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« on: May 12, 2010, 09:36:11 PM »
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If God can do and make anything, can he make a rock so big he can't lift it?
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Re: God
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2010, 09:41:42 PM »
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This question does not accomplish anything other than idle chatter that doesn't matter.
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2010, 09:42:51 PM »
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If God can do and make anything, can he make a rock so big he can't lift it?

That question begs other questions, but assuming it has an answer, I would say no.  God can do anything logically possible.  God cannot make 2 + 2 = 5 because 2 + 2 = 4 is true and God is Truth.  Saying God can't make 2 + 2 = 5 or make circular squares is like saying God cannot blah blah asdk;lfjasdfkjaskjdf blah blah.  The illogical part is meaningless, and therefore you aren't "shorting" God's power by saying He can't do something like that; you actually aren't saying anything at all.
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Re: God
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2010, 09:43:31 PM »
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This question does not accomplish anything other than idle chatter that doesn't matter.

I agree, this is the most important thing to keep in mind.   :)  It's not worth thinking about
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2010, 09:46:20 PM »
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If God can do and make anything, can he make a rock so big he can't lift it?
no. besides agreeing with Sean, I agree with hartz.

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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2010, 09:58:13 PM »
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If God can do and make anything, can he make a rock so big he can't lift it?
You're asking if God CAN-NOT do something, which cancels itself.

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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2010, 10:05:03 PM »
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If God can do and make anything, can he make a rock so big he can't lift it?
You're asking if God CAN-NOT do something, which cancels itself.

I wouldn't say that saying God cannot do something cancels itself out.  I can do something God can't - I can commit sins.  But God wouldn't be God if His nature wasn't perfect and therefore He could "choose" to sin.  I would say that God being unable to do something like sinning actually speaks TO His power, not a lack of it.
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Re: God
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2010, 10:10:43 PM »
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God cannot do something that is against His nature.

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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2010, 10:12:44 PM »
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God cannot do something that is against His nature.

Exactly. 
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Re: God
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2010, 10:19:47 PM »
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To the OP:God cannot make a rock that big his power is limitless he could make a rock the size of infinte earths and lift it. also I agree with the other posters.
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2010, 10:28:46 PM »
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This question does not accomplish anything other than idle chatter that doesn't matter.
I actually find philosophical arguments quite stimulating. I love to get my brain going on God-related things, and I find it often leads to spiritual growth for me.

As to the actual question, I think God theoretically could do a lot of things that we will never see him do, such as create an obstacle he could not overcome, or perhaps destroy himself. However, he would not do such a thing, because it conflicts with his very essence.

I agree with Mr. Hartzler as well.
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Re: God
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2010, 10:36:51 PM »
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In geology, rock is a naturally occurring solid aggregate of minerals and/or mineraloids. (via Wikipedia)

Thus, a rock cannot be made.

However, he would not do such a thing, because it conflicts with his very essence.

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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2010, 10:37:55 PM »
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In geology, rock is a naturally occurring solid aggregate of minerals and/or mineraloids. (via Wikipedia)

Thus, a rock cannot be made.

However, he would not do such a thing, because it conflicts with his very essence.

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Umm....God made rocks.  :police:

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Re: God
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2010, 10:54:25 PM »
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God created land.  Erosion.  Rock.

If it was made by someone, it ceases to be a rock.  It is now a stone.
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2010, 11:06:45 PM »
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God created land.  Erosion.  Rock.

im pretty sure drb said that?
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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2010, 11:13:22 PM »
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As in, it was land.  When that land eroded, it BECAME a rock.  It was never a rock before that.
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2010, 10:15:15 AM »
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Well, I like sitting back and watching these arguments evolve.
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Re: God
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2010, 10:56:06 AM »
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I can do something God can't - I can commit sins.
God CAN sin.  Because of God's nature, he always chooses NOT to sin.

God CAN make a rock so big that it can't be picked up.  And then God could pick it up.

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« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2010, 11:03:18 AM »
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I can do something God can't - I can commit sins.
God CAN sin.  Because of God's nature, he always chooses NOT to sin.

God CAN make a rock so big that it can't be picked up.  And then God could pick it up.
But, I said so big that he couldn't
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« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2010, 11:16:15 AM »
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God can do anything but he would always be able to pick up a rock! No matter how big he makes it even if its infinity times Jupiter!
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Re: God
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2010, 11:22:44 AM »
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God CAN sin.  Because of God's nature, he always chooses NOT to sin.


God is perfect and Devine and he cannot do the oppsite of His perfecton which is sin. If God could sin he would not be God and thus God CANNOT sin my good professer. Also I do agree with the last part of your post.
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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2010, 11:25:13 AM »
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God CAN sin.  Because of God's nature, he always chooses NOT to sin.


God is perfect and Devine and he cannot do the oppsite of His perfecton which is sin. If God could sin he would not be God and thus God CANNOT sin my good professer. Also I do agree with the last part of your post.
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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2010, 11:26:58 AM »
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Where does this doctine come from?   NOWHERE in the bible does it say God could sin.
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2010, 11:29:11 AM »
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God is perfect and Devine
I thought God's name was Yahweh...
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« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2010, 11:30:57 AM »
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It is but most people know God as God. Not Yahweh.(I prefer Elohim)
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