronic's repeatedly stating this, as it seems rude and uncalled for, but since Red wasn't responding I was assuming it's an inside joke. The replies do not represent the views of anyone but Chronic.
3) I wasn't aware that I was being arrogant for defending the potential decision of Rob Anderson, who knows better than any of us how nats needs to be planned. I can only hope you aren't letting your personal opinion of me reflect on NY's supposed "arrogance".
4) Me..Randall...occasionally Irish_Luck and Katedid. You're right we are totally the most prevelant we have 4 active members on a site with well over a thousand members.
5) Distant between Rochester NY - Boston MA302402 miles. Distance from Rochester MN to Nashville TN 760 miles. We may be in the same region as boston, but we aren't exactly close. You're putting more weight on region then on actual distance.
6) Rochester's bid is a college, complete with dorms, dining hall, a gym, soccer fields etc.
7) Gross exaggeration is hyperbolic.
I think I speak for the Texans when I say that we've never hosted Nats there. And most of us are too modest to say so, so I'll speak up for us and say that no, we are not arrogant, and yes, we do have showers (I have no idea what places you other people live in that don't have showers but I find that rather odd).
So come over and enjoy Nats at a place that, you'll be surprised to find, is not over populated with cowboys :D
I was indeed wrong. I thought you, CA and SomeKittens were all part of the same playgroup.
As the author of the NY bid, it never once mentioned TN or any other location. It simply listed the reasons why Rob should choose NY as the location for Nats 2012. I'm sure every other Nats bid does the same. Please keep this in mind in your future posts.3) I wasn't aware that I was being arrogant for defending the potential decision of Rob Anderson, who knows better than any of us how nats needs to be planned. I can only hope you aren't letting your personal opinion of me reflect on NY's supposed "arrogance".
This is where I will assume full responsibility for the misunderstanding, since SK and Kate had the same reponse. I meant that the idea NY was better because of showers, dorms, etc. seemed arrogant - kind of a "we have what they don't" approach. To me, that was an indictment of the less priviledged, which I termed as "arrogant." Perhaps "elitist" was more what I was thinking, but I'm sure that would have been met with the same rebuttal.
So, I apologize to New Yorkers in general, since I was referring only to the NY bid, not the people individually.
-We're not Rob. None of the discussion here will be taken into consideration for the bid.
As the author of the NY bid, it never once mentioned TN or any other location. It simply listed the reasons why Rob should choose NY as the location for Nats 2012. I'm sure every other Nats bid does the same. Please keep this in mind in your future posts.
If Rob is considering saying no to TN because of this I don't think what we say will change him mind.
There is an angle of this that no one has yet considered, Having several hundred people crammed in to a single location without means of sanitation for days can easily be considered a health hazard and get Nats shut down.
If Rob is considering saying no to TN because of this I don't think what we say will change him mind.
Call me naive, but I think it will.QuoteThere is an angle of this that no one has yet considered, Having several hundred people crammed in to a single location without means of sanitation for days can easily be considered a health hazard and get Nats shut down.
Not a chance. Enough people would want showers and stay in hotels, and even if not, four days with 200 people is nothing.
Heh. Just goes to show I'm not Rob.-We're not Rob. None of the discussion here will be taken into consideration for the bid.
Do you actually know this for a fact? I know that Rob actually listens to a lot of the member input when looking at Nats bids, even indirectly. I'm sure a bunch of people yelling that they'll boycott Nats if it's not at TN due to the shower issue won't go unheeded.
1) Chronic is from PA, not NY.1. I made this mistake as well. I tend to lump most people from the NE together, just like most people lump all minnesotans together, even though we aren't in the same playgroup.
4) Me..Randall...occasionally Irish_Luck and Katedid. You're right we are totally the most prevelant we have 4 active members on a site with well over a thousand members.
be in the same region as boston, but we aren't exactly close. You're putting more weight on region then on actual distance.
Actually, I will. I realize this won't (or shouldn't) change Rob's mind, but if that's the way he's going to choose, that's the way I'm going to choose. This also plays with the fact that I won't have much money in the upcoming years, but depending on locations, I would definitely make an effort every year (except CA) otherwise.I will boycott nationals if it's not in TN because of that. Let's look at past nationals.
No you won't, but nice try.
You really don't think a health organization would see 200 people sleeping in the same location with no showers for 3-4 days as a health issue? Even to me it sounds like a breeding ground for disease.
Health department doesn't do an investigation then shut you down, they shut you down then investigate. And even if they did wait until after Nats to do the investigation the tournament hosts and cactus could still get fined after the fact.
i think you're underestimating it. have you seen randall's suite? that's 10 guys and they can destroy that place in 2 days. Now multiply that out to 150+ people, take away their showers, and consider that they are all sharing a limited number of bathrooms and it could get ugly fast.
The two main supporters for showers in the church are also from NY. Besides, your showers seem to be taken care of with other peoples' tears, so you have nothing to worry about.
This current debate seems to be more about NY arrogance than TN showers. Just because the NY group is the most prevalent on the Message Boards lately does not mean they deserve Nats. The Tournament Host Guide says that Cactus tries to spread the location of Nats throughout the country. A second Nats in the Northeast in three years does not meet that criteria.
I'm not from New York, so if you're referring to me, please fact-check before making assumptions. TN is only three hours extra from me than Rochester is, and I have no problem with that (either one is a huge improvement over the one-way 24 hour drive MN was last year). Make no mistake, I'm completely and totally pulling for a Knoxville Nats this year, since I agree with everyone else that they deserve it the most, and as I mentioned, there's a small amount of extra travel time for me involved. Regardless of this "New York arrogance" you're talking about, the issue of showers is a big one. The fact of the matter is Rochester is an attractive location, and when it comes down to it, either location would have a large amount of people, and if one location can offer lodging without the need for hotels to shower and one can't, logistically, the location that can offer lodging without need for hotels should win. As you noted, however, logistics aren't the only issue, or MN would win every time; semantics are important as well.Nats should be about keeping the game alive all across the country, not just in NY and MN. If Nats is never anywhere near entire regions of the country, then Redemption will systematically die in those regions.
Which of course, explains whyFlorida andCalifornia doesn't have any active playgroups.
I think the last part was sarcastic, we're all aware that Florida least has a fairly large play group, a couple of them infact. He was disputing YMT saying that if a region doesn't get a Nats the play groups will die by sarcastically pointing out that those states have active playgroups despite not having had nats in their region in awhile
I think the last part was sarcastic, we're all aware that Florida least has a fairly large play group, a couple of them infact. He was disputing YMT saying that if a region doesn't get a Nats the play groups will die by sarcastically pointing out that those states have active playgroups despite not having had nats in their region in awhile
Well it was in bad taste and ill-timed.
If I were going to Nats and TN was not picked due to the showers, I wouldn't shower for 4 days prior as some sort of "strike" or "protest." (and I'd go the next 4 days without showering as well 8)
If I were going to Nats and TN was not picked due to the showers, I wouldn't shower for 4 days prior as some sort of "strike" or "protest." (and I'd go the next 4 days without showering as well 8)
In addition, support your local Salvation Army by buying some often-used, thread-bare clothes complete with fingertip-less gloves for the perfect ensemble. ;)
As for Nats in Rochester, PLEASE wait a couple more years. I just found out my daughter has decided to attend RIT in Rochester. In fact, I vote Nats in Rochester from 2013-2016. ;D
If I were going to Nats and TN was not picked due to the showers, I wouldn't shower for 4 days prior as some sort of "strike" or "protest." (and I'd go the next 4 days without showering as well 8)
In addition, support your local Salvation Army by buying some often-used, thread-bare clothes complete with fingertip-less gloves for the perfect ensemble. ;)
As for Nats in Rochester, PLEASE wait a couple more years. I just found out my daughter has decided to attend RIT in Rochester. In fact, I vote Nats in Rochester from 2013-2016. ;D
Will you allow her to attend knowing that this will put her on the same campus as I for 3 years? :laugh:
If I were going to Nats and TN was not picked due to the showers, I wouldn't shower for 4 days prior as some sort of "strike" or "protest." (and I'd go the next 4 days without showering as well 8)
In addition, support your local Salvation Army by buying some often-used, thread-bare clothes complete with fingertip-less gloves for the perfect ensemble. ;)
As for Nats in Rochester, PLEASE wait a couple more years. I just found out my daughter has decided to attend RIT in Rochester. In fact, I vote Nats in Rochester from 2013-2016. ;D
Will you allow her to attend knowing that this will put her on the same campus as I for 3 years? :laugh:
Absolutely! I already told you I was looking forward to meeting you one day. :) Do you know ASL? She will primarily be hanging out with the deaf and hard-of-hearing.
I am not sure why all this shower talk is going on for TN...Chris and I are taking care of everything.
I am not sure why all this shower talk is going on for TN...Chris and I are taking care of everything.
Glad this was brought up by a first hand source. I fully trust that if TN is the location, that there will be suitable accommodations for all.
Someone that I have kept updated about Nats location had a question for me that I thought I would pass along.....
"Why is there a big argument about showers? Everyone knows CCG players don't shower at tournaments. So what do CCG players need showers for?"
:rollin:
* deep breath *
:rollin:
As for Nats in Rochester, PLEASE wait a couple more years. I just found out my daughter has decided to attend RIT in Rochester. In fact, I vote Nats in Rochester from 2013-2016. ;DWe should be ready to take it in 2014.
As for Nats in Rochester, PLEASE wait a couple more years. I just found out my daughter has decided to attend RIT in Rochester. In fact, I vote Nats in Rochester from 2013-2016. ;DWe should be ready to take it in 2014.
Okay, okay, I'll stop with the Rochester jokes...
When did lp convert? ;)I am not sure why all this shower talk is going on for TN...Chris and I are taking care of everything.
Glad this was brought up by a first hand source. I fully trust that if TN is the location, that there will be suitable accommodations for all.
If not, just have daily baptisms down at the river. ;)
As for Nats in Rochester, PLEASE wait a couple more years. I just found out my daughter has decided to attend RIT in Rochester. In fact, I vote Nats in Rochester from 2013-2016. ;DWhy not Roberts? What's her major?
As for Nats in Rochester, PLEASE wait a couple more years. I just found out my daughter has decided to attend RIT in Rochester. In fact, I vote Nats in Rochester from 2013-2016. ;DWhy not Roberts? What's her major?
I think the last part was sarcastic, we're all aware that Florida least has a fairly large play group, a couple of them infact. He was disputing YMT saying that if a region doesn't get a Nats the play groups will die by sarcastically pointing out that those states have active playgroups despite not having had nats in their region in awhile
Well it was in bad taste and ill-timed.
I apologize if you took offense, but I'm not really sure why that would upset you at all. It's well-known that Florida has a few thriving playgroups, despite being relatively isolated from the rest of the Redemption community because they never make it to Nats, leading to an unorthodox meta in at least one of the playgroups. YMT is one of the most prominent members on the forum, and Knot a Blonde (along with yourself, apparently) both also tend to post a lot. I'm not sure why this is, but Florida players seem to jump to the defense of their state at the slightest provocation, and I've never figured out why that is. California has at least one large playgroup, and it includes the member that many people would call the foremost authority on Redemption (Bryon). So again, I apologize, but don't be so quick to needlessly defend FL in the future; nobody actually looks down on you guys at all.
How many locations have sent in bids?
Very true, although not as comfortable as it may seem... it gets the job done.
all this talk about no showers...simple solution....Baby wipes!
probably dozens but it's pretty much been narrowed down to 2-3 right now with Tennessee almost guaranteed to get it at this point.
There are never any guarantees until the official announcement, but even then it's not a guarantee if your last name is Favre. :o
Whoa! Where did you guys come from? I haven't heard from you guys in a while. You used to call me all the time for ruling help. Did you get to a point where you no longer need my help, or just realize that I have no idea what I am talking about? ;)
Our tournament attendance kept shrinking so we decided to stop hosting tournaments until interest built up...It's created a spark in all of us again, the mini road trip was well worth it.Ahhh, the downs and ups of leading a playgroup. I've been there too, and I'm glad to say that if you stick with it, things will come back around. I've missed seeing you guys on the forum for the last 6 months, and hope that this new spark will last and that we'll see much more of you in the next 6 months. Your heart for using this game for ministry is an inspiration, keep up the good work.
Our tournament attendance kept shrinking so we decided to stop hosting tournaments until interest built up...It's created a spark in all of us again, the mini road trip was well worth it.Ahhh, the downs and ups of leading a playgroup. I've been there too, and I'm glad to say that if you stick with it, things will come back around. I've missed seeing you guys on the forum for the last 6 months, and hope that this new spark will last and that we'll see much more of you in the next 6 months. Your heart for using this game for ministry is an inspiration, keep up the good work.
Our tournament attendance kept shrinking so we decided to stop hosting tournaments until interest built up...It's created a spark in all of us again, the mini road trip was well worth it.Ahhh, the downs and ups of leading a playgroup. I've been there too, and I'm glad to say that if you stick with it, things will come back around. I've missed seeing you guys on the forum for the last 6 months, and hope that this new spark will last and that we'll see much more of you in the next 6 months. Your heart for using this game for ministry is an inspiration, keep up the good work
It died down because I stopped playing so much. ::) And what do you know, I start playing again and interest picks up! It's a conspiracy I say! I might even be convinced to travel to Nationals... but it's too soon to tell.
At this Nats we should shave Gabe instead of Tim.But then he'll lose his power! We need him to trump RLKs so we don't have to.
So he will be like Sampson?At this Nats we should shave Gabe instead of Tim.But then he'll lose his power! We need him to trump RLKs so we don't have to.
Samson never had any power to begin with. At least, not the U/L one that seems to be all the rave these days.So he will be like Sampson?At this Nats we should shave Gabe instead of Tim.But then he'll lose his power! We need him to trump RLKs so we don't have to.
Samson never had any power to begin with. At least, not the U/L one that seems to be all the rave these days.So he will be like Sampson?At this Nats we should shave Gabe instead of Tim.But then he'll lose his power! We need him to trump RLKs so we don't have to.
Wait!?!? Are you saying Gabe has no super human powers that are derived from his hair? If so, what is that aura around him? Please don't say dandruff! ;DI'm saying comparing Gabe to Samson would be like comparing Marcus Mumford to Justin Bieber.
Wait!?!? Are you saying Gabe has no super human powers that are derived from his hair? If so, what is that aura around him? Please don't say dandruff! ;DI'm saying comparing Gabe to Samson would be like comparing Marcus Mumford to Justin Bieber.
Taking that analogy and running with it, Gabe is easily debatable as one of the best things that ever happened to Redemption, taking things to a whole new level. Marcus Mumford is easily debatable as one of the best things that music currently has.
Samson, despite being quite popular in Redemption, is a terrible terrible hero. Justin Bieber, despite being quite popular in music, is, well, a horrendous singer.
So..... Nats location is Gabe's house (literally and metaphorically)?
How many locations have sent in bids?
probably dozens but it's pretty much been narrowed down to 2-3 right now with Tennessee almost guaranteed to get it at this point.
How many locations have sent in bids?
probably dozens but it's pretty much been narrowed down to 2-3 right now with Tennessee almost guaranteed to get it at this point.
I hope it's tennessee. If so, I might actually be able to attend, making it my first official tournament!
He means both.How many locations have sent in bids?
probably dozens but it's pretty much been narrowed down to 2-3 right now with Tennessee almost guaranteed to get it at this point.
I hope it's tennessee. If so, I might actually be able to attend, making it my first official tournament!
Do you mean first nats, or first tournament?
He means both.How many locations have sent in bids?
probably dozens but it's pretty much been narrowed down to 2-3 right now with Tennessee almost guaranteed to get it at this point.
I hope it's tennessee. If so, I might actually be able to attend, making it my first official tournament!
Do you mean first nats, or first tournament?
When will they make the official announcement about nats?"Soon." Rob's pretty busy this time of year.
Whoa, Zardeck's an admin now?
Whoa, Zardeck's an admin now?
Whoa, Zardeck's an admin now?
He's more than deserving. :)