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Amalekites
« on: April 02, 2012, 11:02:26 AM »
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Re: Amalekites
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 11:07:15 AM »
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Would Raiding Party do the set-aside during the block, as in it may not finish the block?  Could give a free rescue that way, but at least it's a 'may'.

Messenger is OP to the max.  It does not specify humans, so it can target any hero.  And it does not have the "territory" restriction most of these types of cards (see: Archers) have.  And the CBN status?  That means that no matter who comes at you, if they didn't band, you win.  Automatically.  Would become an instant staple in every deck.

Suggestions for Messenger:  Require another Amalekite to be in play.  Unless you have a good reason from scripture, make it target humans only.  Make it CBP, at the most, and CBI/CBN only by evil cards (to prevent a horses trick).  If you do that, the remove from game would possibly balance out the ability to target battle.

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Re: Amalekites
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2012, 11:21:17 AM »
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Fixed.


And updated.
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Re: Amalekites
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 12:19:06 PM »
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Messenger is still OP.  Auto-win characters should never have CBI in their ability.  Besides, all the guy did was come tell David that Saul was dead, and lied that he killed him because he thought that's what David wanted to hear, and then David killed the messenger because he confessed to killing the Lord's anointed one.  Why should this character get such a great ability?

Also, you need to word these cards as cost-benefit.  That way you can't use protect abilities to get out of a cost while still reaping the benefits.  For example, Amelekite Raiding Party has a costless conditionless discard of a fortress.  If Covenant with Abraham (lol) is active, he discards a fort, sets aside a hero (an opponent's, maybe even in the field of battle), and stays in battle, CBP.  And he works as a hero.  Better to have the set-aside part come first as a cost to receive the discard benefit.

Fall by the Sword, although a generic CBN battlewinner if used properly, I like.  It seems to fit the verse well.  And conditional CBN seems the way that Redemption is going right now.  I'd make it Brown/Black and usable by Canaanites as well, as they are mentioned in the verse.
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Re: Amalekites
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 04:04:08 PM »
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I actually like these except for Messenger (massively OP). Kill it with Fire would never be used unless it were TC, in which case it would be OP.
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

 


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