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Nothing New Under the Sun
« on: July 23, 2010, 03:42:18 PM »
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Purple Territory Class Enhancement

Place in the territory of your choice.  Protect all cards in ALL territories from being shuffled.


"That which has been is that which will be, and that which has been done is that which will be done.  So, there is nothing new under the sun."

Eccles.1:9


Something tells me this would be popular for Type 2 right now :)
« Last Edit: July 23, 2010, 04:34:26 PM by stefferweffer »

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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2010, 03:45:37 PM »
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Purple Territory Class Enhancement

Protect all cards in all territories from being shuffled.


"That which has been is that which will be, and that which has been done is that which will be done.  So, there is nothing new under the sun."

Eccles.1:9


Something tells me this would be popular for Type 2 right now :)
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2010, 04:26:06 PM »
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I would use a card like this in a Magicians and/or demons deck to make it harder for my opponant to mess up my deck, if only it were the right brigade.

Does it place or is it just for the phase?
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2010, 04:37:22 PM »
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I modified the description.  It gets placed, like other territory class enhancements.

I chose Purple because 1)  The author of Ecclesiates was a son of David and king in Jerusalem, and 2)  Because Purple needs a boost in my opinion anyway.

But I also thought of Gray Evil, in the sense that the authro's frustration at that point is "under the sun", only thinking about life her on earth rather than spiritual matters.

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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2010, 04:50:13 PM »
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The color makes sense, and I would like a card something like this to come out, because when you are running deck manipulation its a real pain if your opponent can just captured ark you to not only get rid of an artifact but mess up your deck.

Its a good card, I like it, it also hurts the prophets a little (who are very powerful right now)
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2010, 10:53:05 PM »
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Purple Territory Class Enhancement

Place in the territory of your choice.  Protect all cards in ALL territories from being shuffled.


"That which has been is that which will be, and that which has been done is that which will be done.  So, there is nothing new under the sun."

Eccles.1:9


Something tells me this would be popular for Type 2 right now :)
This makes ANB sad.

Seriously though, shutting down a whole brigade (green) with one card is not cool. Maybe I'm over-reacting but I like to use david's music, blessings for ob, two bears, etc.
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2010, 11:31:56 PM »
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It only protects territory, so the Green shuffles still work as battle-winners.
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2010, 11:35:21 PM »
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Yeah, but you couldn't do awesome tricks with them like I did at NC regionals :)

Hidden Treasures+Miriam+Two Bears to shuffle in his king to deactivate Pharoah's Throne Room.
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2010, 11:39:34 PM »
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Yeah, but you couldn't do awesome tricks with them like I did at NC regionals :)

Hidden Treasures+Miriam+Two Bears to shuffle in his king to deactivate Pharoah's Throne Room.
Does that un-negate it since the fort wasn't interrupted?
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2010, 11:49:17 PM »
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The fortress is no longer negating since theres not a king.

We didn't really ask about it, but Gabe was at the table when I did it, and he didn't argue the play at all, even though I won with the play and he would have won on the next turn.
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2010, 11:51:10 PM »
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The fortress is no longer negating since theres not a king.

We didn't really ask about it, but Gabe was at the table when I did it, and he didn't argue the play at all, even though I won with the play and he would have won on the next turn.
To my knowledge you can't un-negate/undo an ability without an interrupt. If it works that is awesome but it just doesn't seem to sit well with me.
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2010, 08:57:27 AM »
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Purple Territory Class Enhancement

Place in the territory of your choice.  Protect all cards in ALL territories from being shuffled.


"That which has been is that which will be, and that which has been done is that which will be done.  So, there is nothing new under the sun."

Eccles.1:9


Something tells me this would be popular for Type 2 right now :)
This makes ANB sad.

Seriously though, shutting down a whole brigade (green) with one card is not cool. Maybe I'm over-reacting but I like to use david's music, blessings for ob, two bears, etc.
I looked through my card list, and I couldn't find many cards that protect from shuffling.  You are right that green relies on this a bunch, but if there is no way to stop it, then it needs a counter doesn't it?  (Thinking about Garden Tomb)

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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2010, 01:39:46 PM »
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The fortress is no longer negating since theres not a king.

We didn't really ask about it, but Gabe was at the table when I did it, and he didn't argue the play at all, even though I won with the play and he would have won on the next turn.
To my knowledge you can't un-negate/undo an ability without an interrupt. If it works that is awesome but it just doesn't seem to sit well with me.
The fortress said "While an Egyptian king or pharaoh is in play," so I didn't even bring it up when that happened. I shouldn't have played Mayhem in that game when I did, but either way, RDT (I mean GDS ;)) played that game very well.
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2010, 08:20:35 PM »
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As of now, its too op imo. Maybe if you had it as "until your next turn, protect all characters in territory from shuffling" This way, it will still stop the shuffling of your characters in your territory without having it shut down the shuffling tactic completely.

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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2010, 08:29:07 PM »
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I like it as is. I think the fact that it doesn't affect battle makes it balanced. Maybe I would reword it so that it protected only one player at a time, but other than that, I think it's pretty good.
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2010, 11:55:21 AM »
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What? Since when was Solomon backslidden when he wrote Ecclesiastes? That's an unfounded assertion. Why would a book written by a backslidden Jew have been recognized as scripture?

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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2010, 02:10:52 PM »
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What? Since when was Solomon backslidden when he wrote Ecclesiastes? That's a ridiculous assertion considering that it is canonical scripture- pretty sure that wouldn't be typical of literature written by a backslidden or pagan person.

Friend, you know what's more ridiculous?  Your ignorance which you're trying to put off as fact and is simply & plainly an opinion which is contrary to the Irrefutable Word of God.  Bro, this isn't some argument or debate which I'm not going to get into with you because its condemned by scripture; God is the God of the Bible - not the god of your assumptions, opinions or beliefs about the bible.

Same goes for you bro.

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The very first verse of the very first chapter in the Book says plainly, "The words of the preacher..." nothing like inspired by the Holy Spirit or called to be an apostle because there was no Holy Spirit and The Messiah hadn't come yet.

So because he didn't use the right opening, you assume he is backslidden? How exactly did it get into canonical Hebraic scripture then, if he was a backslidden Jew? Why would the Jews accept it?

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There's at least 10 things that prove he was backslidden.
1. his attitude
2. his reasonings, "under the sun"
3. his general dissatisfaction with life
4. what he gave his heart over to
5. his self-exaltation
6. being surprised that his wisdom still remained in him
7. his hatred of life
8. his selfishness
9. his wrong advice
10. he taught wrong doctrines

1. Opinion.
2. His reasonings are correct. Everything under the sun is meaningless. This world is a vapor of reality that we have been charged to uphold and protect. We have been called to witness to the world so that God's elect may be brought to salvation. However, Everything under the Sun, everything of world, is meaningless in the end.
3. His dissatisfaction with material life is not biblical? Interesting.
4. He is recalling his past, not describing his present.
5. It is wrong from him to say he is the wisest king or the richest ruler? Apparently statements of truth (especially when made in light of the meaninglessness of these things) don't belong in Scripture.
6. Most people are surprised that God does not forsake them in their sin. I don't see how this says anything.
7. You don't hate your life on the earth? You don't eternally yearn that you did not have to live this life, but rather have been made into perfection? Seems like a fine enough desire to me.
8. He always talks about his selfishness in light of how meaningless it was, so again, he is reflecting on his folly.
9. Proof?
10. Proof?

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Solomon was also quite the sinner.

So was Saul. You know, the guy who wrote about 60% of the New Testament?

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8 Sins of Solomon

1. Gave his heart to know madness & folly
2. Gave his heart to mirth & pleasure
3. Gave his heart to wine & drunkenness
4. Gave his heart to lay hold on folly
5. Set his heart on riches, treasures, singing and music
6. Give himself over to unbridled lusts & passions
7. Applied his heart to know the wickedness of folly & the foolishness of madness
8. Had bitter experiences with women

Go read 1 Kings 11 and tell me why did God raise up adversaries against Solomon? You read scripture in light of other scripture, in context of other scripture.

The fact that he was backslidden doesn't mean God can't use him.  Back in the O.T. God only anointed three offices, the King (and he was the anointed King), the Prophet and the Priest and Romans 11:29 says that God's gifts & callings are irrevocable.  If perfection was a prerequisite to ministry then we'd have no ministers, you might as well go to your church march right up to the pulpit and tell your pastor to go home because he's not qualified to preach; however, that's not the case. 

This entire point is irrelevant to the idea that Ecclesiastes is inspired Scripture. I agree with it. Cleary perfection is not required to serve. Clearly Solomon sinned. How does any of this make his writings that have been included in scripture non-inspired? Do you not accept Proverbs or Song of Solomon either?

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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2010, 02:36:52 PM »
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Ecclesiastes is one of my favorite books, but it's dense, dense, dense and requires a lot of knowledge to understand properly. Translating the word used most often in the book as "vanity" rather than "temporary" is one of the main reasons it's confusing to "at face-value only" Christians. Solomon is one of the most human characters in the Bible (like David) and looking at his body of work as a whole, it is safe to say he repented near the end of his life. But the fact remains that attributing Ecclesiastes to an apostate King is a result of lack of understanding.
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2010, 02:40:51 PM »
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Well vanity = emptiness which means in the end it doesn't matter.
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2010, 02:46:26 PM »
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But that's an improper understanding of what Solomon is talking about. The things of this earth do matter (God created it, after all, and said it was good), but they are also temporary compared with the eternal kingdom...which, interestingly enough, will be on a restored earth. The point of this book isn't to be defeatist about life, only to ridicule the amount of import people place on it while ignoring the eternal.
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2010, 02:58:25 PM »
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But that's an improper understanding of what Solomon is talking about. The things of this earth do matter (God created it, after all, and said it was good), but they are also temporary compared with the eternal kingdom...which, interestingly enough, will be on a restored earth. The point of this book isn't to be defeatist about life, only to ridicule the amount of import people place on it while ignoring the eternal.
Exactly, I phrased that poorly.
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2010, 05:20:42 PM »
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2010, 05:24:18 PM »
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delarosajon, there is no need for the cursing. i suggest you remove it before it gets reported and removed.
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2010, 05:26:42 PM »
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If this offends you, your problem is not with me, its with God's Word because I'm simply quoting scripture.
This is not accurate.  You have a lot of your own words and thoughts in there too, and some of them are insulting.  Some of them are curse words.  Regardless of the content of your message, the way you are communicating it is offensive.
Friend, you know what's more ridiculous?  Your ignorance which you're trying to put off as fact and is simply & plainly an opinion which is contrary to the Irrefutable Word of God.
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2010, 05:41:54 PM »
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If I'm remembering Ecclesiastes right, it sounds like a man who had everything but it didn't satisfy him, and I think that is the main point in the book.  He seemed to go through at the very least a "wilderness experience" where he wasn't close to God, and that, in combination with Foreign Wives caused him too fall.  He almost seems to be saying all of his Failures at happiness to try to tell others that there is a better way.  But I really can't remember anything specific about it so I could be very wrong
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