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Nimrod - 10/11 Blue/Red WC hero
"Once per turn, you may discard a Genesis enhancement or a good weapon from hand or battle to capture an evil character in a territory.  Good capture abilities cannot be negated by evil cards."
Genesis 10:9

He's in Genesis, so he's Blue, but from his description, he should be WC Red as well.  Besides, it would be cool to have heroes like this that "meld" themes together.  Maybe Baggage and Trapped in Cleverness would see play as well!  OP?  UP?

But who uses weps/gen enh in tgt?

But who uses weps/gen enh in tgt?

When did I say that? I was just implying that TGT has ruined the game and so I don't want to see it continue by allowing any more cards to be made.

Seriously though, I want to avoid any kind of territory destruction at all costs. I just don't like it...It's so cheap...

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on April 25, 2010, 09:22:42 PM

But who uses weps/gen enh in tgt?

When did I say that? I was just implying that TGT has ruined the game and so I don't want to see it continue by allowing any more cards to be made.

Seriously though, I want to avoid any kind of territory destruction at all costs. I just don't like it...It's so cheap...

Most protect forts protect from capture. 

Most protect forts protect from capture. 

Actually, Assyrian Camp, House of Rimmon, Temple of Dagon, and essentially Gates of Jerusalem are the only forts that would protect from this (unless you include KotW, from which characters are unable to block). Assyrian Camp is the only one of those forts that I have ever seen anyone play with in a serious game, and even that hardly ever.

Any card that does anything to an EC in play can be territory destruction with Jacob/ET/Hidden Treasures along with Paul or people in the right colors to band. So are you saying that no more cards should be made to do anything to EC's in play?

No, but I think Jacob/ET/Hidden Treasures should be nerfed. That solves the problem just as well, if not better.

That would be overkill. I think the only things that really need to be avoided are:

-More TC converts/captures/discarders (Meeting the Messiah is one of my favorite cards, but it can also be brutal)
-Cards that affect a lot of EC's for little to no cost ("He is Risen" and Two Bears, I'm looking at you.)
-More pre-block ignores, unless the cost/condition makes it hard to use without a complex strategy.

I agree that these things should be avoided, but when you say only...

Most other renditions of Nimrod have him as an EC, because of his ties to Assyria (See Micah 5:6) as well as the legend that he was the leader of building the tower of Babel, and was a Babylonian king. Interesting idea though.

I should point out that the reason I made him a hero is that the KJV says "he was a mighty hunter before the Lord".  NLT (what I personally read) says he was a "heroic warrior", and in my mind "heroic" and "evil" are mutually exclusive descriptions of actions.  (Not opposites, just subsets that have no overlap)

But after reading about how he built a kingdom up in both Babylon and Assyria... 

Nimrod - 10/11 Blue/Red WC hero
Genesis 10:9
"Search draw pile for a Babylon and/or Assyria site and put in play.  You may discard a Genesis enhancement or a good weapon to capture an evil character in a territory.  Good capture abilities cannot be negated by evil cards."

... one can be heroic and evil quite easily. Salahadin was a great Muslim hero of the third Crusade, but he would certainly not be a Hero if he were a Redemption card.

I think Mr. Hartz is just saying that it is rare to be called both heroic and evil from the same perspective.

After doing a bit of research (okay, Wikipedia) I learned that some people interpret the phrase "before the Lord" as "against the Lord". Legend also has it that he built the Tower of Babel so that there would be a place on earth where floodwaters could not reach, to spite any future attempt by God to wipe out humanity. So it seems that most people in the past have considered him to be evil, and there was never any evidence he did anything good. So I think he would make a more fitting EC.

All right, your logic is sound.  I'll make him an evil character.  Let's see...  Something original...  Oh I know.

Nimrod - 10/11 Crimson/Pale Green WC evil character
Identifiers - Assyrian, Babylonian
Ability - "May band to an Assyrian or a Babylonian.  You may discard a hero in a territory, but then discard Nimrod after battle."