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I totally agree with sepjazz seems overbearing especially since it can be used over and over


Faith ain't easy to understand 1 bird in the bush beats 2 in your hand

I'd put it as 'Remove this Card to Negate and Discard a Site or Fortress.' I think that would be better.

I disagree with a RFG cost.  Honestly, a discard cost is more than enough, since it would be restricted in deck construction as dual-colored, is not from a book that recurs its own enhancements, and if they do manage a recursion they could likely have something better anyway.

Discard would work better as a balance, while keeping the card useful, and would also be in-line with similar card abilities.

Discard wouldn't be nearly enough of a cost on a weapon with no targeting restrictions or alternatives for your opponent. Discard in and withdraw all Heroes from battle is a more appropriate cost.

...wut.

That is a...ridiculously high cost.  Here is a card already in use:

Razor - good (FF2)

Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Green • Ability: 2 / 1 • Class: None • Special Ability: If Isaiah or an Assyrian is in play, discard an opponent's character in battle, or negate and discard a single color Site, Artifact, or evil card in a territory.

Note that this card negates and discards those pesky evil fortresses and sites, and can also target an artifact or a character in battle (fun to have versatility).  And, oh right, you can play it off of HT and recur it infinitely.  Not to mention a certain someone makes it CBN.

Absolutely discard is an appropriate cost in fitting with the current cards out there, especially since there is not a specific recur to get it back.  Having you essentially have to lose a battle like you're suggesting is way overkill and has no precedent in the actual cards out there.

you have to get initiative to play an enhancement and recurring takes more cards while the axe enters battle over and over with out needing to be recurred

You have obviously never played an Isaiah deck when it's rolling

1. Place enhancement on deck with Isaiah.
2. Draw X (Isaiah angels)...it's in your hand, yay!
3. Play off of Hidden Treasures (CBN)
4. KABOOM!
5. Prophet.

And if you try to say it's hard to pull off...again, never played an Isaiah deck when it's rolling.  So many angels, Call and WWW search everyone out, and you just start blowing things up or playing the million other nasty things he has.

you still need initiative to play it and thats like 5 plus cards verses one that gets used over and over  so 1 card to do what it takes 5 plus to do is OP

False on the first.

Hidden Treasures (FF)

Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Once per turn, if your lone green brigade prophet begins a battle, you may play an Enhancement or discard an evil Enhancement in an opponent's deck.

And on needing 5 cards...again, you have never played against an Isaiah deck.  They search literally everything they need out.  Once one piece is in the place, the rest falls in place very quickly.

This card cannot be used over and over if you discard it.  There is not a recur for it.  I cannot understand the argument that discard is not enough, let alone RFG.

im not arguing that an isaiah deck cant do it im just saying it requires more then drawing a single card and if ur trying to make a 50-56 card deck using one to do what it takes several to do is very powerful . . IMO too powerful

Ok, seriously, how are you going to use it over and over without even more of a set-up?

Tell me how this card is more powerful if it gets discarded to do its effect just like an enhancement?  Please, I have no idea where you are coming from.

the card says dc to dc a curse not to negate and dc a fort though

Sorry, I was suggesting adding a discard to the ability to do that part too.

There would have to be a pretty extensive restrict to make this card balanced for offense.  Otherwise, I would suggest having it discard itself in order to do the discard.

I was countering others who said that it should be RFG or even more in order to do the ability.

This card cannot be used over and over if you discard it.  There is not a recur for it.  I cannot understand the argument that discard is not enough, let alone RFG.

A Soldier's Prayer, which is in 99.9% of all competitive Red decks.

How about Negate a single color site or evil fortress for remainder of battle. If used by a warrior class hero you may discard this card to discard a negated evil card.

It's similar but more useful and innovative. It also limits the effective use with prophets.

Isaiah+HT has a high cost too. You can't use Seraph, making the attack much less likely to succeed, and it costs your art slot, which is an insane cost for everything. Having a weapon that kills forts with basically no stipulation is way too good.

Just discarding itself is no cost. May as well make it territory-class.

It's more powerful because of it's functionality. You can stick it on any of your Heroes and get a free kill next time you attack, then do it again next turn with Soldier's Prayer. The only thing that comes remotely close to that level of power is Axe, and it doesn't work if your opponent has a Site.

I've explained to you why that's not the case. First of all, you're using it instead of whatever other Enhancement you could be using or Discarding an EE. It also requires you to eat up your Art slot. Finally, you have to forgo using an Angel to start the band. So there is no "cost," but there is a heavy cost in lost opportunity. And at the end of the day, Razor Discards itself too at the end of battle.

I'm not trying to get you to acknowledge why you're wrong, just laying out the reasons